Well you don't have to do this. Some guys care more about the personality.
And both genders care about appearance, like we could even see it in a way like:
Seriously girls...
Is it normal that I get pissed off when women try to tell men what we need to do (i.e., how to dress, how to or whether to wear personal care products, how to carry ourselves in public, what to say or not to say, etc.) for them to want to fuck us, like getting women to want to fuck us is ever an issue? Get over yourselves,ladies.
You can't be seriously suggesting there's the same pressure on men about their appearance as there is on women? Check out ads on tv, in magazines, on the internet, on billboards, everywhere; see if you can find dozens of magazines for teenage boys telling them how to look and behave to attract girls ......... I could go on but I don't think you're worth any more of my energy
Yes, however who are the consumers of those Ads, shows, and magazines? Other women. It's women that created that market, not men. Yes, men prefer women in shape, that's a reality, it can't be avoided, it was the mass want of women to achieve that, most likely to catch some stud themselves that is successful. You cannot blame men for the marketplace women created, that is not on us that is on the women that done so.
Why isn't there so much of it for boys? Well, on TV there's plenty of it, but why is it not as many? Because men care far less about their appearance, because they haven't given much of a marketplace for it, and in areas they do give a marketplace for it you deffo see it produced, such as physical fitness magazines which plaster well-built men in the front.
Let's not forget that there's a whole marketplace for romance novels which very much does fall in to showing how men should be sexy, but again men don't give much of a rats ass and women fill that marketplace.
Also, why come in on someone who didn't ask for you opinion and then say you're not going to waste any more of your energy as if they were just waiting for you to shine some input they never asked you for, it comes off as egotistical.
No, that market and those beauty standards were created by advertising and marketing agencies that were run by men, starting in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, to foster insecurity in and sexualize women in order to exploit them as consumers. That happened because of the industrial revolution and eventually intensified with the advent of suburban sprawl, the standardizing of electricity (hello time saving appliance) and television, which incorporated targeted advertising virtually from its beginnings as a live performance medium.) It's an intersectional phenomenon and it was embraced by many women because of technology and industry that gave women more time due to less labor in the home (washing machines, gas and electric ovens, refrigerators and equally importantly, manufactured food, particular food mixes and prepared foods, which not only took much of the labor out of cooking, but also the thinking, as well as buying raw ingredients and it's also important to note that the rise of supermarkets and fast food also had a particular effect on how women lived) and because men were the primary breadwinners, often working long hours, women became the primary consumers. I'm sure the trope of the wife spending the husband's money existed before the post-war consumer shift and the second wave of the women's movement (which was sandwiched between the African American movement and the LGBTQ+ movement) but as manufactured clothing became cheaper and make up and personal care products advanced technologically, there was a boom that was fueled by the post-WWII economic boom. WWII, as you might now, was the first time many women ever held jobs outside the home. The autonomy and freedom of movement the absence of a male dominated workforce provided during the war contrasted sharply to the increasingly empty lives women led due to advancing industry and technology, leading many women to outright refuse to continue on in the role of housewife. Women entering the workforce fed the rights movement, but a lot of women adopted beauty products and fashion in order to navigate the still male dominated work force. Mad Men is not an exaggeration, but later on you get women like Helen Gurley Brown, who was editor in chief at Cosmopolitan and is kind of credited with introducing the world to the trope of the sex positive single career woman. Sex in the City tries to be HGB, but what it really succeeds in is demonstrating how complex and often unsatisfying that is for many women who focus on self and career because it's an identity born out of capitalism and is at odds with the traditional roles of women in Western society, which of course, haven't died because they are supported by the accepted family structure, which is our primary cultural understanding of human relationships and interactions. I get what you're saying about romance novels. It's a valid thing, but maybe if women were more, as a matter of cultural course, encouraged and supported by the men in their lives and a male dominated society to live lives that weren't largely mediated through their relationships with men, which is reinforced by family, religion, and culture, as well as capitalism, (manufacturers, advertisers, and entertainment media are all intentionally fostering insecurity in women to stimulate consumerism, remember?) women wouldn't have the desire to pick out men's flaws and if more men treated the women in their lives as friends and equals (and I'm definitely not saying this is everybody, or that men should treat women as men, but as equally important, i.e., their needs matter just as much as yours and you put as much work into meeting their needs as they put into meeting yours,) a lot of those women wouldn't feel the need to even read novels about idealized men. Most women don't actually want a man who looks like Fabio. Fabio is fucking ridiculous. p.s. I love when men, (and I'm seeing it a lot on this site and this post,) call women egotistical for offering unsolicited criticism when they're doing the same fucking thing. Nobody fucking asked you what thought, either. Please consider the hypocrisy in that.
