I'm not even going to point out the cases in which science has lied and results have been fabricated costing tens of thousands of people their lives and I'm not going to humor the though of trusting something just because a scientist said it, it's almost as bad as the people that trust everything they hear because a trusted religious figure said it. You're fine to feel the way you do, but here in the real world that you claim to live in, science is not a god. It is fallible, discoveries made today disprove discoveries made yesterday. You're just putting faith in another of the many fallible human creations, as the creation is as fallible as the Creator.
But this isn't about my religion or academic habits. I don't care what the hell you believe. If you want to trust only what your eyes see, then let it be so. But this same science has done nothing but prove that your eyes are not always truthful...
The truth is irrelevant. As is the past. What you believe is what you believe. ALSO, the crusades. Both have done equally horrible things. Science killed 100000 people? Christians blinded at least that. With fucking forks. DESIGNED TO BLIND PEOPLE, because apparently they couldn't do that fast enough with just one spike.
Yes but I'm open to the truth.
Whereas religious people are definitely not. This confirmed through the facts we now know today, and there are STILL people believing in this retarded fairytale.
Pretty sure that makes me a whole lot more wiser.
And please don't talk in tongues to me or pray for me, right now I am just sad for you.
Where the hell are these facts, and where were they when religious people like Albert Einstein were seeking truth beyond that which most anti-religous folks will ever discover in their lifetime?
You say thay you're open to the truth yet you so closed mindedly discard something that has influenced almost every facet of humanity since the dawn of it's existence, even influencing you as you sit. You're not open to the truth, you're open to what you think the truth should be.
There's little fundamental difference between you and the bible thumpers that will never admit the imperfections of.their sacred document. People that think that the truth should be as convenient as storing all of your faith and knowledge into one vested interest, rather than having to actually use their minds to study all possibilities, to entertain all thoughts and to seek the truth in every available facet.
But no, that's just too hard. It's against your morals, your delicate ego, to at least attempt to.comprehend what you don't agree with. I've told.this to many "religious" people too. Cling to your prejudice and your ignorance disguised as logic. If anyone here deserves pity, it's you.
Anyway, when you say 'humanity', quite obviously you understand that people themselves have only been around for 200 thousand years. Whereas the Earth has existed (with other life as well) for about 4 and a half billion years, plus our entire universe for about 13.7 billion years!
So it is a tad strange that I should open up a little more to this human god concept, when he seemed to have waited 13.5 Billion years to then allow only people into heaven!!!! Since they had to evolve first of course.
IF, you are just speaking of opening my mind to a 'god' that may exist, irrespective of the tiny amount of time humans have been here (obviously, I hope you agree in this rational thinking) Then he has made NO input, especially to humans, and done absolutely nothing (?) I find it very strange that I should open my mind up to something that has not done anything at all. Plus there are no (zero) evidence. Even the dinosaurs (living many more thousands of years earlier) didn't even create some type of symbol or anything in tribute to their god? Its awfully strange that 'people' who fear dieing etc, seem to be the only species that have brought up this god concept. Unless you feel its intelligence based? If so, then I'm with you on that one, we are slowly but surely finding the facts of the universe and where we came from. They even teach evolution as fact in school now (religion has been laughed out, I'm sure you must be saddened by this reality)
Do note the theory of gravity still does not have as much PROOF as the theory of evolution.
You do feel gravity is real I hope? Maybe you think god is weighing you down LOL
A realist (ie me) has merit in being in our world. Because we stop people from screaming in fear at made up fairytales. But please, what facts do you have about supernaturals? Because no one has EVER provided anything at all. Who knows, maybe you're right. VERY UNLIKELY.
Kids (teenagers on this forum) have this philosophy idea, that thankfully we all grow out of (well most anyway) Its a standard childlike point of view. Note there is no conspiracy or devil or god, its all just natural. Imagine that (I suspect you cannot).
Pretty funny how you neglect most of the points that I have made. Funny how people like you neglect that the advancements that they see all around them stem from the scientific discoveries of the religious. Look up the scientific contributions of the Isalimic world. Do you really think that one need close their minds to an entire study of academia to achieve scientific enlightenment? Are you truly that blind to history, do they teach history where you live, do you even know the the fuck the word means?
Have you so little knowledge of religion that you truly believe that all religion can be is the manifestation of the stupidity that is hard core, nutjob shitfaced Western religion? Have you any education at all, or do you live in a town in which the only religious people are waving fliers advertising their hatred of gay people?
Like a teenager yourself, sir, for someone who claims to be so enlightened, to be living in the real world in which ALL avenues of academia, from the religious, to the political to the pseudoscientific are worth reading about and learning in an attempt the discover the truth, which goes far beyond gravity and into a dimension of knowledge that we humans are just barely coming to understand, you, like a child who demands the same brand of simplicity that comes with picking one favorite color and hating all others, think that it is in any way permissible in the realm of knowledge and truth to discount possibilities of truth when science, your precious God that is science, has shown us that there is much more to the universe than the formulas and maps that we have today.
