Except that every time someone points out that most pregnancies CAN be avoided by personal responsibility... someone always starts screaming about rape...
it's like they want to pretend that no woman ever uses abortion as birth control and every single case must therefore be rape.
Sorry but I don't think I said women don't use it as birth control. I know some do. Some use it because they need to continue with education but women who are raped sometimes fall pregnant. You can't be ignorant of the fact that is one cause!! Whatever we say to each other people are still going to abort and there's nothing we can do... So I'd say leave it be.. :)
all i said was.... .the moment you suggest responsibility and keeping your legs shut, SOMEONE ALWAYS raises the "OMG WHAT ABOUT RAPE" flag.
why? Because many people in my opinion don't want to acknowledge personal responsibility and that it IS a factor... so instead they'll just bring up "rape!" in order to change the subject.
we are in a society where everyone endlessly goes on about "my rights" and no one ever stops to think about "my responsibilities"
Everything has a purpose, if a kid was born because your rubber broke( a mistake) would you kill him just because you didnt want him? Does he not have a say ? Does he not get a chance to feel love? To have life and become someone great to change this world? You guys are just selfish, you dont have the right to say who lives or dies period.
In that instance I'd look at the parents background, if they can't look after the baby properly and the care system is poor in their area then Abortion is the one of the sensible options. It's not just the baby you need to think about, do the parents have health issues, are they capable of being good parents? Using it as Birth Control is wrong but if something has happened (Rape, Health issues) then abortion is (in some cases) the best option for the women/man and fetus. It's not selfish if you can't deal with pregnancy or having a child.
Rape? Adoption, To young? Close your legs, Parent is not in the right mind ? Govermount takes the baby and gives it to someone wishing and crying their eyes out every night because they dont have the ability to give birth. Key Point is child not parent...New life takes away old life and if your just killing new life then your killing your self...that crap effects you watch
Rape, youve got something from the person who's ruined your life, self, state of mind inside of you for roughly 9 months. Imagine what that can do to a woman?! Too young, imagine when the child finds out that their mum was a 15 yr old, or the crap the mums family would get from everyone. When you say adoption, it's emotionally distructive for a new mum to give her child away,
stop being so one sided, this subject you need to think not only of the child, but of the parents as well. They not only have to deal with pregnancy but also having a child who is possibly ill, reminds them of their hellish experience, a consequence of a mistake or even never seeing their baby, it's hard to give a child away, especially to have an abortion which is why you should think about it as much as possible before hand, people don't get laid then when their pregnant think oh well I'll just abort it.
But you HAVE to remember It's not just the fetus that's affected by abortion.
there's too many children in the system already and too many people abusing it. it needs reform as well as the loopholes in the legislature that let's bible thumpers force their beliefs on everyone
What are you trying to say, is that just because there might be, {but there ain't}, to many kids in this world, that we should just say all right we'll kill you?
Hey Mr. Atheist, if you have the right to state your atheistic beliefs then us as you called us "BIBLE THUMPERS" should have equal rights in stating our beliefs.
What's "Good For The Goose, Is Good For The Gander," if we have to listen to your beliefs then sit back and give us equal time.
i believe i have. i've read your comments and rebutted them. these are my beliefs and i'm allowed to have them, and if appropriate i'll share them. if someone is looking for a debate, i'll provide one.
If you're so pro-life, why is it "wrong" to "murder" a human fetus, but other species are habitually and endlessly murdered in utero every day and no one apparently thinks doing the SAME THING to a mother of another species is "wrong."
An action is either wrong or not wrong - who it happens to is irrelevant and nothing but a distraction meant to draw attention away from the underlying concept.
If abortion is wrong for human women, it's wrong to force it on females of other species, too. To do otherwise is blatantly hypocritical and overtly self-serving (i.e., illogical and ethically unsupportable).
It's the same thing with slavery: it's either wrong, or not wrong. It's not wrong some of the time for some of the species on the planet, and who the enslaved happens to be is irrelevant because we are talking about the action, slavery, and not deciding its moral viability based upon who the victim happens to be, we have to decide whether slavery is wrong or not wrong based upon its morality as an action.
Show of hands, Who thinks abortion is immoral or 'Wrong'?
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Try telling a rape victim to close their legs. -.- your comment was totally inconsiderate to one BIG reason why a woman would want an abortion.
