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What do you think about it? Do you think it should be allowed for a person born as a man to compete with girls? Explain why.
Nope. The whole purpose of women's sports was to give women a fair chance competing in sports without the disadvantage of competing with the unfair but unchangeable fact that men are simply more physically able.
Agreed. And it’s not a hateful thing, it’s a fairness thing.
I think trans people should get their own section. Filled with whom? since theres not that many transgendered people.
Well take anyone who wants to take steroids and lets see what peak human performance with drugs looks like for sports. This would be awesome to see what a full roided quarterback male does to a female to male player.
That would be funny. Put them in a boxing ring and in all the pre fight shows have the transgender say "strength isnt gender related" then just have em smashed
I would want to look at each situation individually. I try to avoid generalizations as they always discriminate against the minority.
Far too often I get presented with what appears to be a simple issue; but, the actual situation is far more complex than that and there are often clear groupings where different or modified answers are the best for that sub group (or individual).
What if it was a m2f 16yo with the testosterone of a gorilla racing girls and getting their scholarship
Far to little information for me to comment on. I'd likely need at least a full day of studying the situation and their background to even begin to decide which way I might lean.
These issues are highly complicated. There is one solid truth about any "simple" question that people usually ask involving human dynamics. There's always at least one apparent simple answer - that is virtually always wrong.
How is that not enough information lol? You think we should start taking everyone case by case? If its a man with 5X the testosterone they should not be able to compete against women.
We are really living in lala land now. This is not a complex issue to me.
I'm with you; that was obviously enough information if you want to keep the sport fair.
The world of human dynamics is virtually always very complicated. I've had far more success in the world since I began to understand that - even if I don't understand the dynamics and undercurrents of the issues involved. "I'm not sure" or "I don't know" is the starting point of learning more and being able to make better decisions regarding other people and their situations (and gain respect from others). That's allowed me to charity mentor over 100 people in the last 8 years.
Technical things are often much simpler.
I believe that you will likely find much more success in life if you stop trying to simplify everything; and start dealing with people as they are (and not as you want them to be).
You can also over complicate simple things. Its a double edge sword. Its like asking someone if rape is bad and they say its complicated. Its not really that complicated. Rape is bad.
I think people shouldn't be categorized my gender, but by ability, weight, and strength.
So at the end of the day it will still be by sex?
Also how do you judge by age?
Your utopia sounds like it would fail on an administrative basis.
It's absolutely wrong, but damn funny to watch at the same time.
Brother look up Hannah Mouncey. Shes a rugby player thats built like brock lesnar. She dominates womens rugby.
She smashes through them. Its so funny watching them all get smashed.
No because there is an unfair advantage. You hear bullshit about how there are basically no physical differences if they transition early enough, but it's just not true. They still have a COMPLETELY male skeleton structure, as well as male lungs, male heart, etc, etc.
As a male who was starved of testasterone due to an undiagnosed condition I 100% agree. Despite being practically castrated I still beat all the females in strength based tasks. Running got me down because cardio = heart = muscle = crappy.
When I got testasterone it only made me slightly stronger. It still takes work to gain muscle even when given 300% your normal dosage of testasterone. But it makes it easier to gain new muscles. Putting natural females at an extreme disadvantage. On top of all the normal organ buisness.
Could you ask the doctor to bump your T up abit if you wanted? When I get in my mid 40s im gonna get on TRT
We all have our own feelings about the trans issue, but the sports/scholarship issue is one reason I believe the person needs to be an adult to start the process.
However, the way our world is going I would be in full support of elimination of any place or rule that ask or specifies gender, race, or any other discriminating factor. I'm really sick of hearing the same people especially media bitch about race or gender neutral BS, but then go off all bananas with they're the first female, black, asian, or other to do something. If majority of people want everything neutral then it's neutral not selective. You don't get only the good parts or special treatment because I'm green, fat, old, what ever factor may apply. Take it off applications, surveys, resumes, news cast, and even mask names if it going to make a difference.
Absolutely not, biological men have a huge advantage because of testosterone and body structure.
If anyone is unsure, just research how the Williams sisters, at their peak, were whipped by a no name 200+ ranked man in tennis after he had played golf and drank and smoke all day.
The most unfair (and dangerous) examples are in MMA where trans women absolitely beat the living shit out of biological women who are vastly more skilled.
How anyone could think its okay for a relatively unskilled biological man to come in and effortlessly dominate a competition against females that have trained tirelessly to become the very best at their craft need to seriously have their head examined.