But as I said before, it is easy to predetermine "there is no value in studying this subject, therefore it can not possibly contain any sort of viable knowledge", just like how a high school student grumbles in class they they'll never use Algebra in the "real world", so they're wasting their time sitting there. And that's what children do, they go for what is easy to understand because their minds are not developed enough to comprehend that there is such a large number of knowledges and truths out there that one must not discount any study of academia as defunct. They go for this until they grow up, open a book, become educated, and realize that religion is much more than the painting on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, they open their minds because they are no longer children and on that note, I'd suggest you wake up too.
Knowledge is everywhere, and science has proven that the answers are too. To say that an entire facet of human culture is devoid of truth and knowledge and to reduce it to the stereotype that the simple minded love clinging to (much how idiotic Christians love the stereotype of the Darwin theory, that apes are literally our cousins), is to do yourself a great disservice. And for that, sir, you, and every other closed minded human being on this Earth, religious or other wise, deserves my pity, and the pity of the human race that is constantly being held back by such a mentality.
I'm happy to answer each individual point you make. But if you make too many points at the same time then I just go back to stating the facts. If you seriously want me to answer any one of your statements then maybe number them, we certainly wouldn't want to confuse an already confusing topic.
I am fully aware of history. Even my own parents were the president of the historical society where we grew up in a large city (pretty sure that's when I first realized I was atheist, born that way, like everyone else, and still the same today)
I'm not concerned of the excellent contributions that the Middle East (areas) have previously given our world. I am concerned of the 'religious' hypocrisy and the fact that since 'Islam' have now placed religion in their society fully, guess what, they are now the stupidest country in the world.
As for any other (hundreds if not thousands) years ago, great contributor to science (if they didn't get killed first) Of course they were religious minded. They had no idea back then, no proof, nothing.
We have come a long way since then. Evolution is not the best 'idea'. It is based on evidence, facts, history, research. We have fully confirmed (pretty sure its 99.9999999% confirmed now) that we all evolved, including the universe. This is common knowledge. Are you disregarding all these scientists research, discoveries and lifetime of work on the matter? We have seen galaxies evolve already. They come from gases circling around itself (gravity thing again) forming solids. Its all pretty much common sense when you think about it.
YES, I place all religious belief in one hat. Since they are ALL wrong. And before you stop reading here (since this is your point that I'm not open) Religion MUST be wrong, otherwise which one of the MILLIONS of religious beliefs (and the 50 or so big ones) is right? Not sure, but I'm swaying towards > NONE.
That's why I gave you some hope in hell, and mentioned maybe just a belief in god? No religion intended. No probs, and you base that upon????????? Just answer that one question, if you decide to reply. Do note, I'll reply seconds later with how there is NO information/proof/facts or anything EVER even the tiniest bit EVER related to there being a god. Except of course the LACK of evidence. BTW, that's ATHEIST.
I'm not going to make another long reply, because you seem to be stuck on the opinion that I am advocating that only religion should be looked to as a source of knowledge. I study and appreciate science, how did you turn my argument into "I don't appreciate science, if it isn't taught in the church then it isn't correct". I'm guessing you only have one favorite color.
And wow, your parents were historians!? Good for you! My Dad was a sailor, does that give me the same merit that his skills and abilities gained from 20 years of military service give him? No? Then I don't give a rat's ass what your parents did for a living.
And those religious minded people were of the old world, huh? Because my favorite example, Einstein, a man who was born of the same century we were born in, had absolutely no idea that there was any such thing as atheism. Because atheism is a new development in human history. Because Darwin's texts and theories were published yesterday.
All I'm saying, and you can reply if you want or not, I don't really care, is that every avenue of knowledge deserves looking into. There is such a vast quantity of knowledge and you just sit there and say that one one facet is worth any sort of merit. I'm not talking about just science, I am talking about knowledge in general to develop an understanding of the world and humanity in general.
And you're trying to imply that I am uneducated, funny because this
"That's why I gave you some hope in hell, and mentioned maybe just a belief in god? No religion intended. No probs, and you base that upon????????? Just answer that one question, if you decide to reply."
statement makes no damned sense in or outside of context. Or is it a question? Base what upon what? I want to answer you but if you're not going to be in the least bit coherent with me then it's not worth it.
I am not going to waste anymore time on this. I'm not going to continue trying to convince you that blue is not the only color in the rainbow, that the puzzle piece that you are looking at is not the only piece to said puzzle, that there IS a puzzle to begin with. If you only with to see the world through one lense, like the Christians that refuse anything but what is written in their religious document, then as I would say those Christians, I can't help you.