I'm not too fussy when it comes to grammar and what not, and although I can't say I've taken a liking to you, nor am I going to say it takes part in measuring your intelligence, could you please put what you say in paragraphs? It makes it easier to seperate points.
Those market places were created by people, let's just assume male (although today it certainly isn't exclusive to males), to reach a consumer group to make a profit. The industry would not of been sustainable if women were not interested, nor would it be sustainable if women did not stay interested. If some women became interested due to insecurity then that's their issue, not the free-market's. They didn't create it to make women they don't know insecure, they made it to make money, and the reason why it progressed so much is because women enjoy purchasing and viewing the products the industry creates. You're trying to blame men for what women buy, which not only devalues women as humans by taking away their agency but implies they're too emotionally immature to make decisions on what they buy to fit their wants.
Apologies but I'm drunk. I'd usually be able to pick out points from single blocks of text but not when I'm drunk so, on my part, I'm finding it difficult, so bare with me.
You say something about if men encouraged women to live life as if it isn't reliant on involvement men, and to that I say it isn't our jobs to tell you how to live your life. Sure, if a man is saying you need to live life by pleasing a man, he's an idiot and an asshole, but it isn't my place to teach you otherwise, I have my own life to lead. Aswell as that, I know for a fact women in general know this, that they don't need a man to live. The fact is that they want a man to live with, it's not a need, it's a want, a very strong want, same goes with men in regards to women, aswell as gays with gays and lesbians with lesbians, we all have that strong want to have that intimate connection to go through life with.
But what you said about romance novel men is interesting. You essentially imply that if men were better than they are then women wouldn't need romance novels, as a way to justify why women sexualize men in romance novels. You're essemtially saying that the reason why women sexualize men in romance novels is because average men don't meet the standard of the men in romance novels, and to that I have to say you're arguing against yourself. Your talk about the beauty standards can go along the same path. Men like these sexy women in magazines and TV because women don't meet the attractiveness standards men would prefer.
To make it more clear, you're saying:
The reason why women prefer men in romance novels is because they meet women's standards, even if they're very hard to obtain by the average male, regardless of if it makes men insecure.
Yet, say the reason why men prefer sexy women on TV and in magazines because they meet men's prefered standards of beauty is bad because it makes women insecure.
As for the hypocrisy part. Yes, you did ask me. You made a post on a public forum to the entire userbase. When I said it I was regarding someone who was responding to post directed to someone other than themselves. It's not hypocrisy.
I like to go to the feminist magazine websites. Just to read some of the overt hate mongering they promote. But what is also funny is most of the ads on those sites are for clothes.
If you don't understand why some women are angry, I'm just going to stare uncomfortably for awhile. Just because you find someone's emotions unattractive or you don't feel personal responsibility for your part in perpetuating their oppression, doesn't invalidate their feelings or their argument. Also, do you not wear clothes? People wear clothes. What do you think those magazines should advertise, artisanal wooden nesting dildos? Organic vulva polish? The deluxe edition of the new Tori Amos album? I really want to know what you think.
Ok, you need to stop conflating women with feminists. Most women don't subscribe with this train of thought. When you speak of your outrage and claim women in general feel the same you aren't being honest. Most women don't think like you, you're speaking from the feminist mindset, not the population of women's mindset.
I'm with you on that point. I am a female, but definitely not feminist. Schovonistic males annoy me, and so do feminist woman.
I feel like people are just caught in this perpetual cycle of wining and victim mentality and have to blame someone else for what they lack in life.
I strongly feel people are more than capable of getting whatever it is they want, but yet, majority of people have to place blame on others.
