I didn't delete it. I don't know what you're talking about. Don't make the mistake of thinking I will apologize to you or withdraw any statement I've made in this thread. I think before I speak and I know who I am. I don't care if you don't think I'm a good person.
That's not how it works and thinking to be and actually being good is a huge difference (and everyone sees things in other ways (like your reply was the wet dream of a feminist but questionable for ohers) but I would actually love being you. I always think how things would be perfect towards most people and not just a specific group which I'm in. That would be awesome.
I'm not interested in utopia, I'm actively working in my life towards dismantling misogyny, which will not happen in my lifetime, but it's the core of why I exist on earth in this place in this body right now. You don't actually know anything about me and the work I do in the world with people of all kinds, so please hold any judgments about my quality as a person. I'm not trying to attack anyone. It's just really hard to get men to listen at all and nearly as hard get other women to speak up about their own experiences. When you're up against something that is insidious and the people who perpetuate it often aren't aware because their privilege acts as a barrier, sometimes you have to be tricky to get a conversation started, but I didn't arbitrarily tell you to fuck off and the comment is still on my page, so maybe you or someone else clicked hide? I honestly don't know all the ins and outs of this site yet. I'm just witnessing a lot of men saying really disgusting things to and about women and speaking up about it.
You aren't going to dismantle misogyny because it's not your place to police thoughts, regardless on if you agree with them or not.
That's not the problem here. I've looked through your comments and the real reason why you won't see it happen in your lifetime is because you want to see it everywhere.
Just look at the shit you say..."It's hard to get men to listen". You're belittling men at every point you have and you expect people to see your views stemming from real life epidemics of misogyny instead of you own clear sexist mindset? Do you have any idea how much help women get for their issues compared to any plight men face?
What kind of misogyny exactly? Are you talking about third world or first world? I would love to hear a few examples and yes we dont know you which is why we can't judge you, I bet you a normal socially accepted member but with different perspectives on topics like that. But does that mean that you can judge people just because they are born as male? It's just like inverted misogyny.
But yes you are right, we really sometimes dont listen to stuff like that because we are sick of hearing that we are "mansplaining" after saying arguments and most women don't speak up because they have the same rights like men (voting, having the opportunity to work,...) so tell me a few examples for what they should fight for.
I agree that there are people who think otherwise and view women as lower class but that doesnt mean that everyone is thinking like that and that you have to do the same with us.
There are a lot of layers to first world misogyny. (Have you heard the term intersectionality?) There are so many problems here in the states that I could easily devote my whole life to doing social work here and not run out of work to do even just setting things up around the country for other people to run.
I don't judge people because they were born male. (I was born male, btw. As far as the government is concerned, I am a man. I didn't bring that up before because it distracts people from what I'm talking about.) Men have gone out of their way to treat me badly. I've been raped multiple times and received death threats at my job and yes, I have severe complex PTSD, but I don't blame every man I encounter for the things that have happened to me. I blame the men who felt entitled to violate my autonomy, starting when I was a small child, but I also blame the systems of male power that allow for that to happen over and over again to all kinds of people, of all ages. And *sometimes* women are perpetrators, but everywhere I've ever lived and searched the sex offender registry to know who to be aware of, I never see more than two women and I always see at least a dozen men and there's always at least one person who should not be in the general population but is. When people say, "It's not all men," it attempts to dismiss the cold hard fact that it is almost entirely men.
Women do not have the same rights as men in this country and women (both cis and trans) still have to fight for everything. If we had the same rights, we wouldn't have to do that. Women can vote, but most of the politicians are still men and still actively work against women having rights. Sure, there are prominent women politicians now, but most of them are actively anti-feminist because if they weren't, they wouldn't have those jobs and a lot of those women defend laws and institutions that actively prevent women from having social, economic, and political power.
I can understand why people get defensive when they're called out and I did absolutely use this post to bait men into saying ignorant things so I could call them out on it. I did initially have an emotional reaction to some of the trolling that I knew would happen and that doesn't reflect well on me. However, if you know how many times I've heard all of this stuff and the actual things I've been through, you might not feel inclined to judge it.
