Can we not be both individuals and singular depending on the parameters by which we measure ourselves? A slice of cake is part of a whole cake - it's all just cake. But still the slice of cake is not the whole cake. I am a slice of the universe which is part of the whole universe - it's all just universe. But still I'm not the whole universe. I am myself - and self in this case is that slice.
Yes our our brains work that way but that's not the reality. We are bound by same rules of the universe as the inanimate objects. We are not free agent as our brains imagine and believe. We are a part of a single process of universe, not free from it in any way. We can not produce unique effects that that are not caused by something else in our environment. Same "principle of causality" applies to us as to anything else.
The illusory self that is me will die because self, will, death, fear are all part of the illusion. But what I am truly is a part of eternal. "You" and "Self" are inextricably linked to the notion of Free Will. Without the latter, the former don't exist either. Free will as illusion takes the motivating forces of fear, desire, feelings of inadequacy, guilt, and other similar feelings and replaces them with wonder, reason, and curiosity.
We are bound by these rules, as far as we're aware (we're limited to only what we perceive and are capable of understanding).
The self you say is illusory is not illusory in my opinion. As I said previously, it depends on the parameters by which we measure ourselves. Feelings, ideas, thoughts etc. are real, even if they are subject to causality and can be attributed to neurons and electricity. In other words the 'abstract' details that make up the self are not abstract at all.
I agree that we are part of something eternal (as far as we're aware - we can't know for certain that the universe is continuous), but as I said before with my cake analogy, a part of a whole can still be distinguished from the whole. That single process is one made up of innumerable processes.
Death is a transition of an arrangement of matter into a different arrangement no longer identifiable to us as alive. Life is a label we attribute to certain arrangements of matter that fulfil a specific criteria.
I don't think this is a case of true or false, it's more a case of perspective. Thanks for the discussion, by the way, I've found it interesting.
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Can we not be both individuals and singular depending on the parameters by which we measure ourselves? A slice of cake is part of a whole cake - it's all just cake. But still the slice of cake is not the whole cake. I am a slice of the universe which is part of the whole universe - it's all just universe. But still I'm not the whole universe. I am myself - and self in this case is that slice.
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Subject and object are imagination of the brain. We feel the ownership of our body because the brain creates a body map or a self image.
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Self and the differentiation between subject and object are no more imagination than all that we perceive through our senses.
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Yes our our brains work that way but that's not the reality. We are bound by same rules of the universe as the inanimate objects. We are not free agent as our brains imagine and believe. We are a part of a single process of universe, not free from it in any way. We can not produce unique effects that that are not caused by something else in our environment. Same "principle of causality" applies to us as to anything else.
The illusory self that is me will die because self, will, death, fear are all part of the illusion. But what I am truly is a part of eternal. "You" and "Self" are inextricably linked to the notion of Free Will. Without the latter, the former don't exist either. Free will as illusion takes the motivating forces of fear, desire, feelings of inadequacy, guilt, and other similar feelings and replaces them with wonder, reason, and curiosity.
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We are bound by these rules, as far as we're aware (we're limited to only what we perceive and are capable of understanding).
The self you say is illusory is not illusory in my opinion. As I said previously, it depends on the parameters by which we measure ourselves. Feelings, ideas, thoughts etc. are real, even if they are subject to causality and can be attributed to neurons and electricity. In other words the 'abstract' details that make up the self are not abstract at all.
I agree that we are part of something eternal (as far as we're aware - we can't know for certain that the universe is continuous), but as I said before with my cake analogy, a part of a whole can still be distinguished from the whole. That single process is one made up of innumerable processes.
Death is a transition of an arrangement of matter into a different arrangement no longer identifiable to us as alive. Life is a label we attribute to certain arrangements of matter that fulfil a specific criteria.
I don't think this is a case of true or false, it's more a case of perspective. Thanks for the discussion, by the way, I've found it interesting.