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So… should trans people be allowed to compete of certain sports teams.
There was this one instance where a women's hockey team finally got permission to start training, but then a random MtoF trans woman went "Why cant i be on that team?"
Is it fair for the woman's team? They fought for all that time for a team, but then, a man was like "aight ye lets join dis team!"
| No | 33 | |
| Yes. | 15 |
I sure like shemales porn but if a man who had a dick now decided to be a woman and want a pussy, which I don't have a problem with and good for you to go forward with your dream. The problem I do have is when it comes to women sports an no they shouldn't be able to play once a man always a man an it's women sports!!! I'm not hating on men trans it just women sport. I know you are a trans M to F inside your still a man and your skills set. just saying from hard rock dude
It’s unfair to women who’ve been training their whole lives to become pro athletes just to be beaten by a man with a natural advantage (testosterone)
I think there should be teams made specifically for trans people, one for trans men and trans women. Now I’m no doctor, I don’t know how much transitioning changes the body but Im sure even if someone transitions they still have the built and strength of their previous sex. So I think a trans women would have more advantage in a match against female born women, and trans men would be at a disadvantage against male born men too.
If they had their own team no one would watch it and they wouldnt make enough money and complain about income inequality. Thats like that karen soccer girl. They get less than half the viewership as the mens soccer team and wonder why they make less. More viewers = more money to go around.
No.
They want to call themselves trans, well that’s not the gender specified on an all male or female team. Live by the rules, die by the rules.
I'm going to play the Devil's advocate for both sides.
Keep them out of sports: "I totally respect trans rights. I'm even okay with them using whatever restroom they want as all genders can offend and if any of them do they'll be held accountable like anyone else. In all other cases, I think trans people should be able to do just as anyone with the original biological sex that corresponds with their gender. In fact, I really wish it could be the same for sports. I hope that in the distant future science advances so sufficiently that people can actually transition in a way that allows them to be biologically identical to the sex that corresponds with their gender, but the sad reality is that we aren't there yet. It feels so shitty and unfair to exclude them but it's even more unfair to force all the biological females dedicating their whole lives to sports to compete with people who simply have a biological physical advantage. There's no real win here but this is how it has to be until science advances."
Let them compete: "I acknowledge that transwomen _are_ women. They do not simply choose to be misgendered. It will almost certainly begin to surface, just as it's beginning to with homosexuality, that there are genetic causes behind this. Transwomen are women who have erroneously developed within the XY framework. It is a physical condition. It is illegal to discriminate based on genetic advantages in sports. This doesn't just mean things like being tall or having unusual reach; it includes conditions like gigantism and mutations such as the one Michael Phelps has; his body hardly produces lactic acid (which is what tires you) as if having arms too long for his body isn't enough. He is simply better equipped to swim than most but that's the luck of the draw and he's celebrated as the best swimmer of all time, at least partially due to his condition. As transwomen are women with a physical condition, it would be genetic discrimination to exclude them because of possible physical advantages their condition gives them. It's no different than a female swimmer having to face a female Michael Phelps. The only way around this is to concede that I'm not truly pro-trans and I believe it's all a bunch of bullshit in their head after all."
You decide.
I totally agree with your answer, I think you put it the right way. Personally, I agree more with the 1st version - it's about biological advantage, which unfortunately they can't do anything about yet.
Mkay so imma have to go with none. It isnt fair that a females team has been campaigning for months and even years, for a man in a dress to wanna compete, just because "he identifies as a woman"
I IDENTIFY AS AN APACHE ATTACK HELICOPTER! I WANNA FLY! AND IM GETTING SURGERY TO BE A REAL HELICOPTER!!! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO CARRY PEOPLE, RIGHT?
It's a complicated issue for now so that's valid. Just remember that in order to hold this view without hypocrisy, one must also agree with at least one of the following statements:
• Transgenderism is in the heads of those who claim it and there is no biological cause for it.
• All people with conditions that give them physical advantages should be banned from sports and people like Michael Phelps should be stripped of their medals.
No they should not be allowed this.
It's a fact that men and women have different body strengths and therefore it's not fair. Trans people should have their own teams. Sorry but a trans woman will never be close to a cis woman, even those who pass the best have very obvious male bone structure or brow ridges and that's because our bodies are built different. It's a fact.
Of course not. Please keep your big bully balls testosterone fueled ideas of gender out of women's sports. A lot of girls are competing hard to be the best wothout the need for some man with a complex to cheat his way in. No thank you. Women's sports is not the place for you to beat up on others while you find yourself.
oh god fuck yes. I love watchin them trannies smoke womans that think there hot shit in runnin sports. Even better is combat sports.
I dont like or respect transgendereds whatsoever but theres just somethin bout watchin em smoke womans
Even if they transitioned from male to a female they are still biologically stronger than women, so no, they should not compete in women's sports.