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I'm not even going to point out the cases in which science has lied and results have been fabricated costing tens of thousands of people their lives and I'm not going to humor the though of trusting something just because a scientist said it, it's almost as bad as the people that trust everything they hear because a trusted religious figure said it. You're fine to feel the way you do, but here in the real world that you claim to live in, science is not a god. It is fallible, discoveries made today disprove discoveries made yesterday. You're just putting faith in another of the many fallible human creations, as the creation is as fallible as the Creator.
But this isn't about my religion or academic habits. I don't care what the hell you believe. If you want to trust only what your eyes see, then let it be so. But this same science has done nothing but prove that your eyes are not always truthful...
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The truth is irrelevant. As is the past. What you believe is what you believe. ALSO, the crusades. Both have done equally horrible things. Science killed 100000 people? Christians blinded at least that. With fucking forks. DESIGNED TO BLIND PEOPLE, because apparently they couldn't do that fast enough with just one spike.
Yes but I'm open to the truth.
Whereas religious people are definitely not. This confirmed through the facts we now know today, and there are STILL people believing in this retarded fairytale.
Pretty sure that makes me a whole lot more wiser.
And please don't talk in tongues to me or pray for me, right now I am just sad for you.
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Where the hell are these facts, and where were they when religious people like Albert Einstein were seeking truth beyond that which most anti-religous folks will ever discover in their lifetime?
You say thay you're open to the truth yet you so closed mindedly discard something that has influenced almost every facet of humanity since the dawn of it's existence, even influencing you as you sit. You're not open to the truth, you're open to what you think the truth should be.
There's little fundamental difference between you and the bible thumpers that will never admit the imperfections of.their sacred document. People that think that the truth should be as convenient as storing all of your faith and knowledge into one vested interest, rather than having to actually use their minds to study all possibilities, to entertain all thoughts and to seek the truth in every available facet.
But no, that's just too hard. It's against your morals, your delicate ego, to at least attempt to.comprehend what you don't agree with. I've told.this to many "religious" people too. Cling to your prejudice and your ignorance disguised as logic. If anyone here deserves pity, it's you.
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Actually that's not a bad reply.
Anyway, when you say 'humanity', quite obviously you understand that people themselves have only been around for 200 thousand years. Whereas the Earth has existed (with other life as well) for about 4 and a half billion years, plus our entire universe for about 13.7 billion years!
So it is a tad strange that I should open up a little more to this human god concept, when he seemed to have waited 13.5 Billion years to then allow only people into heaven!!!! Since they had to evolve first of course.
IF, you are just speaking of opening my mind to a 'god' that may exist, irrespective of the tiny amount of time humans have been here (obviously, I hope you agree in this rational thinking) Then he has made NO input, especially to humans, and done absolutely nothing (?) I find it very strange that I should open my mind up to something that has not done anything at all. Plus there are no (zero) evidence. Even the dinosaurs (living many more thousands of years earlier) didn't even create some type of symbol or anything in tribute to their god? Its awfully strange that 'people' who fear dieing etc, seem to be the only species that have brought up this god concept. Unless you feel its intelligence based? If so, then I'm with you on that one, we are slowly but surely finding the facts of the universe and where we came from. They even teach evolution as fact in school now (religion has been laughed out, I'm sure you must be saddened by this reality)
Do note the theory of gravity still does not have as much PROOF as the theory of evolution.
You do feel gravity is real I hope? Maybe you think god is weighing you down LOL
A realist (ie me) has merit in being in our world. Because we stop people from screaming in fear at made up fairytales. But please, what facts do you have about supernaturals? Because no one has EVER provided anything at all. Who knows, maybe you're right. VERY UNLIKELY.
Kids (teenagers on this forum) have this philosophy idea, that thankfully we all grow out of (well most anyway) Its a standard childlike point of view. Note there is no conspiracy or devil or god, its all just natural. Imagine that (I suspect you cannot).
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Pretty funny how you neglect most of the points that I have made. Funny how people like you neglect that the advancements that they see all around them stem from the scientific discoveries of the religious. Look up the scientific contributions of the Isalimic world. Do you really think that one need close their minds to an entire study of academia to achieve scientific enlightenment? Are you truly that blind to history, do they teach history where you live, do you even know the the fuck the word means?
Have you so little knowledge of religion that you truly believe that all religion can be is the manifestation of the stupidity that is hard core, nutjob shitfaced Western religion? Have you any education at all, or do you live in a town in which the only religious people are waving fliers advertising their hatred of gay people?
Like a teenager yourself, sir, for someone who claims to be so enlightened, to be living in the real world in which ALL avenues of academia, from the religious, to the political to the pseudoscientific are worth reading about and learning in an attempt the discover the truth, which goes far beyond gravity and into a dimension of knowledge that we humans are just barely coming to understand, you, like a child who demands the same brand of simplicity that comes with picking one favorite color and hating all others, think that it is in any way permissible in the realm of knowledge and truth to discount possibilities of truth when science, your precious God that is science, has shown us that there is much more to the universe than the formulas and maps that we have today.
