I'm not interested in utopia, I'm actively working in my life towards dismantling misogyny, which will not happen in my lifetime, but it's the core of why I exist on earth in this place in this body right now. You don't actually know anything about me and the work I do in the world with people of all kinds, so please hold any judgments about my quality as a person. I'm not trying to attack anyone. It's just really hard to get men to listen at all and nearly as hard get other women to speak up about their own experiences. When you're up against something that is insidious and the people who perpetuate it often aren't aware because their privilege acts as a barrier, sometimes you have to be tricky to get a conversation started, but I didn't arbitrarily tell you to fuck off and the comment is still on my page, so maybe you or someone else clicked hide? I honestly don't know all the ins and outs of this site yet. I'm just witnessing a lot of men saying really disgusting things to and about women and speaking up about it.
You aren't going to dismantle misogyny because it's not your place to police thoughts, regardless on if you agree with them or not.
That's not the problem here. I've looked through your comments and the real reason why you won't see it happen in your lifetime is because you want to see it everywhere.
Just look at the shit you say..."It's hard to get men to listen". You're belittling men at every point you have and you expect people to see your views stemming from real life epidemics of misogyny instead of you own clear sexist mindset? Do you have any idea how much help women get for their issues compared to any plight men face?
What kind of misogyny exactly? Are you talking about third world or first world? I would love to hear a few examples and yes we dont know you which is why we can't judge you, I bet you a normal socially accepted member but with different perspectives on topics like that. But does that mean that you can judge people just because they are born as male? It's just like inverted misogyny.
But yes you are right, we really sometimes dont listen to stuff like that because we are sick of hearing that we are "mansplaining" after saying arguments and most women don't speak up because they have the same rights like men (voting, having the opportunity to work,...) so tell me a few examples for what they should fight for.
I agree that there are people who think otherwise and view women as lower class but that doesnt mean that everyone is thinking like that and that you have to do the same with us.
There are a lot of layers to first world misogyny. (Have you heard the term intersectionality?) There are so many problems here in the states that I could easily devote my whole life to doing social work here and not run out of work to do even just setting things up around the country for other people to run.
I don't judge people because they were born male. (I was born male, btw. As far as the government is concerned, I am a man. I didn't bring that up before because it distracts people from what I'm talking about.) Men have gone out of their way to treat me badly. I've been raped multiple times and received death threats at my job and yes, I have severe complex PTSD, but I don't blame every man I encounter for the things that have happened to me. I blame the men who felt entitled to violate my autonomy, starting when I was a small child, but I also blame the systems of male power that allow for that to happen over and over again to all kinds of people, of all ages. And *sometimes* women are perpetrators, but everywhere I've ever lived and searched the sex offender registry to know who to be aware of, I never see more than two women and I always see at least a dozen men and there's always at least one person who should not be in the general population but is. When people say, "It's not all men," it attempts to dismiss the cold hard fact that it is almost entirely men.
Women do not have the same rights as men in this country and women (both cis and trans) still have to fight for everything. If we had the same rights, we wouldn't have to do that. Women can vote, but most of the politicians are still men and still actively work against women having rights. Sure, there are prominent women politicians now, but most of them are actively anti-feminist because if they weren't, they wouldn't have those jobs and a lot of those women defend laws and institutions that actively prevent women from having social, economic, and political power.
I can understand why people get defensive when they're called out and I did absolutely use this post to bait men into saying ignorant things so I could call them out on it. I did initially have an emotional reaction to some of the trolling that I knew would happen and that doesn't reflect well on me. However, if you know how many times I've heard all of this stuff and the actual things I've been through, you might not feel inclined to judge it.
That said, when men get defensive about being called out on actions they say don't represent them personally, I can't help but think if their hands were clean they wouldn't feel the need to defend themselves or each other. I'm challenging male power because it needs to be challenged, not to attack anyone personally who doesn't deserve it, which is exactly what men have been doing to me all my life.
Yes, intersectionality, the idea that we are all in little boxes and that individualism doesn't exist.
You do judge people for being male, though. You just sat there and judged them as privileged without knowing anything about their lives, how bad their lives are or how good they are, and that's the problem with intersectionality, you don't care about the fact that just because you're black that your life could have far more issues than a black person, a gay person, trans person, etc, etc.
You've been raped? How many times? How many times did you report it? How many times did it go to court, because if you tell me that you didn't report it or that it "didn't go through", then I'm sorry but that's too convenient, especially with the climate of these issues.
Sure, most sex offenders are male (despite there being issues on women who are sex pests not being put on the registry) but the vast, vast, vast majority of men aren't, but you're going to judge the general man based on that small percentage of men that are scum.
You're right, women don't have the same rights as men in this country. Men can still be drafted into war, men can still legally be genitally mutilated at birth. Name me a legal right women don't have.
"Women can vote", yes, and they vote people into power, who happen to be men, which is more likely to happen as more men than women go for those positions.
Eh, no. You don't get to just dictate that the reason women are anti-feminists is because they'd lose their jobs, you don't get to dictate their reasons. The fact is, most of the world, even first world countries, does not agree with feminism, hence why the statistic for feminists is going lower and lower. You also say they put laws into place to prevent women having social, economic and political power? Care to mention what these laws are?