Yes, to acknowledge the original post, someone trying to tell you how to dress, think, or act to be wanted is annoying I guess, but that's not limited to just men...theres no victims here. That's why you CHOOSE who you have in your life and who you don't. That's why you CHOOSE what you will think, wear, and the way you will act. Nobody is daddy we are all adults lol
SOME women. I specifically said SOME women. Some women are feminists. I'll definitely check what I've written but I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass, it comes from twenty years of diligent research and ground work and conversations with different kinds of people from all over the world. I'm not purporting in any kind of remotely absolute way to know how anyone else thinks or feels, but speaking for myself, my identity as a feminist doesn't negate my identity as a woman. Clearly not all women are feminists. Clearly not all men are rapists. I shouldn't have to continually state that I know these things.
It's true, but some gay men treat women even worse than some straight guys do. They're affected by misogyny, too, in a lot of the same ways, but they also have male privilege and that can give a guy who feels threatened and needs to lash out at someone a lot of power to use against women with even fewer consequences that straight men (sometimes) face because if they're not interested in us sexually, why isn't it okay for them to violate our autonomy, talk over us and down to us, and on top of that, insult our appearance by upholding misogynist standards of beauty that not every woman can or wants to fulfill? I fully admit that I know this not only because it's happened to me but because I'm trans and back in the day when I thought I was a gay guy, I did some of this stuff to women and it's not an easy thing to forgive myself for. Just because we're oppressed doesn't mean we can't be oppressors, right?
Men chose to take on those things. I was there when it happened. Most of the straight guys I knew couldn't wait to shave their pubes. Women in their lives might have encouraged them to try it, but those guys, like most guys, aren't going to do something like that if it's not more for them than someone else. It's quite the opposite for women. There's a lot of cultural pressure for women to shave their legs, underarms and now, genitals, though thankfully that trend seems to be retreating. As for how often you should shave your face, that comes from standards of professional dress that were created before women even entered the workforce in significant numbers. They might be enforced or supported by women, but men as a population aren't expected to make themselves beautiful or sexually appealing in order to secure or maintain employment because they're primarily valued for their labor, but it's appalling how often women still are, particularly in work environments where women are carrying labor for men and the men are routinely given credit for the work.
You really need to read what you post. Do you just write stream of consciousness and post it raw?
Besides the numerous times you have contradicted yourself in this post, your point was that women are told how they should look. Later you pretty much stated it was in reference to social situations. What I'm saying is men have standards to which they are held as well.
Numerous time you have stated your rage at being told my men how to look. Then you said "Women in their lives might have encouraged them to try it, but those guys, like most guys, aren't going to something like that if it's not more for them than someone else." Same with women.
Women choose to go to such extremes of neoteny. Do you were shave your legs? Why? It is not required by law. If you show up to work without it you won't be sent home. If you continue to do so and someone complains you can run to your boss or HR and cry sexual harassment. If I show up to work without having dragged a razor over my throat, I get sent home. If I continue I get fired. And there is no recourse for me. No law protects my rights. I have no right to complain. It's in the employee handbook.
The very standards in society you are fighting against you disregard when it comes to men, But when it comes to women then, how dare they.
And did you just reduced men down to being only useful for physical labor? Then in the very next breath say men are altogether useless because women do everything?
Of course I'm just writing. It's the internet, not a dissertation. How do you think I've posted this many replies in 48 hours? And how did you think I should be responding? I did not contradict myself in the response you're referencing. If you don't understand nuance and context and take the time to read the thread, I'm not going to hold your hand or feed into your reactivity. I'm also not going to apologize for knowing what I know. I don't owe you anything.
Do you know what those words mean. Nuanse? You are the only person swearing on this post. Context. Read my posts. Consistent context. As, in I hold to the same meaning not webel wable to fit my inane ramblings into the topic at hand.
Yes I see that there is no further reason for a discussion because you will ignore everything what a man says unless it supports your argument 100%. Have a lovely day my lovely third wave feminist.
I didn't delete it. I don't know what you're talking about. Don't make the mistake of thinking I will apologize to you or withdraw any statement I've made in this thread. I think before I speak and I know who I am. I don't care if you don't think I'm a good person.
That's not how it works and thinking to be and actually being good is a huge difference (and everyone sees things in other ways (like your reply was the wet dream of a feminist but questionable for ohers) but I would actually love being you. I always think how things would be perfect towards most people and not just a specific group which I'm in. That would be awesome.