That trans MMA fighter fractured a womans skull
I love how its always the m2fs In These discussions and its never about f2ms. Cracks me up
Because f2m arent gonna dominate and take scholarships
They will if you guys get your way. See a f2m takes testosterone the longer you are on it the more basically powerful you become. So by banning transgender from competitive against their gender you are forcing the much weaned m2f to compete against men and the much enhanced f2m to go against women. So they'll dominate and win scholarships. But nobody cares about tomboy or f2ms. Its just an odd woman its ok for a woman to become a man in our society but its not ok for a man to become a woman based in our society. The hate is towards m2fs. Its always m2fs in every single hate discussion. No one gives a shit about f2ms the hypocrisy is hilariously thick
probably because being male is seen as more acceptable than being female and men (cos or trans) don't typically get sexualised or face nearly as much discrimination as women (cis or trans)
Its not hypocrisy in my eyes. I just dont yet see f2m dominating in sports. But if it gets to the point where a biological female is being able to take and have a testosterone level of a bull I dont think thats fair either to compete in mens sports. I think they should compete against other transgenders. The fact is allowing trans people to compete in womens sports will destroy womens sports totally. You'll see it play out in the future.
I'm not arguing that. Trans v trans is only fair if you ask me. I dont care about professional sports in the slightest but I can absolutely agree with that statement.
That's because the circumstances are entirely different. A M2F isn't the same as a F2M.
If you're M2F then you've already gained plenty of unchangeable benefits that being male gives you growing up, such as bone structure. To then take that unfair advantage into an arena that was made purely so that participants wouldn't have to deal with such oppositional advantage would defeat the entire point of female sports and you may aswell just have unisex sports at that point.
F2M on the otherhand would be someone that is disadvantaged but chooses to enter a competition with a handicap, which doesn't effect anyone else in the sport they're going into.
M2F - Unfairness against everyone else that doesn't accept it.
F2M - Unfairness to the individual that accepts it.
Im interesting to see if a F2M could do well in mens sports even if they had more testosterone than the guys. I think even if you gave them 3x the testosterone levels theyd still get smashed.
Like he said there's only so much they can change physically, since their body originally developed as a female (bone structure etc).
Unrelated to sports, but it's interesting to note they were also "socialized" as the sex they were born, so there are usually some personality traits typical of their birth sex that remain as well. For example if you see news articles about a women committing some crime that is typically male it very often turns out to be a trans woman. Ex. the youtube shooter, the person who bombed a women's shelter (for not allowing them in), the person who hacked parler, several twitter groomers/pedophiles, etc.
Males are evolutionarily attuned to violence. Violence is obviously uncultured behavior that isnt tolerated in any society. Violence is a natural state of mind some people cant detach from, especially males.
Males often use the most violent ways to kill themselves. While women perfer to take pills or slip away in a bathtub. Guys perfer shotgunning their brains out or jumping from buildings.
I'm talking more than sports sweetheart
I made this post, but I'm gonna answer anyway. I think it's funny because I have a dark sense of humor. But it shouldn't be allowed to get in the way of scholarships. There was recently a tranny who smoked all the girls in nationals in highschool track and got a scholarship. This trans girl never even did hormone therapy.
Men are faster than women. I heard before that the fastest time ever by a professional woman in track and field barely scores in the top 100 of highschool boys.
Women's legs don't go straight down like men's, their thighs point inward at the knees and then go straight down, which isn't suitable for running but helps with child birth
You know about Heather Swanson right
Just human biology. Males where made to be the relatively disposable sex. Males are made to fight, for the longest of times that was endurance hunting where you just ran until the prey stopped due to exhaustion.
Females were for gathering and raising the next generation.
We are both equal as individuals but evolutionarily we have our roles. Thus we have the bodies for that role.
Yeah and it just makes sense for women to raise the kids. They have the tiddies. Hows the guy gonna breastfeed while the chic is out hunting. Then if the woman does stay home to feed the kid she might as well clean the house because shes home and the mans not. Then many times the mother is attached to thr child and doesnt want to leave it with friends while she works all day. Alot of moms would like to raise their kids themselves.
I have a girlfriend that is 110% cool with being a stay at home mom. It's really situation depending if she is able to be one.
It is getting harder and harder to find a traditional woman out there. Good luck to the rest of you guys.
I know Heather Swanson lol, she is from that one SP episode.
leik whay don't u join teh normal sports, them breakin all teh records dawg :3
In a way I think yes they should be. There are bio women with greater bone density than other bio women. Who cares.
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