I was thinking of the "trials by ordeal" where to prove someone innocent you subject them to something which will seriously harm them (if not kill them). If they are saved, then it is God's will and they are innocent. But if they die, they were guilty.
Everyone was subjected to this, babies included. A really horrible practice and not something that many people seem to know about these days.
"Everyone was subjected to this, babies included."
As horrible as that is, it wasn't done for fun and what I asked was: Can you, for example, tell me of a time or a culture in which it was NOT wrong to torture a baby to death FOR FUN?
So, I guess some morals (the bigger ones at least, such as torturing babies for fun) are timeless and limitless.
Still, the babies' suffering wouldn't have been any less unfortunately.
Well, yes, there was a bit of license involved there. "For fun" implies a load of people standing around grinning.
I could make the point about the psychological principle of all our actions ultimately being pleasure-seeking (even the ones which don't seem that way). It must be the case that there's some enjoyment in doing God's work even if the work is gristly. Maybe especially then. Although I think we've veered away from the track and I'm not religious so don't really feel qualified to say.
Talking about religion scientifically tends to annoy the religious in the same way that talking about science religiously offends the scientists.
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"Go back to medieval times and the church did indeed torture babies"
Could you please elaborate? Do you mean high-pregnant women being burnt at the stake for instance?
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I was thinking of the "trials by ordeal" where to prove someone innocent you subject them to something which will seriously harm them (if not kill them). If they are saved, then it is God's will and they are innocent. But if they die, they were guilty.
Everyone was subjected to this, babies included. A really horrible practice and not something that many people seem to know about these days.
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"Everyone was subjected to this, babies included."
As horrible as that is, it wasn't done for fun and what I asked was: Can you, for example, tell me of a time or a culture in which it was NOT wrong to torture a baby to death FOR FUN?
So, I guess some morals (the bigger ones at least, such as torturing babies for fun) are timeless and limitless.
Still, the babies' suffering wouldn't have been any less unfortunately.
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Well, yes, there was a bit of license involved there. "For fun" implies a load of people standing around grinning.
I could make the point about the psychological principle of all our actions ultimately being pleasure-seeking (even the ones which don't seem that way). It must be the case that there's some enjoyment in doing God's work even if the work is gristly. Maybe especially then. Although I think we've veered away from the track and I'm not religious so don't really feel qualified to say.
Talking about religion scientifically tends to annoy the religious in the same way that talking about science religiously offends the scientists.