Should people not work if they don't want to?

I've got another friend who thinks that nobody should work if they don't want to, everyone should be given free housing, free food, and that big businesses and rich people shouldn't be allowed. He said he thinks I'm some sort of puppet the government oppresses. I felt a little insulted by it. I was always taught that if you don't want to work, you don't eat. He seems to think he knows how to solve all of our problems in our ghetto town. Is any of this normal?

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  • I didn't realise that real people ever thought like this. I've never met any.

    Your friend sounds stupid.

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  • If no one is working who's making the food? Who's got the facilities running? Who provides your water and electricity? Who keeps law and order in your area? Fuckin knobhead your friend is

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  • He sounds like a retarded idealist, and even his ideals are deeply flawed. Who the fuck is going to provide all the free stuff if nobody works?

    You've got countries around the world where everyone is working, and even then they're still not able to provide enough food for the population.

    I find people on this site are generally quite nice, and it's not a very toxic place, so I don't really want to go too hard on this and bring that level of toxicity in, but suffice to say I would take any political insult given by your friend as a compliment.

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  • Hardworking people having their earnings stolen by deadbeats reeks of injustice and unfairness.

    You should reap what you sow, and if you don't sow, you should reap nothing, so to speak.

    Such a system would never work, because the people who do work would eventually become resentful towards the lazy people.

    The bums would be forsaken by society, and they would have no power to stop whatever happened to them, because they would have no leverage, and no worth in the community.

    The only way it would "work" is if the government oppressed everyone. Fuck that.

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  • commie bastards

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  • If they want to be a bum it's their choice.

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  • Good luck in the gulag

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  • If he is willing to live in the woods and live off squirrels and berries, go for it.

    I think homesteading should be allowed but free houses, nope. Free food, sure if you kill or harvest it yourself.

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  • Sounds like he would enjoy communism. Purchase him a ticket to Russia and bid him a fond Adieu.

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  • I agree with him that everyone should be given free houses/food and that the mega rich shouldn't be allowed, but people would still need to work even when they don't want to. All those undesirable (yet vital) jobs aren't gonna do themselves. I do think though that the people who do those jobs should be paid and respected as much as, if not more than, the people who do the high-status jobs in our society. Also education should be completely free up to, and including, college.

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    • Who's going to pay for the free food and houses?

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      • Well a lot of the world's money is in the possession of the super rich, if we took it off of them we could use it to pay for much of that.

        Plus then we could eventually transition into a more-or-less moneyless society anyway. Everyone would be required to work a 40 hour week for free, but then they'd get free food and a place to stay. We probably would need some sort of currency though, for people to buy things that aren't essential. We couldn't just give out these things to everyone because each person would have their own likes/dislikes and would want certain items but not others. So everyone could get an equal allowance to buy the things they want, in addition to their free food/home.

        Then when robots advance enough to do most work we need to do, then nobody will have to work if they don't want to since the only work there'll be then will be non-vital creative work (like making films, music, etc.)

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        • "Well a lot of the world's money is in the possession of the super rich, if we took it off of them we could use it to pay for much of that"

          Nope. There is an estimated 280 trillion dollars of wealth in the world. Divide that equally by the roughly 7 billion people and everyone would get around $40,000.

          Then what?

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          • Well there's a lot of money being wasted to pay for things like the military, religious institutions, liberal arts grants, etc. We could use that.

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            • One could argue a house is a waste of money. Do you really need a living room, bedroom, kitchen for survival? Nope. Just a warm 6x9 place to sleep and a place to bath occasionaly.

              This website and whatever device you're using is also a waste. As is more than two sets of clothes.

              Most everything in western society is a waste.

              When you give all that up and redistribute it to the less fortunate, I will think about doing the same.

              I've lived homeless. You'd be amazed at what little you really need to survive.

