What idea? That shit's should be given about indigenous people or black people? That's a hilarious observation of American culture because it's so wrong. America gives zero shits.
The notion of reperations is nothing but a cosmetic, publicly acceptable fix for something that is still a problem, and it is useless and equally discriminatory and shitty and worthless, but it's something, I guess.
& maybe it isn't comparable, but the situation absolutely is and always will be comparable to the situation of American indigenous people, & canadian & a shitload of other countries. Funny how groups of people, worlds apart, who've never been in contact all suffer from the same exact longstanding problems of mental disorders, addiction, poverty, joblessness, & alcoholism & the same exact history. So weird. There's probably nothing to that
But it must be because they're brown or weird shaped. They should stop trying to steal our jobs & get benefits
Yes, I completely agree that the situation is comparable to the indigenous people of America and Canada. That was kind of my whole point. That's a useful and constructive line of thinking and I wish more people saw it that way. I just don't agree that it's comparable to the situation with slavery in America.
I get frustrated when people casually compare African Americans to indigenous Australians. It's so fucking ignorant and completely misses the point. It's as if some people have forgotten what happened and play skin tone match with history.
I agree, and I'm sorry if I misread your comment. Having lived in both countries, I just saw the similarity in the public's reception of the notion of a population seeking reperations from a historical event they're basically removed from in chronological sense. The current population is generations out, and a lot of the blatant outright issues have been fixed, but there are obviously still problems that need to be dealt with.
What I meant is the idea of people seeking reperations for damage done generations before their birth. Not an American thing. Not a black people thing.
Ah, I see. To be honest I was just being flippant in my wording because the OP is clearly just stirring up shit for a laugh.
That being said, I don't really agree with reparations on a personal level. For example - my great grandma's sister owned your great uncle's wife as a slave, therefore I should give you $10,000 because it's my fault, and once you have that money the issue can be put to rest. That kind of system is totally fucking stupid. However I believe that governments and monarchys absolutely should remember their history and consider these things. For example, I do not disagree that indigenous people should keep the reservations that they were given. I don't disagree that they should change the date of Australia Day. I think a lot more should be done in Australia to try and repair this damage. I confidently assume the same can be said for indigenous Americans, but I can't really speak with any authority on it because I haven't been there and don't know enough about it.
I think trying to put the blame on individual people is where it falls apart. It becomes needlessly complex and futile. Most people these days have mixed heritage and it's quite rare that you can really pin someone down as being purely one race/nationality, especially when you consider how borders have changed throughout history. Every person on the planet has some persecuted blood in them. Besides, even if you could pin down someone's ancestry to a "perpetrator" or whatever you would call them, it still seems totally unfair to blame that person in any way for the actions of a distant ancestor.
So I don't know where that leaves me. I suppose it just depends what is meant by reparations.
Is now considered a shameful comment online because it contributes nothing, but I pretty much agree with everything you've said & you've said it very eloquently.
I think I misread your original comment. I don't believe in simple reperations. They're fundamentally useless, in my opinion. Foisting a handful of dollars at people doesn't solve systemic issues.
I just sort of have a problem with the pervasive attitude in America that people have been afforded the same basic rights... to vote, to own property, to get married...and that's enough. job well done...pack it up, boys, no need to do anything here.
People who view racism superficially are convinced that the problem has been solved. It obviously has not.
I don't think every back person should be handed a check. I absolutely do believe there are things that need repairing.
People misunderstand my views on online forums so frequently that I can only assume that it's my own fault, rather than theirs. I tend to make sweeping statements and then not explain things fully. Perhaps it's laziness on my part.
Nah, nah...you were pretty clear. You actually specifically said in your original comment that you were talking about the notion of individual people owing reperations, socially or otherwise. I just missed it because as an American living in australia, I constantly get to hear about certain issues being the fault of Americans, when there's this entire parallel of similar issues that are happening in Australia & has absolutely nothing to do with America.
It's just so fucking exhausting being constantly asked about it & confronted about it just because of my accent.