But as I said before, it is easy to predetermine "there is no value in studying this subject, therefore it can not possibly contain any sort of viable knowledge", just like how a high school student grumbles in class they they'll never use Algebra in the "real world", so they're wasting their time sitting there. And that's what children do, they go for what is easy to understand because their minds are not developed enough to comprehend that there is such a large number of knowledges and truths out there that one must not discount any study of academia as defunct. They go for this until they grow up, open a book, become educated, and realize that religion is much more than the painting on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, they open their minds because they are no longer children and on that note, I'd suggest you wake up too.
Knowledge is everywhere, and science has proven that the answers are too. To say that an entire facet of human culture is devoid of truth and knowledge and to reduce it to the stereotype that the simple minded love clinging to (much how idiotic Christians love the stereotype of the Darwin theory, that apes are literally our cousins), is to do yourself a great disservice. And for that, sir, you, and every other closed minded human being on this Earth, religious or other wise, deserves my pity, and the pity of the human race that is constantly being held back by such a mentality.
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I'm happy to answer each individual point you make. But if you make too many points at the same time then I just go back to stating the facts. If you seriously want me to answer any one of your statements then maybe number them, we certainly wouldn't want to confuse an already confusing topic.
I am fully aware of history. Even my own parents were the president of the historical society where we grew up in a large city (pretty sure that's when I first realized I was atheist, born that way, like everyone else, and still the same today)
I'm not concerned of the excellent contributions that the Middle East (areas) have previously given our world. I am concerned of the 'religious' hypocrisy and the fact that since 'Islam' have now placed religion in their society fully, guess what, they are now the stupidest country in the world.
As for any other (hundreds if not thousands) years ago, great contributor to science (if they didn't get killed first) Of course they were religious minded. They had no idea back then, no proof, nothing.
We have come a long way since then. Evolution is not the best 'idea'. It is based on evidence, facts, history, research. We have fully confirmed (pretty sure its 99.9999999% confirmed now) that we all evolved, including the universe. This is common knowledge. Are you disregarding all these scientists research, discoveries and lifetime of work on the matter? We have seen galaxies evolve already. They come from gases circling around itself (gravity thing again) forming solids. Its all pretty much common sense when you think about it.
YES, I place all religious belief in one hat. Since they are ALL wrong. And before you stop reading here (since this is your point that I'm not open) Religion MUST be wrong, otherwise which one of the MILLIONS of religious beliefs (and the 50 or so big ones) is right? Not sure, but I'm swaying towards > NONE.
That's why I gave you some hope in hell, and mentioned maybe just a belief in god? No religion intended. No probs, and you base that upon????????? Just answer that one question, if you decide to reply. Do note, I'll reply seconds later with how there is NO information/proof/facts or anything EVER even the tiniest bit EVER related to there being a god. Except of course the LACK of evidence. BTW, that's ATHEIST.
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I'm not going to make another long reply, because you seem to be stuck on the opinion that I am advocating that only religion should be looked to as a source of knowledge. I study and appreciate science, how did you turn my argument into "I don't appreciate science, if it isn't taught in the church then it isn't correct". I'm guessing you only have one favorite color.
And wow, your parents were historians!? Good for you! My Dad was a sailor, does that give me the same merit that his skills and abilities gained from 20 years of military service give him? No? Then I don't give a rat's ass what your parents did for a living.
And those religious minded people were of the old world, huh? Because my favorite example, Einstein, a man who was born of the same century we were born in, had absolutely no idea that there was any such thing as atheism. Because atheism is a new development in human history. Because Darwin's texts and theories were published yesterday.
All I'm saying, and you can reply if you want or not, I don't really care, is that every avenue of knowledge deserves looking into. There is such a vast quantity of knowledge and you just sit there and say that one one facet is worth any sort of merit. I'm not talking about just science, I am talking about knowledge in general to develop an understanding of the world and humanity in general.
And you're trying to imply that I am uneducated, funny because this
"That's why I gave you some hope in hell, and mentioned maybe just a belief in god? No religion intended. No probs, and you base that upon????????? Just answer that one question, if you decide to reply."
statement makes no damned sense in or outside of context. Or is it a question? Base what upon what? I want to answer you but if you're not going to be in the least bit coherent with me then it's not worth it.
I am not going to waste anymore time on this. I'm not going to continue trying to convince you that blue is not the only color in the rainbow, that the puzzle piece that you are looking at is not the only piece to said puzzle, that there IS a puzzle to begin with. If you only with to see the world through one lense, like the Christians that refuse anything but what is written in their religious document, then as I would say those Christians, I can't help you.
Well hell, I guess I did make a long reply.