The IIN site being exposed for comedy? How do you feel about this?

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  • Ahh, I know, I do get what your issues with it are. As far as I can see, there are three sets of issues: (a) privacy/security, (b) copyright, and (c) that it won't be any good. I did stick to the first issue because that's what this seemed to be about but I'll talk about the other two. The last issue (the quality)... absolutely no idea. None of us know what is planned so none of us can really say. As for the issue that is bothering you...

    I'm in that weird position of being able to argue both sides. I understand IP laws in my country because I was part of an application to our IP officer at work because of an idea I had which was seen as commercially unique and groundbreaking. Got rejected for complicated reasons but I did go through the whole process. From what I could see, it was our responsibility to protect our IP by registering it (in much the same way you may file a patent). The argument against you is that we should have personal responsibility for protecting ourselves. I'd also say that when I post on someone's story, the site gives the OP the right to delete my words. The implication of the site meting out power over my words is that they now belong to the site; that by posting, I have donated them. As for the freeness of our words, they're still free. If people want to pay to see them performed as opposed to reading them here free, they have a choice. Part of what they are paying for (I can't argue "all", obviously) is the performance.

    There's a fair amount on the other side of the argument, though. When I signed up, I wasn't told that my words would be used for profit (although I accepted they'd be used to drive advertising which I imagined would be enough to keep IIN running - TheManagement said publicly that it doesn't and he makes a loss, although that's not wholly relevant to this issue). Yes, someone will (I imagine) make a profit by performing our words and we'll see nothing. As you say, we wrote the words. The script. The core material. I could also argue about the idea of the words being owned by us individually if we said something litigious but not owned by us when they are used in profit-making. And what if something one of us says becomes a meme or the idea becomes a Hollywood movie (not going to happen but for the sake of argument)? I'd feel a bit aggrieved if my words made some people multi-millionaires and I didn't see anything for it.

    Being pragmatic, though, as opposed to principled, I still think it's a good thing. If positive feedback increases IIN's user or subscriber base and allows the site to operate at a profit (or closer to one), then we all get to keep the site we enjoy. Our contribution will be worth something commercially as well as personally. From a purely selfish point of view, I also think many of us hope something of ours gets chosen (I've seen this expressed a lot). I'll hold my hand up here because I do hope I get to be part of it too and would forego payment to be involved in something that'll probably be unique to me in my lifetime. As it is, I'm really very excited that the site is being used, even if every contribution used is by someone I don't even know.

    Finally, the key pro point for me is that we give our information for free. We've already done that. We've agreed to do it, just by doing it. And the key sticking point, which I've got no way around, is that someone may make profit from our effort. I can't argue it because you're right. What's going to matter is how strongly people feel about the pros and how strongly about the cons. For me, I tip into the pro side. Completely understand anyone on the con side, though, because they're valid arguments.

    P.S. Thanks for making me Kurt Vonnegut. I love Kurt Vonnegut. :)

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    • After 2.5 years at this site, I am now calling it quits over this issue. I will miss Dirtybirdy & Dappled the most. Goodbye.

      Ps- Dappled, I think you're selling yourself short. Your thoughts, ideas & contributions here are worth more than you give yourself credit for.

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      • over the fact they are making us public? Really?

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        • I don't blame him one bit. I considered doing the same.

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          • On leaving over this?

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            • Yup. I dunno but I was just disgusted by the idea. And now the 'word' blogologues makes me want to upchuck.

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      • Well, that now colours it differently for me because I didn't realise you felt quite so strongly. Also, I'd take you leaving the site as a personal loss (and a loss for the site itself, of course).

        My immediate thought is to look for a compromise. Would you stay if it could be guaranteed that your stuff wouldn't be used (I can't guarantee this myself, of course, I'm just wondering what would be needed for acceptance)? Or is it a point of principle that you'd want to leave if any of our material was used?

        I've got an awful feeling you're going to say it's the latter.

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        • It doesn't matter how many times you say "in verbatim", the trailer sucked balls and i feel more insulted for this community than excited. When i registered for an account, I'm pretty sure i was reminded to treat the posts and users on this site with respect.

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          • There's a trailer of people doing IIN stuff? Hmm, I don't think I spotted that. I should go back and look.

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            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2cQ0pgUDoA&feature=player_embedded

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              • Oh, I saw that but it's not a trailer. It's a promo for the group, and a lot of it is just vox pops of audience members. It's nothing at all to do with IIN or what they've got planned.

                I mean, would you use footage of Mission: Impossible (and audience reaction to it) to decide whether to see Jack Reacher (because it stars the same actor)? You seem to be doing that here and it's not valid.

                The material that will be presented will be sourced off IIN. If you're suggesting there isn't a single person on this site who has ever said anything worth hearing, I think that's insulting to quite a few of us. If you do believe there is worthwhile material here, why would you write it off before you've even seen it?

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        • Hi dappled.

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