OK, I shouldn't have said the REASON the 56 year-punishment is enough because torture is potentially a lot worse than killing. The 56 year-punishment is enough because Hitler lived for 56 years.
But torture potentially really IS a lot worse than killing, regardless. I don't see why you can't seem to understand this, as you seem to be quite bright. Killing can take only a fraction of a second, while torture can last for much, MUCH longer.
Do you honestly think a quick bullet through the head is worse than being skinned alive, or burned, or having your tongue and eyes ripped out? Really?
YES, torture is worse than death. But TORTURE is what HAPPENED to the Holocaust victims before they died. Most of the people that died in the concentration camps didn't just get a bullet in their head, they were TORTURED before they died. And the ones who were immediately killed after getting to the camps, they were gassed. Being gassed is worse than being shot in the head, since you're slowly losing air in your lungs- being gassed to death is slow torture before death. That doesn't just take a fraction of a second.
The people that Hitler killed in the Holocaust were TORTURED before they died. They weren't just shot in the head and killed. They were TORTURED.
"But TORTURE is what HAPPENED to the Holocaust victims before they died. Most of the people that died in the concentration camps didn't just get a bullet in their head, they were TORTURED before they died. And the ones who were immediately killed after getting to the camps, they were gassed. Being gassed is worse than being shot in the head, since you're slowly losing air in your lungs- being gassed to death is slow torture before death. That doesn't just take a fraction of a second."
All 100% true.
"The people that Hitler killed in the Holocaust were TORTURED before they died. They weren't just shot in the head and killed. They were TORTURED."
Most were, yes. There were people who were shot immediatly, but most were indeed tortured before they were killed, yes. Of course Hitler (and his henchmen) should be punished severely, but FOREVER? No matter how bad a crime, there IS a limit SOMEWHERE.
"Nice to suddenly admit that now?" I've never denied the fact that torture is worse than dying. I agree with you on that; I probably should have said that in an earlier post.
No, some crimes are so horrible, there should be no limit to a person's punishment.
"I've never denied the fact that torture is worse than dying."
I think you mean death/killing instead of dying. Anyway, you most definitely DID deny it. Here's a previous statement of yours:
"do you have any idea how ignorant that comment is you made? "Torture is potentially A LOT worse than killing"?"
So you did in fact deny it. That's OK though, a person can change his/her mind. Just don't pretend you were consistent the whole time.
"No, some crimes are so horrible, there should be no limit to a person's punishment."
That is the very core of our little dispute I think. I'm afraid we will never see eye to eye on this. I agree that Hitler (and his henchmen) should be SEVERELY punished, but FOREVER seems really illogical to me. Hitler lived for 56 years, so the torture should be for 56 years too. Most Holocaust-victims were tortured, yes, but CERTAINLY not for 56 years and we've just established torture is worse than killing. And even IF 56 years isn't enough, forever is CERTAINLY too much.
Do you still honestly have no idea what I was trying to say in that quote? I've constantly explained that quote to you and you still don't seem to get it.
"Also, do you have any idea how ignorant that comment is you made? "Torture is potentially A LOT worse than killing"?"
I said this because you said that an eternity of torture was too harsh for someone who was responsible for the deaths of eleven million people- eleven million people who were tortured before they died. Therefore, your comment appeared ignorant to me. I didn't say "Do you know how ignorant your comment is" because I didn't think torture was worse than death, I made that comment because I couldn't believe someone would write a comment so completely stupid.
Didn't you read my previous comment? I don't think so, especially the part where I said most Holocaust-victims were indeed tortured, but certainly NOT for 56 years of course.
Eternal torture is by DEFINITION an ABSURD idea. No matter HOW evil the crime, there ARE limits nonetheless. So, an evil crime can certainly merit an EXTREMELY harsh punishment, but NEVER an ETERNAL one. Makes perfect sense, whereas your bullshit frankly... doesn't. You're obviously a good and pretty smart person (and so am I btw), but I think you reason too much with your heart instead of your head.
I'm also done arguing as it's a waste of time. I won't be coming back here. I truly wish you all the best Lynxikat.
Should I believe a lie if that makes me happier?
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OK, I shouldn't have said the REASON the 56 year-punishment is enough because torture is potentially a lot worse than killing. The 56 year-punishment is enough because Hitler lived for 56 years.