They're getting defensinve because you are coming off as a deranged bigot. You're the type of person who will sit and happily admit to doing this, then bitch about men "abusing" women by doing to women what you're doing to men right here.
So let me get this straight. You're accusing men of shit and if they get offended over you accusing them of shit that they didn't do, well then they must be guilty of it? You're not challenging "male power", you're trying to assert your own power over men, and I'm sorry mate but that isn't going to happen because you don't come off as some new-aged intellect, you come off as a bat-shit crazy bigot.
I don't owe you anything. You have no right to interrogate people who have been sexually abused or assaulted. No one owes you an explanation and it doesn't matter if you believe me or anyone else. (I just hope you aren't an authority figure to children.) It doesn't change the fact that it happened and it happens to people of all ages, races, sizes and genders and that the perpetrators are largely male. It's a pervasive social problem that affects people regardless of privilege. It's not a blanket accusation and the apparent fact that you took it that way says a lot more about you than it does about me.
p.s. You've got intersectionality all wrong. It's actually a pretty comprehensive, individual thing that takes people out of boxes. I'm not going to expect you to do anything as time consuming as Google the definition yourself, so here is the Wikipedia definition: "Intersectionality is the idea that social identities, related systems of oppression, domination, or discrimination, and multiple group identities intersect to create a whole that is different from the component identities." It doesn't mean 'pulling the race card' (a term which exists to excuse people who don't have to deal directly with racism from having to take responsibility for how they benefit from racism) or trying to invalidate anyone's experience of oppression by calling attention to the oppression they contribute to.
No, you don't owe me anything, just like men don't owe you anything, including myself.
Yes, I have a right to question the legitimacy of someone's claims of being abused or claims of anything because if I didn't then I would have to blindly accept who you point to is a sexual predator.
You then add that you don't hope I'm an authority to children but I could say the exact same to you, you who tells people not to question the legitimacy of accusations.
I see I have to repeat myself. Sure, if sexual assault is primarily committed by men it does not mean that the vast majority of men take part in such actions.
Don't give me the, "If you take issue with it then you're bad" speech, I'm not one to fall for that blatent morality manipulation, I don't need to agree with you to be a good person.
Oh my God. Let me just quote a bit of our wiki quote, "and multiple group identities" GROUPS...As in, not individualism. "Oh, you're an individual, but you're being put in a group of the same individuals"....
Seriously Guys..
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I'm not interested in utopia, I'm actively working in my life towards dismantling misogyny, which will not happen in my lifetime, but it's the core of why I exist on earth in this place in this body right now. You don't actually know anything about me and the work I do in the world with people of all kinds, so please hold any judgments about my quality as a person. I'm not trying to attack anyone. It's just really hard to get men to listen at all and nearly as hard get other women to speak up about their own experiences. When you're up against something that is insidious and the people who perpetuate it often aren't aware because their privilege acts as a barrier, sometimes you have to be tricky to get a conversation started, but I didn't arbitrarily tell you to fuck off and the comment is still on my page, so maybe you or someone else clicked hide? I honestly don't know all the ins and outs of this site yet. I'm just witnessing a lot of men saying really disgusting things to and about women and speaking up about it.
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You aren't going to dismantle misogyny because it's not your place to police thoughts, regardless on if you agree with them or not.
That's not the problem here. I've looked through your comments and the real reason why you won't see it happen in your lifetime is because you want to see it everywhere.
Just look at the shit you say..."It's hard to get men to listen". You're belittling men at every point you have and you expect people to see your views stemming from real life epidemics of misogyny instead of you own clear sexist mindset? Do you have any idea how much help women get for their issues compared to any plight men face?
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What kind of misogyny exactly? Are you talking about third world or first world? I would love to hear a few examples and yes we dont know you which is why we can't judge you, I bet you a normal socially accepted member but with different perspectives on topics like that. But does that mean that you can judge people just because they are born as male? It's just like inverted misogyny.
But yes you are right, we really sometimes dont listen to stuff like that because we are sick of hearing that we are "mansplaining" after saying arguments and most women don't speak up because they have the same rights like men (voting, having the opportunity to work,...) so tell me a few examples for what they should fight for.
I agree that there are people who think otherwise and view women as lower class but that doesnt mean that everyone is thinking like that and that you have to do the same with us.
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There are a lot of layers to first world misogyny. (Have you heard the term intersectionality?) There are so many problems here in the states that I could easily devote my whole life to doing social work here and not run out of work to do even just setting things up around the country for other people to run.
I don't judge people because they were born male. (I was born male, btw. As far as the government is concerned, I am a man. I didn't bring that up before because it distracts people from what I'm talking about.) Men have gone out of their way to treat me badly. I've been raped multiple times and received death threats at my job and yes, I have severe complex PTSD, but I don't blame every man I encounter for the things that have happened to me. I blame the men who felt entitled to violate my autonomy, starting when I was a small child, but I also blame the systems of male power that allow for that to happen over and over again to all kinds of people, of all ages. And *sometimes* women are perpetrators, but everywhere I've ever lived and searched the sex offender registry to know who to be aware of, I never see more than two women and I always see at least a dozen men and there's always at least one person who should not be in the general population but is. When people say, "It's not all men," it attempts to dismiss the cold hard fact that it is almost entirely men.
