The west's fighting of communism

One thing I never learned is how come the west spends so much money and energy fighting communism all over the world. Im talking about Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, now Venezuela etc. We put sanctions on all of these countries and even troops on the ground sometimes but I've never understood why we care so much. I understand that communism spreads and in America our past presidents warned that it would come here. But wouldn't it make more sense if we just stayed neutral against the Soviets and just allowed people to see for themselves how capitalism is better by them seeing how much more prosperity we have? Whats the point in actively trying to stop it and making people hate America and the west? This way other countries would be less likely to try to destroy us from the inside.

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  • Anyone who refers to "the Soviets" in a present-day context clearly has a tenuous understanding of history and politics. The Soviet Union hasn't existed for nearly thirty years now.

    Still, even though your terminology is shaky, you raise interesting questions in your OP.

    During the Cold War, the antagonism between the USA and the USSR was largely about the perceived military threat posed to the USA by countries aligning themselves with the USSR and allowing Soviet bases on their territory. This was a large part of the reason for the American embargo on Cuba and the USA doing its damndest to isolate that country from others in the Western Hemisphere, although the way Castro nationalised American-owned assets in the country was also important. (Pre-Castro Cuba was a major source of income for American organised crime, and that was no doubt a factor too.)

    The Secretary of Defence in the Eisenhower administration (supposedly) said, "What's good for GM is good for America." That was pretty much the conventional view during the Cold War. Countries that went socialist or communist ceased to be a market for US goods or a source for raw materials for US industry, and that was bad for American capitalism. And, since capitalism was a system which had God's blessing (according to those on the top of the heap in the USA, anyway), socialism and communism therefore had to be evil.

    During the Cold War, the concept that socialism = evil became baked into the American consciousness. A good example of this is the term "socialised medicine". In the USA in the fifties, there were proposals for the country to establish a national health care system similar to those that were being created all over Europe in the post-war period. The American Medical Association hated this idea because it would reduce the income of doctors, so they asked an advertising agency to come up with a term that would make the public oppose the proposals. The ad agency settled on "socialised medicine", since that pushed the anti-communist, anti-socialist hot button. It's still called that in the USA, even though every other country in the world with a healthcare system that's free (or nearly so) at the point of need sees a system which ensures that all citizens can access decent healthcare as simply a sign of being civilised, not creeping communism.

    The power of calling someone "socialist" in the USA was demonstrated again when that label was applied to Joe Biden by the Trump campaign. Biden is a very, very long way from being a socialist as that term is understood anywhere else in the world, and most people who call him that have no idea what socialism really means in practice, but just calling him that provokes a knee-jerk negative reaction in a lot of Americans.

    You mention how Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren call themselves democratic socialist, and the implication is that you believe this puts them in the same camp as Castro, Mao, Ho Chi Min, Lenin and Stalin. Have you ever bothered to read an objective account of what their principles and policies actually are? Or is them using the word "socialist" when describing their views enough to make you believe that they can only be devils in disguise?

    One thing you're right about is that, when there's a conflict between concepts or ideas, one side or the other lashing out with force doesn't say much positive about the persuasiveness and validity of their principles. ISIS slaughtering and enslaving non-believers and Muslims whose Islamic theology doesn't exactly coincide with their own does not prove that the ISIS version of God and reality is correct; it just shows that they lack the proof necessary to convince others that they are right. Likewise, the USA trying to strangle Cuba to economic death with an embargo doesn't prove that the version of communism on that island is evil; it just proves that those in power in the USA didn't have the courage of their convictions and they weren't willing to allow things to play out to what they claimed would be the inevitable bad conclusion.

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    • The war on communism for America started just after WW2. "If we just stayed neutral against the soviets and allowed ppl to see for themselves that capitalism is better" I thought that quote was clear that I'm talking past tense.

      And yes I am very familiar with all of Bernies policies. Perhaps more so than you are. And I dont agree with most of them although some I do.

      Many of Bernies policies align with the Soviet Union's. Hes made all of the same promises as Castro made in Cuba. Which is a reason Biden did so poorly with the Cuban vote. He's even picked a similar name for his party. I could list all of the similarities between the soviets policies and bernies. It would be longer than this already is though.

      So of course I'm sceptical of a radical politician, and he is radical to me he signed AOC's green new deal to get rid of cars,planes,trains,and cows, along with a 90% tax on the wealthy (out of his own mouth). He wants to completely change our economic structure when we are top 5 in the world in almost everything and number 1 in highest average income

      Almost every profession in the world pays more in America (aside from maybe mcdonalds). I dont think its a good idea to completely change the formula thats made us number 1. Every action has an equal reaction.

      You mention socialised healthcare also, I am aware that Europe has socialised medicine or whatever we are supposed to call it. Its not really free tax payers do pay for it. I personally do have some of the best insurance in the world right here in America. Just had 2 back surgeries 3 MRIs in the past 2 months and I have paid 0 dollars apart from maybe 5 bucks in prescription pills. Im not trying to brag my point im getting at is Kamala Harris said in an interview that we will lose private insurance. Im not sure it gets a whole lot better than my insurance. I dont even pay weekly its free with my job. The healthcare system needs to be fixed for sure but I really like my plan. I do like healthcare being on the free market because I've been to the DMV. People worrh that eventually down the road government healthcare is going to be underfunded.