People keep saying if they are fully transitioned then it's okay.
If you believe transitioning should not be allowed on young children but held off until they are 18 or 21 and can make their own decisions, then there are no fully transitioned in high school, few if any in college depending on how long you believe that process takes.
When it comes to pro/semi pro or after college sports just eliminate M or F, and put the fastest, strongest, whatever-est on the field. If that eliminates female pros so be it. Good with the bad !!!
To be honest when a transgender woman starts hormones than her testosterone hormones goes down and their estrogen level increases to the same as a cisgender woman and medical studies has shown that they aren’t no where near as strong as they were before they started the hormones. Actually, they have the same strength as women.
Most people fear what they do not understand. I would be interested if anyone would be in the same uproar if a trans male (FTM) was to join a male baseball team.
Ok. But we also have to look at the reasonable side. Sometimes not all trans people have even had testoserone or estrogen yet, and is it really fair? Youve been campaigning to finally get a team but then a trans woman comes and says "oh i wanna join u".
I like trans people and im not transphobic. I just feel like that aint fair.
There is plenty of countries where trans athletes complete with their preferred gender as long as they go through a blood test to prove their hormone levels. Yeah a trans woman who just started HRT would still have a lot of testosterone in their body but ones who been on HRT for more than a year would have the same hormone levels as a female.
I wonder, are speaking from experience as being in a team when a trans person asked to join?
Yes, just not the female hockey team I mentioned. I'm fine with trans people being on my team. However in the hockey team case, they had literally fought for their place.
Yeah. If a trans woman has had enough hormones as a cis woman then its fine. periodt. no backsies
I looked over the description and skimmed over the comments and I think there's a lot of misconceptions here.
Male to Female trans girls aren't men. Think of them as girls that were born with dicks. They produce as much estrogen as a girl and have completed both a hormone replacement transition and surgery to convert their body into a fully functioning female body. Once someone has finished transitioning, they are 1 gender and only different because of their background.
A fully transitioned Male to Female trans woman would be no different from an average woman. Therefore, they should absolutely be allowed to compete.
What I believe people are saying here is that crossdressers and people who 'identify as female' shouldn't be allowed, which I agree with. I don't understand much about the segregation of sexes in sports but I know its due to biological differences. To compete as a female, one should prove they are female. To compete as male, one should prove they are male.
tl;dr: If they're fully transitioned to the point where they're indistinguishable from female, yes. If they aren't fully transitioned and still have plenty of male traits (on top of being mentally unstable) then no.
111112222 you said,
"A fully transitioned Male to Female trans woman would be no different from an average woman. Therefore, they should absolutely be allowed to compete."
That is 100% false. You are not understanding how the sexes are physically different, regadless of hormone therapy. Men and women have different bone structures at the core. You can't change DNA.
The proof is that male to female transitioned athletes of mediocre ability are effortlessly dominating against biological women in competition. Records of speed in track and records of weights lifted are being won by "previously men" that have "fully transitioned". The most egregious examples of the biological differences of men and women is when transitioned male-to-female cage fighters beat the living shit out of biological women even though the man-born is of vastly inferior talent.
But then again how many can afford to fully transition. What about those who are still taking drugs, or some who paused mid procedure?
But apart from that, its what im saying. But should we call them transgender if they are completely indistinguishable (Excepting DNA because as a commenter said, you cant change that)?
Personally I like the gender differences and having female this and male that, however, with all this gender neutral stuff going on it's not right just to pick and choose what it applies to. You take the bad with the good,
I've said it before if people truly want gender neutral then you do away with anything and everything that says male, female, men's, women's, girl's, boy's, ...
You can't fight for girls in boy scouts, in all fields of army, girls on men's football, soccer, basketball, restrooms, locker rooms, then turn around and say but they can't be on ours transitioning or not.
That's the negitive part of wanting everything the same, if you recognize there are differences then some people are going to be treated differently.
If there is no black, white, green, yellow, male, female, feale (that's takes the M out, and makes a five letter word for those somewhere in-between), then deal with it.
It may just need to start out with everything, sports included, needs to have a certain percentage of everything until you match your local population percentages. You no longer will look for the best 50 players to fill your team or business you'll look for the best in each category.
Either that or you just take the top 50 and if that excludes any category then so be it.
What truly amazes me is that people actuslly care about this. Like it's a fucking game stop taking it so seriously
These sports are litterly justva game we used to play simply to pass the time. How such a worthless activity has such upheaval and huge rewards is absolutely stupid in my opinion along with all the drama it attracts
its kinda stupid when you step back and take a long hard look at sports culture. However during this pandemic I just do absolutely nothing and i find it better to chat with other people on things im passionate about than lazing around like you suggest i be doing. Im not campaigning about having trans men and women removed from sports. Im just talking about it.