But torture potentially really IS a lot worse than killing, regardless. I don't see why you can't seem to understand this, as you seem to be quite bright. Killing can take only a fraction of a second, while torture can last for much, MUCH longer.
Do you honestly think a quick bullet through the head is worse than being skinned alive, or burned, or having your tongue and eyes ripped out? Really?
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I EXPLAINED this. TWICE.
YES, torture is worse than death. But TORTURE is what HAPPENED to the Holocaust victims before they died. Most of the people that died in the concentration camps didn't just get a bullet in their head, they were TORTURED before they died. And the ones who were immediately killed after getting to the camps, they were gassed. Being gassed is worse than being shot in the head, since you're slowly losing air in your lungs- being gassed to death is slow torture before death. That doesn't just take a fraction of a second.
The people that Hitler killed in the Holocaust were TORTURED before they died. They weren't just shot in the head and killed. They were TORTURED.
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"I EXPLAINED this. TWICE."
Not to my satisfaction, sorry.
"YES, torture is worse than death."
Nice of you to suddenly admit this now.
"But TORTURE is what HAPPENED to the Holocaust victims before they died. Most of the people that died in the concentration camps didn't just get a bullet in their head, they were TORTURED before they died. And the ones who were immediately killed after getting to the camps, they were gassed. Being gassed is worse than being shot in the head, since you're slowly losing air in your lungs- being gassed to death is slow torture before death. That doesn't just take a fraction of a second."
All 100% true.
"The people that Hitler killed in the Holocaust were TORTURED before they died. They weren't just shot in the head and killed. They were TORTURED."
Most were, yes. There were people who were shot immediatly, but most were indeed tortured before they were killed, yes. Of course Hitler (and his henchmen) should be punished severely, but FOREVER? No matter how bad a crime, there IS a limit SOMEWHERE.
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"Nice to suddenly admit that now?" I've never denied the fact that torture is worse than dying. I agree with you on that; I probably should have said that in an earlier post.
No, some crimes are so horrible, there should be no limit to a person's punishment.
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"I've never denied the fact that torture is worse than dying."
I think you mean death/killing instead of dying. Anyway, you most definitely DID deny it. Here's a previous statement of yours:
"do you have any idea how ignorant that comment is you made? "Torture is potentially A LOT worse than killing"?"
So you did in fact deny it. That's OK though, a person can change his/her mind. Just don't pretend you were consistent the whole time.
"No, some crimes are so horrible, there should be no limit to a person's punishment."
That is the very core of our little dispute I think. I'm afraid we will never see eye to eye on this. I agree that Hitler (and his henchmen) should be SEVERELY punished, but FOREVER seems really illogical to me. Hitler lived for 56 years, so the torture should be for 56 years too. Most Holocaust-victims were tortured, yes, but CERTAINLY not for 56 years and we've just established torture is worse than killing. And even IF 56 years isn't enough, forever is CERTAINLY too much.
finite crimes = INfinite punishment? Come on...
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Do you still honestly have no idea what I was trying to say in that quote? I've constantly explained that quote to you and you still don't seem to get it.
"Also, do you have any idea how ignorant that comment is you made? "Torture is potentially A LOT worse than killing"?"
I said this because you said that an eternity of torture was too harsh for someone who was responsible for the deaths of eleven million people- eleven million people who were tortured before they died. Therefore, your comment appeared ignorant to me. I didn't say "Do you know how ignorant your comment is" because I didn't think torture was worse than death, I made that comment because I couldn't believe someone would write a comment so completely stupid.
So, there- I'm done arguing with you over this.
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Yeah, you're totally right... Not.
Didn't you read my previous comment? I don't think so, especially the part where I said most Holocaust-victims were indeed tortured, but certainly NOT for 56 years of course.
Eternal torture is by DEFINITION an ABSURD idea. No matter HOW evil the crime, there ARE limits nonetheless. So, an evil crime can certainly merit an EXTREMELY harsh punishment, but NEVER an ETERNAL one. Makes perfect sense, whereas your bullshit frankly... doesn't. You're obviously a good and pretty smart person (and so am I btw), but I think you reason too much with your heart instead of your head.
I'm also done arguing as it's a waste of time. I won't be coming back here. I truly wish you all the best Lynxikat.