I don't think you were being annoying. You were being honest and the result of your actions is making you think you need to be less open and honest. That's a shame.
I think people sometimes play games because they're afraid to be honest (this isn't you, by the way), and sometimes people play games because they're afraid to deal with honesty (this might be her). Either way, honesty gets replaced with games that nobody really wins. And what is the point of a game if nobody wins? That's worse than a game!
Stick with the honesty. Maybe just release it in small doses and see what comes back.
P.S. If the definition of "creeper" is someone who was honest, someone has got the definition wrong.
From personal experience, I think that has become the definition of a creep nowadays. Frankly I'm an honest guy and I've been called a creep several times, much to my dismay.
That's genuinely dismaying. I've seen your comments on the site and you seem intelligent, honest and well-meaning. Women do appreciate those qualities but many of them also seem to be turned off by eagerness.
From personal experience, they like to imagine you've come to a (very) slow realisation that she's the most wonderful woman who ever existed (even if you already knew that from the moment you met her and she took your breath away).
Honesty is wonderful in a long-term relationship, but to get that relationship sometimes you have to pretend to be less interested than you are. I know it seems odd to us men, but we seem odd to them too. I imagine there's all kinds of things they do to smooth the waters with us.
I hate saying this because it sounds like a game. Maybe a better way of looking at it is patience. Make the smallest possible indication that you're interested, even if it seems too small to notice. Just a second of eye contact, that kind of thing. If you've gone too small, be slightly bolder. There's no such thing as too small, though. Too little and she won't notice (so you can try again). Too much and you get a negative reaction that's difficult to recover from.
I wish it was as simple as noticing a girl, liking her, and just telling her the things you like about her. In the long-term, it is that simple and you can be honest (thank God). It just doesn't seem to work that way at first.
Wow that seems very complicated. However, I have to agree with pretty much everything you say, although I really wish that it was much simpler. In all honesty, I don't think that I would ever change the way I pursue women, I'm not really interested in anyone currently. I really would appreciate it if I met a girl who was different from what you've described, but I think that your generalization has to truth to it.
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I don't think you were being annoying. You were being honest and the result of your actions is making you think you need to be less open and honest. That's a shame.
I think people sometimes play games because they're afraid to be honest (this isn't you, by the way), and sometimes people play games because they're afraid to deal with honesty (this might be her). Either way, honesty gets replaced with games that nobody really wins. And what is the point of a game if nobody wins? That's worse than a game!
Stick with the honesty. Maybe just release it in small doses and see what comes back.
P.S. If the definition of "creeper" is someone who was honest, someone has got the definition wrong.
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Yup, creeper is 13-18th century romance from afar, from an old dude to a 13 year old girl. Everything now is fairly mundane.
From personal experience, I think that has become the definition of a creep nowadays. Frankly I'm an honest guy and I've been called a creep several times, much to my dismay.
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That's genuinely dismaying. I've seen your comments on the site and you seem intelligent, honest and well-meaning. Women do appreciate those qualities but many of them also seem to be turned off by eagerness.
From personal experience, they like to imagine you've come to a (very) slow realisation that she's the most wonderful woman who ever existed (even if you already knew that from the moment you met her and she took your breath away).
Honesty is wonderful in a long-term relationship, but to get that relationship sometimes you have to pretend to be less interested than you are. I know it seems odd to us men, but we seem odd to them too. I imagine there's all kinds of things they do to smooth the waters with us.
I hate saying this because it sounds like a game. Maybe a better way of looking at it is patience. Make the smallest possible indication that you're interested, even if it seems too small to notice. Just a second of eye contact, that kind of thing. If you've gone too small, be slightly bolder. There's no such thing as too small, though. Too little and she won't notice (so you can try again). Too much and you get a negative reaction that's difficult to recover from.
I wish it was as simple as noticing a girl, liking her, and just telling her the things you like about her. In the long-term, it is that simple and you can be honest (thank God). It just doesn't seem to work that way at first.
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Wow that seems very complicated. However, I have to agree with pretty much everything you say, although I really wish that it was much simpler. In all honesty, I don't think that I would ever change the way I pursue women, I'm not really interested in anyone currently. I really would appreciate it if I met a girl who was different from what you've described, but I think that your generalization has to truth to it.