That said, when men get defensive about being called out on actions they say don't represent them personally, I can't help but think if their hands were clean they wouldn't feel the need to defend themselves or each other. I'm challenging male power because it needs to be challenged, not to attack anyone personally who doesn't deserve it, which is exactly what men have been doing to me all my life.
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I didn't delete it. I don't know what you're talking about. Don't make the mistake of thinking I will apologize to you or withdraw any statement I've made in this thread. I think before I speak and I know who I am. I don't care if you don't think I'm a good person.
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I'm not interested in utopia, I'm actively working in my life towards dismantling misogyny, which will not happen in my lifetime, but it's the core of why I exist on earth in this place in this body right now. You don't actually know anything about me and the work I do in the world with people of all kinds, so please hold any judgments about my quality as a person. I'm not trying to attack anyone. It's just really hard to get men to listen at all and nearly as hard get other women to speak up about their own experiences. When you're up against something that is insidious and the people who perpetuate it often aren't aware because their privilege acts as a barrier, sometimes you have to be tricky to get a conversation started, but I didn't arbitrarily tell you to fuck off and the comment is still on my page, so maybe you or someone else clicked hide? I honestly don't know all the ins and outs of this site yet. I'm just witnessing a lot of men saying really disgusting things to and about women and speaking up about it.
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You aren't going to dismantle misogyny because it's not your place to police thoughts, regardless on if you agree with them or not.
That's not the problem here. I've looked through your comments and the real reason why you won't see it happen in your lifetime is because you want to see it everywhere.
Just look at the shit you say..."It's hard to get men to listen". You're belittling men at every point you have and you expect people to see your views stemming from real life epidemics of misogyny instead of you own clear sexist mindset? Do you have any idea how much help women get for their issues compared to any plight men face?
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What kind of misogyny exactly? Are you talking about third world or first world? I would love to hear a few examples and yes we dont know you which is why we can't judge you, I bet you a normal socially accepted member but with different perspectives on topics like that. But does that mean that you can judge people just because they are born as male? It's just like inverted misogyny.
But yes you are right, we really sometimes dont listen to stuff like that because we are sick of hearing that we are "mansplaining" after saying arguments and most women don't speak up because they have the same rights like men (voting, having the opportunity to work,...) so tell me a few examples for what they should fight for.
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There are a lot of layers to first world misogyny. (Have you heard the term intersectionality?) There are so many problems here in the states that I could easily devote my whole life to doing social work here and not run out of work to do even just setting things up around the country for other people to run.
I don't judge people because they were born male. (I was born male, btw. As far as the government is concerned, I am a man. I didn't bring that up before because it distracts people from what I'm talking about.) Men have gone out of their way to treat me badly. I've been raped multiple times and received death threats at my job and yes, I have severe complex PTSD, but I don't blame every man I encounter for the things that have happened to me. I blame the men who felt entitled to violate my autonomy, starting when I was a small child, but I also blame the systems of male power that allow for that to happen over and over again to all kinds of people, of all ages. And *sometimes* women are perpetrators, but everywhere I've ever lived and searched the sex offender registry to know who to be aware of, I never see more than two women and I always see at least a dozen men and there's always at least one person who should not be in the general population but is. When people say, "It's not all men," it attempts to dismiss the cold hard fact that it is almost entirely men.
Women do not have the same rights as men in this country and women (both cis and trans) still have to fight for everything. If we had the same rights, we wouldn't have to do that. Women can vote, but most of the politicians are still men and still actively work against women having rights. Sure, there are prominent women politicians now, but most of them are actively anti-feminist because if they weren't, they wouldn't have those jobs and a lot of those women defend laws and institutions that actively prevent women from having social, economic, and political power.
I can understand why people get defensive when they're called out and I did absolutely use this post to bait men into saying ignorant things so I could call them out on it. I did initially have an emotional reaction to some of the trolling that I knew would happen and that doesn't reflect well on me. However, if you know how many times I've heard all of this stuff and the actual things I've been through, you might not feel inclined to judge it.
That said, when men get defensive about being called out on actions they say don't represent them personally, I can't help but think if their hands were clean they wouldn't feel the need to defend themselves or each other. I'm challenging male power because it needs to be challenged, not to attack anyone personally who doesn't deserve it, which is exactly what men have been doing to me all my life.