I have never been to America, but I do have some American friends in this country.
I'm really glad that I have those friends, because if I was purely judging America based on the ideas I hear from there, such as people of one skin colour having to pay apology money to people of another skin colour because of some stuff that happened before any of them were born, then I would think that every single person in that country was fucking retarded.
That is absolutely not an American concept lol. Idk...you're in qld, but there was MASSIVE hooting on AUS day in melbourne about changing the date. I don't know if you were busy milking your chickens or watering the crocs or whatever qld farm people do, but reperations to the indigenous that has been a massive bitch fest in Australia for years. It's not just an American thing.
I would argue that the situations are not at all comparable. You're comparing slaves being brought into a new country and then eventually being "freed" by colonists, with indigenous people being displaced from their homeland and abused by the new colonists. Both are horrible things, of course, but they are very different things that I don't think there is much value in comparing.
Also I am very pleased that you remembered that I live in NQ. I actually have chickens. I've never milked them but I've heard that milking them on Australia day conjures Ned Kelly and he puts on a show for you
What idea? That shit's should be given about indigenous people or black people? That's a hilarious observation of American culture because it's so wrong. America gives zero shits.
The notion of reperations is nothing but a cosmetic, publicly acceptable fix for something that is still a problem, and it is useless and equally discriminatory and shitty and worthless, but it's something, I guess.
& maybe it isn't comparable, but the situation absolutely is and always will be comparable to the situation of American indigenous people, & canadian & a shitload of other countries. Funny how groups of people, worlds apart, who've never been in contact all suffer from the same exact longstanding problems of mental disorders, addiction, poverty, joblessness, & alcoholism & the same exact history. So weird. There's probably nothing to that
But it must be because they're brown or weird shaped. They should stop trying to steal our jobs & get benefits
Yes, I completely agree that the situation is comparable to the indigenous people of America and Canada. That was kind of my whole point. That's a useful and constructive line of thinking and I wish more people saw it that way. I just don't agree that it's comparable to the situation with slavery in America.
I get frustrated when people casually compare African Americans to indigenous Australians. It's so fucking ignorant and completely misses the point. It's as if some people have forgotten what happened and play skin tone match with history.
I agree, and I'm sorry if I misread your comment. Having lived in both countries, I just saw the similarity in the public's reception of the notion of a population seeking reperations from a historical event they're basically removed from in chronological sense. The current population is generations out, and a lot of the blatant outright issues have been fixed, but there are obviously still problems that need to be dealt with.
What I meant is the idea of people seeking reperations for damage done generations before their birth. Not an American thing. Not a black people thing.
Ah, I see. To be honest I was just being flippant in my wording because the OP is clearly just stirring up shit for a laugh.
That being said, I don't really agree with reparations on a personal level. For example - my great grandma's sister owned your great uncle's wife as a slave, therefore I should give you $10,000 because it's my fault, and once you have that money the issue can be put to rest. That kind of system is totally fucking stupid. However I believe that governments and monarchys absolutely should remember their history and consider these things. For example, I do not disagree that indigenous people should keep the reservations that they were given. I don't disagree that they should change the date of Australia Day. I think a lot more should be done in Australia to try and repair this damage. I confidently assume the same can be said for indigenous Americans, but I can't really speak with any authority on it because I haven't been there and don't know enough about it.
I think trying to put the blame on individual people is where it falls apart. It becomes needlessly complex and futile. Most people these days have mixed heritage and it's quite rare that you can really pin someone down as being purely one race/nationality, especially when you consider how borders have changed throughout history. Every person on the planet has some persecuted blood in them. Besides, even if you could pin down someone's ancestry to a "perpetrator" or whatever you would call them, it still seems totally unfair to blame that person in any way for the actions of a distant ancestor.
So I don't know where that leaves me. I suppose it just depends what is meant by reparations.
Should white people pay reperations?
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I have never been to America, but I do have some American friends in this country.
I'm really glad that I have those friends, because if I was purely judging America based on the ideas I hear from there, such as people of one skin colour having to pay apology money to people of another skin colour because of some stuff that happened before any of them were born, then I would think that every single person in that country was fucking retarded.
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That is absolutely not an American concept lol. Idk...you're in qld, but there was MASSIVE hooting on AUS day in melbourne about changing the date. I don't know if you were busy milking your chickens or watering the crocs or whatever qld farm people do, but reperations to the indigenous that has been a massive bitch fest in Australia for years. It's not just an American thing.
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I would argue that the situations are not at all comparable. You're comparing slaves being brought into a new country and then eventually being "freed" by colonists, with indigenous people being displaced from their homeland and abused by the new colonists. Both are horrible things, of course, but they are very different things that I don't think there is much value in comparing.
Also I am very pleased that you remembered that I live in NQ. I actually have chickens. I've never milked them but I've heard that milking them on Australia day conjures Ned Kelly and he puts on a show for you
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What idea? That shit's should be given about indigenous people or black people? That's a hilarious observation of American culture because it's so wrong. America gives zero shits.
The notion of reperations is nothing but a cosmetic, publicly acceptable fix for something that is still a problem, and it is useless and equally discriminatory and shitty and worthless, but it's something, I guess.
& maybe it isn't comparable, but the situation absolutely is and always will be comparable to the situation of American indigenous people, & canadian & a shitload of other countries. Funny how groups of people, worlds apart, who've never been in contact all suffer from the same exact longstanding problems of mental disorders, addiction, poverty, joblessness, & alcoholism & the same exact history. So weird. There's probably nothing to that
But it must be because they're brown or weird shaped. They should stop trying to steal our jobs & get benefits
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Yes, I completely agree that the situation is comparable to the indigenous people of America and Canada. That was kind of my whole point. That's a useful and constructive line of thinking and I wish more people saw it that way. I just don't agree that it's comparable to the situation with slavery in America.
I get frustrated when people casually compare African Americans to indigenous Australians. It's so fucking ignorant and completely misses the point. It's as if some people have forgotten what happened and play skin tone match with history.
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I agree, and I'm sorry if I misread your comment. Having lived in both countries, I just saw the similarity in the public's reception of the notion of a population seeking reperations from a historical event they're basically removed from in chronological sense. The current population is generations out, and a lot of the blatant outright issues have been fixed, but there are obviously still problems that need to be dealt with.
What I meant is the idea of people seeking reperations for damage done generations before their birth. Not an American thing. Not a black people thing.
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Ah, I see. To be honest I was just being flippant in my wording because the OP is clearly just stirring up shit for a laugh.
That being said, I don't really agree with reparations on a personal level. For example - my great grandma's sister owned your great uncle's wife as a slave, therefore I should give you $10,000 because it's my fault, and once you have that money the issue can be put to rest. That kind of system is totally fucking stupid. However I believe that governments and monarchys absolutely should remember their history and consider these things. For example, I do not disagree that indigenous people should keep the reservations that they were given. I don't disagree that they should change the date of Australia Day. I think a lot more should be done in Australia to try and repair this damage. I confidently assume the same can be said for indigenous Americans, but I can't really speak with any authority on it because I haven't been there and don't know enough about it.
I think trying to put the blame on individual people is where it falls apart. It becomes needlessly complex and futile. Most people these days have mixed heritage and it's quite rare that you can really pin someone down as being purely one race/nationality, especially when you consider how borders have changed throughout history. Every person on the planet has some persecuted blood in them. Besides, even if you could pin down someone's ancestry to a "perpetrator" or whatever you would call them, it still seems totally unfair to blame that person in any way for the actions of a distant ancestor.
So I don't know where that leaves me. I suppose it just depends what is meant by reparations.