I'm not interested in utopia, I'm actively working in my life towards dismantling misogyny, which will not happen in my lifetime, but it's the core of why I exist on earth in this place in this body right now. You don't actually know anything about me and the work I do in the world with people of all kinds, so please hold any judgments about my quality as a person. I'm not trying to attack anyone. It's just really hard to get men to listen at all and nearly as hard get other women to speak up about their own experiences. When you're up against something that is insidious and the people who perpetuate it often aren't aware because their privilege acts as a barrier, sometimes you have to be tricky to get a conversation started, but I didn't arbitrarily tell you to fuck off and the comment is still on my page, so maybe you or someone else clicked hide? I honestly don't know all the ins and outs of this site yet. I'm just witnessing a lot of men saying really disgusting things to and about women and speaking up about it.
You aren't going to dismantle misogyny because it's not your place to police thoughts, regardless on if you agree with them or not.
That's not the problem here. I've looked through your comments and the real reason why you won't see it happen in your lifetime is because you want to see it everywhere.
Just look at the shit you say..."It's hard to get men to listen". You're belittling men at every point you have and you expect people to see your views stemming from real life epidemics of misogyny instead of you own clear sexist mindset? Do you have any idea how much help women get for their issues compared to any plight men face?
What kind of misogyny exactly? Are you talking about third world or first world? I would love to hear a few examples and yes we dont know you which is why we can't judge you, I bet you a normal socially accepted member but with different perspectives on topics like that. But does that mean that you can judge people just because they are born as male? It's just like inverted misogyny.
But yes you are right, we really sometimes dont listen to stuff like that because we are sick of hearing that we are "mansplaining" after saying arguments and most women don't speak up because they have the same rights like men (voting, having the opportunity to work,...) so tell me a few examples for what they should fight for.
I agree that there are people who think otherwise and view women as lower class but that doesnt mean that everyone is thinking like that and that you have to do the same with us.
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Well you don't have to do this. Some guys care more about the personality.
And both genders care about appearance, like we could even see it in a way like:
Seriously girls...
Is it normal that I get pissed off when women try to tell men what we need to do (i.e., how to dress, how to or whether to wear personal care products, how to carry ourselves in public, what to say or not to say, etc.) for them to want to fuck us, like getting women to want to fuck us is ever an issue? Get over yourselves,ladies.
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You can't be seriously suggesting there's the same pressure on men about their appearance as there is on women? Check out ads on tv, in magazines, on the internet, on billboards, everywhere; see if you can find dozens of magazines for teenage boys telling them how to look and behave to attract girls ......... I could go on but I don't think you're worth any more of my energy
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Yes, however who are the consumers of those Ads, shows, and magazines? Other women. It's women that created that market, not men. Yes, men prefer women in shape, that's a reality, it can't be avoided, it was the mass want of women to achieve that, most likely to catch some stud themselves that is successful. You cannot blame men for the marketplace women created, that is not on us that is on the women that done so.
Why isn't there so much of it for boys? Well, on TV there's plenty of it, but why is it not as many? Because men care far less about their appearance, because they haven't given much of a marketplace for it, and in areas they do give a marketplace for it you deffo see it produced, such as physical fitness magazines which plaster well-built men in the front.
Let's not forget that there's a whole marketplace for romance novels which very much does fall in to showing how men should be sexy, but again men don't give much of a rats ass and women fill that marketplace.
Also, why come in on someone who didn't ask for you opinion and then say you're not going to waste any more of your energy as if they were just waiting for you to shine some input they never asked you for, it comes off as egotistical.