Should white people pay reperations?
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What idea? That shit's should be given about indigenous people or black people? That's a hilarious observation of American culture because it's so wrong. America gives zero shits.
The notion of reperations is nothing but a cosmetic, publicly acceptable fix for something that is still a problem, and it is useless and equally discriminatory and shitty and worthless, but it's something, I guess.
& maybe it isn't comparable, but the situation absolutely is and always will be comparable to the situation of American indigenous people, & canadian & a shitload of other countries. Funny how groups of people, worlds apart, who've never been in contact all suffer from the same exact longstanding problems of mental disorders, addiction, poverty, joblessness, & alcoholism & the same exact history. So weird. There's probably nothing to that
But it must be because they're brown or weird shaped. They should stop trying to steal our jobs & get benefits
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Yes, I completely agree that the situation is comparable to the indigenous people of America and Canada. That was kind of my whole point. That's a useful and constructive line of thinking and I wish more people saw it that way. I just don't agree that it's comparable to the situation with slavery in America.
I get frustrated when people casually compare African Americans to indigenous Australians. It's so fucking ignorant and completely misses the point. It's as if some people have forgotten what happened and play skin tone match with history.
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I agree, and I'm sorry if I misread your comment. Having lived in both countries, I just saw the similarity in the public's reception of the notion of a population seeking reperations from a historical event they're basically removed from in chronological sense. The current population is generations out, and a lot of the blatant outright issues have been fixed, but there are obviously still problems that need to be dealt with.
What I meant is the idea of people seeking reperations for damage done generations before their birth. Not an American thing. Not a black people thing.
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Ah, I see. To be honest I was just being flippant in my wording because the OP is clearly just stirring up shit for a laugh.
That being said, I don't really agree with reparations on a personal level. For example - my great grandma's sister owned your great uncle's wife as a slave, therefore I should give you $10,000 because it's my fault, and once you have that money the issue can be put to rest. That kind of system is totally fucking stupid. However I believe that governments and monarchys absolutely should remember their history and consider these things. For example, I do not disagree that indigenous people should keep the reservations that they were given. I don't disagree that they should change the date of Australia Day. I think a lot more should be done in Australia to try and repair this damage. I confidently assume the same can be said for indigenous Americans, but I can't really speak with any authority on it because I haven't been there and don't know enough about it.
I think trying to put the blame on individual people is where it falls apart. It becomes needlessly complex and futile. Most people these days have mixed heritage and it's quite rare that you can really pin someone down as being purely one race/nationality, especially when you consider how borders have changed throughout history. Every person on the planet has some persecuted blood in them. Besides, even if you could pin down someone's ancestry to a "perpetrator" or whatever you would call them, it still seems totally unfair to blame that person in any way for the actions of a distant ancestor.
So I don't know where that leaves me. I suppose it just depends what is meant by reparations.
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Is now considered a shameful comment online because it contributes nothing, but I pretty much agree with everything you've said & you've said it very eloquently.
I think I misread your original comment. I don't believe in simple reperations. They're fundamentally useless, in my opinion. Foisting a handful of dollars at people doesn't solve systemic issues.
I just sort of have a problem with the pervasive attitude in America that people have been afforded the same basic rights... to vote, to own property, to get married...and that's enough. job well done...pack it up, boys, no need to do anything here.
People who view racism superficially are convinced that the problem has been solved. It obviously has not.
I don't think every back person should be handed a check. I absolutely do believe there are things that need repairing.
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THIS (no shame)
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Nah, nah...you were pretty clear. You actually specifically said in your original comment that you were talking about the notion of individual people owing reperations, socially or otherwise. I just missed it because as an American living in australia, I constantly get to hear about certain issues being the fault of Americans, when there's this entire parallel of similar issues that are happening in Australia & has absolutely nothing to do with America.
It's just so fucking exhausting being constantly asked about it & confronted about it just because of my accent.
So triggered
I'm Karen
Well, "kazza" I guess