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I support abortion only in cases of rape and when it endangers the mothers life. All other reasons for abortion are invalid and wrong.
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You must be channeling God, you're so sure of yourself.
not all unwanted pregnancies are from rape.
many are simply from people who don't plan ahead... and don't want to be responsible for their own actions
but yes many people wag the "rape" flag when they don't want to admit this
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I didn't say that was the only reason why people have them but it's one reason why women have abortions... ;)
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Except that every time someone points out that most pregnancies CAN be avoided by personal responsibility... someone always starts screaming about rape...
it's like they want to pretend that no woman ever uses abortion as birth control and every single case must therefore be rape.
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Sorry but I don't think I said women don't use it as birth control. I know some do. Some use it because they need to continue with education but women who are raped sometimes fall pregnant. You can't be ignorant of the fact that is one cause!! Whatever we say to each other people are still going to abort and there's nothing we can do... So I'd say leave it be.. :)
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who ever said i was?
all i said was.... .the moment you suggest responsibility and keeping your legs shut, SOMEONE ALWAYS raises the "OMG WHAT ABOUT RAPE" flag.
why? Because many people in my opinion don't want to acknowledge personal responsibility and that it IS a factor... so instead they'll just bring up "rape!" in order to change the subject.
we are in a society where everyone endlessly goes on about "my rights" and no one ever stops to think about "my responsibilities"
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In that instance I'd look at the parents background, if they can't look after the baby properly and the care system is poor in their area then Abortion is the one of the sensible options. It's not just the baby you need to think about, do the parents have health issues, are they capable of being good parents? Using it as Birth Control is wrong but if something has happened (Rape, Health issues) then abortion is (in some cases) the best option for the women/man and fetus. It's not selfish if you can't deal with pregnancy or having a child.
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Rape? Adoption, To young? Close your legs, Parent is not in the right mind ? Govermount takes the baby and gives it to someone wishing and crying their eyes out every night because they dont have the ability to give birth. Key Point is child not parent...New life takes away old life and if your just killing new life then your killing your self...that crap effects you watch
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Rape, youve got something from the person who's ruined your life, self, state of mind inside of you for roughly 9 months. Imagine what that can do to a woman?! Too young, imagine when the child finds out that their mum was a 15 yr old, or the crap the mums family would get from everyone. When you say adoption, it's emotionally distructive for a new mum to give her child away,
stop being so one sided, this subject you need to think not only of the child, but of the parents as well. They not only have to deal with pregnancy but also having a child who is possibly ill, reminds them of their hellish experience, a consequence of a mistake or even never seeing their baby, it's hard to give a child away, especially to have an abortion which is why you should think about it as much as possible before hand, people don't get laid then when their pregnant think oh well I'll just abort it.
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yeah! smart people!
my point exactly. thank you
Who the f&*k cares if it's emotionally destructive to the mother? You're killing a baby!
there's too many children in the system already and too many people abusing it. it needs reform as well as the loopholes in the legislature that let's bible thumpers force their beliefs on everyone
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What are you trying to say, is that just because there might be, {but there ain't}, to many kids in this world, that we should just say all right we'll kill you?
Hey Mr. Atheist, if you have the right to state your atheistic beliefs then us as you called us "BIBLE THUMPERS" should have equal rights in stating our beliefs.
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i believe i have. i've read your comments and rebutted them. these are my beliefs and i'm allowed to have them, and if appropriate i'll share them. if someone is looking for a debate, i'll provide one.
If you're so pro-life, why is it "wrong" to "murder" a human fetus, but other species are habitually and endlessly murdered in utero every day and no one apparently thinks doing the SAME THING to a mother of another species is "wrong."
An action is either wrong or not wrong - who it happens to is irrelevant and nothing but a distraction meant to draw attention away from the underlying concept.
If abortion is wrong for human women, it's wrong to force it on females of other species, too. To do otherwise is blatantly hypocritical and overtly self-serving (i.e., illogical and ethically unsupportable).
It's the same thing with slavery: it's either wrong, or not wrong. It's not wrong some of the time for some of the species on the planet, and who the enslaved happens to be is irrelevant because we are talking about the action, slavery, and not deciding its moral viability based upon who the victim happens to be, we have to decide whether slavery is wrong or not wrong based upon its morality as an action.
So, what's it going to be?