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It makes sense for him to say that since he obviously cares more about corporations' money than people's lives.
Peoples lives are tied to the economy. 7 million people died during the great depression. If a corporation has 30,000 employees they need to keep them paid. If none of the employees can work since it's a pandemic the company is in a MASSIVE net loss so they need to ditch those employees so the entire company doesnt die.
Hes caring about the corporations because without those corporations half of america would be unemployed! He also wants to make sure that small businesses wont die because they are taking the largest hit in all of this because they dont have the emergency reserves that the big companies have.
Theres only two ways to solve this. Either pump a METRIC SHIT TON of money into them or allow them to reopen and function normally. The economy is not designed to be stagnant for this long or at all!
It's almost like half of america working for huge corporations is a problem, hmmm...
The average joe needs to work and let's be honest large companies beat out small buisness most of the time. They can handle if the goverment institute's a 15$ minimum wage. The average small buisness? Hell no.
Because the entire system has been shifted to keep people dependent on these corporations vs being self sufficient and taking care of themselves
Yeah but he's personally the owner of multi-million dollar corporations so you can't trust that he's doing this for any other reason than personal greed, he's worried about his own profits. Otherwise he wouldn't be so hasty to reopen everything.
Well said, Lloyd, I completely agree.
It is too early to make that decision. He is just trying to keep people calm.
Yeah, I feel like he's trying to stay positive, and upbeat.
Agreed. He shouldn’t have put a number on it, though. I agree that there is some middle ground that has to be reached. We can’t shut the country down for a year or more, but we can’t look 300 million people in the eye and tell them we’ll have to sacrifice hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of lives for economic purposes. I like the upbeat attitude, especially with so much negativity on the news. “soon” is ok. Putting a date on it is not.
I wouldn't go that far. He is freaked out, and it shows. He is so out of his comfort zone. The problem is that he has divided this country so much that now when we need to all be together, he has no clue how to do that.
Who isn't freaked out? Honestly, the whole world is on lockdown, and I rather suspect that the majority of people are freaked out. I wouldn't want to trade places with the President, the Pope, the Queen of England, or anyone in any significantly great position of power. It's hard enough just being an average person in this time of pandemic, and quarantine on this planet.
We can all come together in prayer, online, and telephonicly. We're social animals, this situation is surreal, torturous for many, and it's even quite Kafkaesque. The Trial comes to my mind in these days.
Do you know what I notice? The kindness. Not on social media, that is as bad as ever. But every single person I passed today waved and smiled. One neighbor checked my sanity levels. And the birds are louder than ever. It's actually pretty nice out there. I am so glad I moved when I did.
I won't be joining anyone in prayer bit I respect other's need to do so. I think facetime and other video chat apps are crucial right now. Social media will totally get us through this isolation.
Seems he got his wish for dividing people.
Trump's not a medical professional and knows jack about Coronavirus, just like the rest of us.
Trump being who he is, my money is on him doing what always does, disregarding the advice of experts and going with his gut feeling.
He knows fuck-all about epidemiology, but that doesn't matter to him. He's convinced that he knows far more than he does and that he has a superpower to always make the right decision based on his feelings. So far he's more or less got away with it, so of course he'll keep pushing his luck. That's just how people like him roll.
Unfortunately for the American public, they're the ones who will pay if he succumbs yet again to his delusions.
I currently live in the UK and I previously lived in Italy. What's happening there - and what's in the process of happening in the UK - is not a hoax or a joke, and any American who believes the USA has been given some mystical immunity or this is all just going to blow over or burn-out in a couple of weeks is deluding themselves.
It is good thinking, bad economy will kill ten times the people coronavirus will.
Trump is a moron.
The question is.... Is shutting down all the businesses and activities causing more problems than the virus itself.
I don't know the answer. However, I suspect that the answer is yes. My wife works in a hospital and they have seen the largest spike of failed suicide attempts in their history. How many people are successful at it... All as a result of their loosing their income or some other thing due to the shutdown.
Reports are also that domestic abuse calls are at a all time high. People could tolerate each other better when they had space and adequate income.
Within the USA the shutdown has caused trillions of $ of economic damage - and likely will result in at least an ecomonic repression if not a full scale depression.
That affects people's lives too... (and not in a good way).
The latest estimates I have seen is that it is expected that 80% of the population will eventually get Covid-19. Somewhere between 1/2 and 1% of those affected will die. The ones who are either young and week without fully developed strength, and those who have other significant health problems who cannot handle the stress of any significant illness.
The rest just get the flu for a few weeks.
Even normal flue has created labor issues in the past. I have spent much of my life in Power Plants. I can twice remember when the normal flue was so bad that we had problems staffing the plants to keep them running 24/7. But we did it. All other business and hospitals also had a lot of sick people. Folks - this is fairly normal. What is unique about Corona virus?
I believe that the medical resources should be targeted primarily to the young and those under 50. Some to those between 50 & 70, and last to those over 70.
While we should do no harm, and life has value. We should in my opinion also not artificially prolong life at large cost to the younger generation (unless people have their own resources to pay for that). My mother who died at 89 last year (I was the caretaker) was real insistent on that. Do modest things and keep her comfortable. Don't waste resources that could be better used on the children and young adults who are our future. She felt that she had lived a good life and had a positive impact.
Another reality is that about 1.5% of the US population die a year (about 5 million people: 1.5% = an life expectancy of 75). If corona-virus kills another 500,000 in a year that is only a 10% increase in deaths and funerals, which is not a shock to the system.
So the question is what is the balance? Are we causing more harm than good by shutting things down - or preventing a massive health catastrophe (10% or more of the population dying; which has occurred in some countries during war - and they bounced back).
Yes, it makes sense for the guy who owns a business to want his business to go back to its regular schedule as soon as possible.
Trump is sick of the fake bullshit that is covid-19. He knows its fake as fuck. .00005% of the population people. Shake your damn head and get a grip. It is BULLSHIT. Wake the fuck up!!!
Trump is media fire!
A quarantine shouldn't have happened in the first place. Call it cold, but a global depression is worse for the world than losing 2% of people.
What is remembered from the early 1920s, Diphtheria or the Wall Street Crash? As a species humans, for all our intelligence, are very emotionally driven. When looking at something like this, you need to take emotion out, as hard as that it, and compare the alternative of possible long-term depression.
We remember the crash because its affect was far greater on society. The quality of life, just to name a single factor hit during a depression, plummets, and that plunge can go on for years.
But we've panicked, as the fates had destined us to do; here's to hoping we only end up in a recession; I imagine no one who frequents this site was even alive when the last depression hit. I certainly hope that stays the same, and I'm not ashamed to say that I would have taken the cold but rational option to see to it that none of us see it yet.
I don't think you understand the impact this has. Hospitals are running out of space and that's with the quarantine.
The mortality rate for youngish healthy people is about 0.5%, and of course that's only of recorded cases.
The hospitals are packed not in spite of the quarantine but because of it.
I think Trump was in the wrong to shut down the economy for many reasons. One being if you consider the numbers theyre giving the death rate is extremely low which (if the numbers are true) makes it a mild virus. Then you have to consider that now there is more testing so thats why it shows the cases are increasing. You have to consider how many ppl got over it that did not get tested.
When you consider how many ppl did not get tested it makes the death ratio lower. Far lower than the flu even
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