Do you agree with moral relativism? If the answer is yes, you still know what you say to be true. You simply don't claim differing morals to be false. Your morals are still the true morals, to you, and the others are true to others. The only difference between what you are saying and what I am saying is that you don't believe that other peoples' morals are inherently false while I do. You still know what you say to be true, otherwise you would not be saying it.
"You still know what you say to be true, otherwise you would not be saying it."
No, I do not. Socratic discourse is based on illustrative suppositions. That's why I referenced the link. I will say that Moral Relativism is a useful concept because it puts incisive questions into a useful context in a way that the world's major religions fail to do.
I will also say that I have few ideals. Acceptance of cold uncertainty is the mark of an intelligent mind.
I'm not suggesting that you can't be uncertain as to the truth of something. I am suggesting that it's entirely illogical to argue for someone that you do not believe is true.
Well lawyers can take either side of an argument and do well with it.
But, what I am suggesting is that there is truth that can be demonstrated, truth that cannot be demonstrated, and hidden truth that nobody even knows exists. In the last few centuries, some of this hidden truth has been uncovered, even in the field of philosophy.
You may ask, How can you argue for the existence of truth that is hidden from everyone? The answer is that my supposition may force you to disprove my hypothesis. And, this becomes progress with the issue at hand.
Now, I can tell that ideals are important to you. That's fine. Values are what are important to my personality type. That's fine too. Let's end things here. In the last four thousand years, people far more intelligent than either you or me have still been unable to end religious wars or make the world less fundamentally evil.
What you're saying here I actually agree with. There are some hidden truths and truths that cannot be proven. There are even some in my religion. For example, how many people go to Heaven? The answer should be (from anyone who's not a heretic or a liar) that no one knows and that no one can or will know until the end of time. That is a truth that is currently hidden from humanity.
From what I know, values and ideals are synonyms, though. I'd argue that virtues are the most important things that a person can possess. I'd also argue that there are religious explanations as to why you can't end religious warfare and how the world is fundamentally more evil than in the past.
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Do you agree with moral relativism? If the answer is yes, you still know what you say to be true. You simply don't claim differing morals to be false. Your morals are still the true morals, to you, and the others are true to others. The only difference between what you are saying and what I am saying is that you don't believe that other peoples' morals are inherently false while I do. You still know what you say to be true, otherwise you would not be saying it.
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"You still know what you say to be true, otherwise you would not be saying it."
No, I do not. Socratic discourse is based on illustrative suppositions. That's why I referenced the link. I will say that Moral Relativism is a useful concept because it puts incisive questions into a useful context in a way that the world's major religions fail to do.
I will also say that I have few ideals. Acceptance of cold uncertainty is the mark of an intelligent mind.
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I'm not suggesting that you can't be uncertain as to the truth of something. I am suggesting that it's entirely illogical to argue for someone that you do not believe is true.
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Well lawyers can take either side of an argument and do well with it.
But, what I am suggesting is that there is truth that can be demonstrated, truth that cannot be demonstrated, and hidden truth that nobody even knows exists. In the last few centuries, some of this hidden truth has been uncovered, even in the field of philosophy.
You may ask, How can you argue for the existence of truth that is hidden from everyone? The answer is that my supposition may force you to disprove my hypothesis. And, this becomes progress with the issue at hand.
Now, I can tell that ideals are important to you. That's fine. Values are what are important to my personality type. That's fine too. Let's end things here. In the last four thousand years, people far more intelligent than either you or me have still been unable to end religious wars or make the world less fundamentally evil.
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What you're saying here I actually agree with. There are some hidden truths and truths that cannot be proven. There are even some in my religion. For example, how many people go to Heaven? The answer should be (from anyone who's not a heretic or a liar) that no one knows and that no one can or will know until the end of time. That is a truth that is currently hidden from humanity.
From what I know, values and ideals are synonyms, though. I'd argue that virtues are the most important things that a person can possess. I'd also argue that there are religious explanations as to why you can't end religious warfare and how the world is fundamentally more evil than in the past.