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  • If your friend is suspicious of the government, then why does he want put himself in a position to be dependent on the government for his care? The rich and businesses don't pay for non-workers directly, they would have to pay high taxes (which would force them to raise prices) and the government controls which non-workers get what. Talk about being a puppet then!

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    • I really don't understand him. He's got this mindset that big companies, rich people, and society owe him.

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  • You're friend sounds awful.

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    • He thinks that there's going to be a second Holocaust in the US and that everyone should move to another country. I think his brain is broken.

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      • Even if he turns out to be right (which I doubt) how does not bothering to do any work fit in with this plan?

        I agree that his brain is broken lol. Or maybe he's just very naive/idealistic. To be fair I think a lot of us went through this "everything should just be free all the time" phase as youngsters, he'll probably grow out of it once he finishes puberty.

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      • Ugh.

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      • Maybe he will eventually end up on disability for something like paranoid schizophrenia? I don't have a problem with people being on disability for mental health reasons. I just think your friend has an attitude problem, but maybe he's a bonafide kook who is into lots of conspiracy theories, and such? My ex- boyfriend was really into conspiracy theories so I kinda see that as a red flag of the cray cray.

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  • If he doesn't want to work, he doesn't have to. However, the hard-working people who make the food desire money to buy what they need to live, so he's gonna need to get that money from somewhere if he wants to live longer than a month. It's the system we all live in.

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  • i agree with this. what in the world can cause someone to deny care that someone needs or say that a person deserves to live out in the streets hungry everyday. it is hateful and ridiculous. there is no reason for this. it is hard to make a living. the prices on apartments are ridiculous. the prices on food are ridiculous. everyone needs to eat, have a place to stay and several other necessities that are not needing to be denied. also people need luxury to be happy. you are rich so you get to be happy. you make enough money to be happy. it really should not matter how much money you make. the point of everything is happiness even if it is a collective movement where one person's or group's happiness cannot oppress other people's happiness.

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  • That's extremely unfair for rich people. Why in the world should they give all those money they spent ages earning to random person who doesn't want to work? This system will not work well because nobody would want to work hard, considering that no matter how hard they work, they would always get the same thing.

    If somebody is disabled and cannot work, yeah, he probably should be given free housing and stuff. But someone who's perfectly capable of working, just that he's lazy and doesn't want to work? Nah.

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  • If you don't want to work and you're capable of not working, then don't. I don't plan to work until I have to so I understand that - should everything be supplied to you? No, besides the bare necessities perhaps. I'm just lucky enough to be in a situation where I am able to live without working yet

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  • No work put them in the army

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  • I have a friend who has similar thoughts. Of course his idea is "redistribution of wealth". Even if they divided everything up equally among everyone, most of it would end up back into the hands of the ones who were rich before such a scam took place.

    People forget that others have to work in order to make food, housing, etc possible. No matter what our jobs are, we are somehow contributing to society.
    Plus, I imagine that if someone DID have to provide their own food like growing or killing it, that would be way more work than what most people presently do.

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  • That's like living on a farm. The system has changed and our modern lifestyles cannot be supported by bartering like in the olden days.

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    • Sure bartering could still work, it's just not convenient for most, and without a bunch of tracking and paperwork it's illegal, because the government wants their cut of everything.

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      • I used to work in a restaurant where we would often trade food with neighboring restaurants. The government is not legally allowed to charge a tax, as no monetary value changed hands. If I trade a dollar bill for a dollar in quarters, I may not be taxed because my monetary value neither increases nor decreases.

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      • It doesn't have much feasibility to work in this era because whereas in the past, people could barter a kilo of carrots for a kilo of tomatoes, today it would be almost impossible to equate the value of goods in the modern era. Stocks, property, bitcoin...lol

        Monetisation suits this situation better. And you're right, this system has taken away much of our financial freedoms.

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  • You're friend is in love with his own seductive thinking. So was Karl Marx.

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  • Not normal. In every part of world there are the rich and the poor.

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