Women do not have the same rights as men in this country and women (both cis and trans) still have to fight for everything. If we had the same rights, we wouldn't have to do that. Women can vote, but most of the politicians are still men and still actively work against women having rights. Sure, there are prominent women politicians now, but most of them are actively anti-feminist because if they weren't, they wouldn't have those jobs and a lot of those women defend laws and institutions that actively prevent women from having social, economic, and political power.
I can understand why people get defensive when they're called out and I did absolutely use this post to bait men into saying ignorant things so I could call them out on it. I did initially have an emotional reaction to some of the trolling that I knew would happen and that doesn't reflect well on me. However, if you know how many times I've heard all of this stuff and the actual things I've been through, you might not feel inclined to judge it.
That said, when men get defensive about being called out on actions they say don't represent them personally, I can't help but think if their hands were clean they wouldn't feel the need to defend themselves or each other. I'm challenging male power because it needs to be challenged, not to attack anyone personally who doesn't deserve it, which is exactly what men have been doing to me all my life.
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Yes, intersectionality, the idea that we are all in little boxes and that individualism doesn't exist.
You do judge people for being male, though. You just sat there and judged them as privileged without knowing anything about their lives, how bad their lives are or how good they are, and that's the problem with intersectionality, you don't care about the fact that just because you're black that your life could have far more issues than a black person, a gay person, trans person, etc, etc.
You've been raped? How many times? How many times did you report it? How many times did it go to court, because if you tell me that you didn't report it or that it "didn't go through", then I'm sorry but that's too convenient, especially with the climate of these issues.
Sure, most sex offenders are male (despite there being issues on women who are sex pests not being put on the registry) but the vast, vast, vast majority of men aren't, but you're going to judge the general man based on that small percentage of men that are scum.
You're right, women don't have the same rights as men in this country. Men can still be drafted into war, men can still legally be genitally mutilated at birth. Name me a legal right women don't have.
"Women can vote", yes, and they vote people into power, who happen to be men, which is more likely to happen as more men than women go for those positions.
Eh, no. You don't get to just dictate that the reason women are anti-feminists is because they'd lose their jobs, you don't get to dictate their reasons. The fact is, most of the world, even first world countries, does not agree with feminism, hence why the statistic for feminists is going lower and lower. You also say they put laws into place to prevent women having social, economic and political power? Care to mention what these laws are?
They're getting defensinve because you are coming off as a deranged bigot. You're the type of person who will sit and happily admit to doing this, then bitch about men "abusing" women by doing to women what you're doing to men right here.
So let me get this straight. You're accusing men of shit and if they get offended over you accusing them of shit that they didn't do, well then they must be guilty of it? You're not challenging "male power", you're trying to assert your own power over men, and I'm sorry mate but that isn't going to happen because you don't come off as some new-aged intellect, you come off as a bat-shit crazy bigot.
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I don't owe you anything. You have no right to interrogate people who have been sexually abused or assaulted. No one owes you an explanation and it doesn't matter if you believe me or anyone else. (I just hope you aren't an authority figure to children.) It doesn't change the fact that it happened and it happens to people of all ages, races, sizes and genders and that the perpetrators are largely male. It's a pervasive social problem that affects people regardless of privilege. It's not a blanket accusation and the apparent fact that you took it that way says a lot more about you than it does about me.
p.s. You've got intersectionality all wrong. It's actually a pretty comprehensive, individual thing that takes people out of boxes. I'm not going to expect you to do anything as time consuming as Google the definition yourself, so here is the Wikipedia definition: "Intersectionality is the idea that social identities, related systems of oppression, domination, or discrimination, and multiple group identities intersect to create a whole that is different from the component identities." It doesn't mean 'pulling the race card' (a term which exists to excuse people who don't have to deal directly with racism from having to take responsibility for how they benefit from racism) or trying to invalidate anyone's experience of oppression by calling attention to the oppression they contribute to.
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No, you don't owe me anything, just like men don't owe you anything, including myself.
Yes, I have a right to question the legitimacy of someone's claims of being abused or claims of anything because if I didn't then I would have to blindly accept who you point to is a sexual predator.
You then add that you don't hope I'm an authority to children but I could say the exact same to you, you who tells people not to question the legitimacy of accusations.
I see I have to repeat myself. Sure, if sexual assault is primarily committed by men it does not mean that the vast majority of men take part in such actions.
Don't give me the, "If you take issue with it then you're bad" speech, I'm not one to fall for that blatent morality manipulation, I don't need to agree with you to be a good person.
Oh my God. Let me just quote a bit of our wiki quote, "and multiple group identities" GROUPS...As in, not individualism. "Oh, you're an individual, but you're being put in a group of the same individuals"....
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Neither do you, because we're clearly not talking about the same things and I'm not going to keep explaining myself, nor do I expect you to.