      I didn't try to turn this into another political debate believe it or not. I was genuinely interested after watching some youtube stuff.

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      • Well okay, but Boojum explained that the Cold War was mostly about keeping global markets and supply chains serving American industrial interests. Additionally, Military - Industrial developments focused on innovative ways to keep force multipliers for American weapon systems high. This allowed threat parity with the USSR to be accomplished without burning an excessive share of the GDP.

        Bernie Sanders and healthcare are different issues. The U.S. ranks close to the bottom for care delivered per dollar, mostly because they have no Death Boards. You tell people they have to die because it saves money that can then be used for preventative care. Preventative care is the most efficient care of all.

        I am a cold hearted guy. And, I support the liberals on this issue. American needs death boards really really bad. Seriously, sometimes death is the best solution.

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  • Humans are not equal. Some are not even worth their body weight in mulch.

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  • Simply, individualism and capitalism have propelled humanity to great heights and collectivism and communism have lead to the deaths of 100's of millions of people. It was the moral choice.

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  • Communism would never come here. Try fascism.

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    • I always thought you were Australian for some reason.

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      • I'm actually American, but I live in Australia.

        Sorry, I still misuse prepositions ALL the time hahaha. I'm always calling America "here" & Australia "there." It's a difficult habit to break.

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      • That's probably because the Countess is renowned for her tact and diplomacy.

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    • I think both are parties are already in America. You have the alt-right and also antifa who fly the soviet flag. Should either one get into power that could happen.

      But even socialism I think is similar to communism and in many ways are the same. Cuba and North Korea are technically socialist countries because you can own private property.

      The Soviets called themselves socialist democrats. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren call themselves democratic socialists.

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      • You can't forget about the party that's literally called "The Party for Socialism and Liberation".

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      • Stop overcomplicating things. The only thing Americans hate more than black people is sharing.

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        • I think you're very dumb. You can not hold a conversation about politics because you're not very bright, and you have to oversimplify complex things. Everyone on here can see your insecurity the only posts you ever make is calling others stupid or just being negative. Its very cringy and it says alot about your character.

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          • Yeah, that's why. It's not because I don't enjoy spending tons of hours screaming into a proverbial void, explaining my opinion to people who already have their minds made up. I really, honestly don't care about changing your mind. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

            And this site is called "is it normal?" People are allowed to tell you you are stupid & not normal. That's the point. Deal with it. If you want something else, go to "please agree with my uneducated verbal political diarrhea without hurting my feelings even though I can't stop posting on a non-political site about politics dot com."

            Otherwise, stop whining

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            • I really dont care, just pointin out its cringy that 100% of your posts you're act like youre tryin to hurt people's feelings or something. I just personally think you are insecure and abit stupid. But good luck with that.

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            • Lol

              You mean you dont enjoy having FAKE NEWS YOUR MEAN I'M NOT BIAS blasted at you cuz you used big kid words they dont understand?

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  • There's this theory that when two nations or groups of ppl fight and hate each other bitterly, when a generation dies, in next life they're born among the others. This has been explicitly said during WWII about Germans and Russians and seems likely. Given how Germany embraced leftism, egalitarianism and internationalisn while Russia's been going increasingly nationalist and chauvinist.
    The same theory can explain how the two American political parties swapped agendas in less than a century since the civil war. I was amazed to learn that it was democrats who upheld slavery that are now advancing colored's liberties.
    And given how US upper education and intellectual circles seem to be overrun by people with radical communist views. To a point anyone who dares to express an opinion which doesn't fit their agenda is smeared and forced into resignation or termination.. Venezuela seems like a far lesser problem.
    I'm not saying that communism (in it's classical form) is by all. means bad. By some means it or the reality under communist governments definitely was. I've not read Marks and Engel's or Lenin's works to have a knowledge of it. Since I'm from a country with communist past I've heard enough accounts and read enough stories to form a picture of that reality though Idk to what extent it actually fits the paradigm of communism. They called it socialism, meaning a stage society had to go through before reaching actual communism, which was supposed to be something better obviously.
    What is happening today in the USA, I mean the activism of far-left groups within or affiliated with the Democratic party, from my perspective, definitely is by far what communist was meant to be about by it's ideologists..

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  • Thought it was the communists rather trying to start a war or trying to compete with very unfair tactics that are sometimes very hard to detect; North Korea,Russia,China etc unfortunately have become real security threats the world can no longer ignore

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  • They were worried about the "domino affect". Plus the Soviets wouldn't have done the same, so places like Korea and Vietnam would have all flipped communist, and no doubt more places as well if America had just stayed out of it.

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  • Trading interests? Getting them before they can get America? I like both.

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