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No, that market and those beauty standards were created by advertising and marketing agencies that were run by men, starting in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, to foster insecurity in and sexualize women in order to exploit them as consumers. That happened because of the industrial revolution and eventually intensified with the advent of suburban sprawl, the standardizing of electricity (hello time saving appliance) and television, which incorporated targeted advertising virtually from its beginnings as a live performance medium.) It's an intersectional phenomenon and it was embraced by many women because of technology and industry that gave women more time due to less labor in the home (washing machines, gas and electric ovens, refrigerators and equally importantly, manufactured food, particular food mixes and prepared foods, which not only took much of the labor out of cooking, but also the thinking, as well as buying raw ingredients and it's also important to note that the rise of supermarkets and fast food also had a particular effect on how women lived) and because men were the primary breadwinners, often working long hours, women became the primary consumers. I'm sure the trope of the wife spending the husband's money existed before the post-war consumer shift and the second wave of the women's movement (which was sandwiched between the African American movement and the LGBTQ+ movement) but as manufactured clothing became cheaper and make up and personal care products advanced technologically, there was a boom that was fueled by the post-WWII economic boom. WWII, as you might now, was the first time many women ever held jobs outside the home. The autonomy and freedom of movement the absence of a male dominated workforce provided during the war contrasted sharply to the increasingly empty lives women led due to advancing industry and technology, leading many women to outright refuse to continue on in the role of housewife. Women entering the workforce fed the rights movement, but a lot of women adopted beauty products and fashion in order to navigate the still male dominated work force. Mad Men is not an exaggeration, but later on you get women like Helen Gurley Brown, who was editor in chief at Cosmopolitan and is kind of credited with introducing the world to the trope of the sex positive single career woman. Sex in the City tries to be HGB, but what it really succeeds in is demonstrating how complex and often unsatisfying that is for many women who focus on self and career because it's an identity born out of capitalism and is at odds with the traditional roles of women in Western society, which of course, haven't died because they are supported by the accepted family structure, which is our primary cultural understanding of human relationships and interactions. I get what you're saying about romance novels. It's a valid thing, but maybe if women were more, as a matter of cultural course, encouraged and supported by the men in their lives and a male dominated society to live lives that weren't largely mediated through their relationships with men, which is reinforced by family, religion, and culture, as well as capitalism, (manufacturers, advertisers, and entertainment media are all intentionally fostering insecurity in women to stimulate consumerism, remember?) women wouldn't have the desire to pick out men's flaws and if more men treated the women in their lives as friends and equals (and I'm definitely not saying this is everybody, or that men should treat women as men, but as equally important, i.e., their needs matter just as much as yours and you put as much work into meeting their needs as they put into meeting yours,) a lot of those women wouldn't feel the need to even read novels about idealized men. Most women don't actually want a man who looks like Fabio. Fabio is fucking ridiculous. p.s. I love when men, (and I'm seeing it a lot on this site and this post,) call women egotistical for offering unsolicited criticism when they're doing the same fucking thing. Nobody fucking asked you what thought, either. Please consider the hypocrisy in that.
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I'm not too fussy when it comes to grammar and what not, and although I can't say I've taken a liking to you, nor am I going to say it takes part in measuring your intelligence, could you please put what you say in paragraphs? It makes it easier to seperate points.
Those market places were created by people, let's just assume male (although today it certainly isn't exclusive to males), to reach a consumer group to make a profit. The industry would not of been sustainable if women were not interested, nor would it be sustainable if women did not stay interested. If some women became interested due to insecurity then that's their issue, not the free-market's. They didn't create it to make women they don't know insecure, they made it to make money, and the reason why it progressed so much is because women enjoy purchasing and viewing the products the industry creates. You're trying to blame men for what women buy, which not only devalues women as humans by taking away their agency but implies they're too emotionally immature to make decisions on what they buy to fit their wants.
Apologies but I'm drunk. I'd usually be able to pick out points from single blocks of text but not when I'm drunk so, on my part, I'm finding it difficult, so bare with me.
You say something about if men encouraged women to live life as if it isn't reliant on involvement men, and to that I say it isn't our jobs to tell you how to live your life. Sure, if a man is saying you need to live life by pleasing a man, he's an idiot and an asshole, but it isn't my place to teach you otherwise, I have my own life to lead. Aswell as that, I know for a fact women in general know this, that they don't need a man to live. The fact is that they want a man to live with, it's not a need, it's a want, a very strong want, same goes with men in regards to women, aswell as gays with gays and lesbians with lesbians, we all have that strong want to have that intimate connection to go through life with.
But what you said about romance novel men is interesting. You essentially imply that if men were better than they are then women wouldn't need romance novels, as a way to justify why women sexualize men in romance novels. You're essemtially saying that the reason why women sexualize men in romance novels is because average men don't meet the standard of the men in romance novels, and to that I have to say you're arguing against yourself. Your talk about the beauty standards can go along the same path. Men like these sexy women in magazines and TV because women don't meet the attractiveness standards men would prefer.
To make it more clear, you're saying:
The reason why women prefer men in romance novels is because they meet women's standards, even if they're very hard to obtain by the average male, regardless of if it makes men insecure.
Yet, say the reason why men prefer sexy women on TV and in magazines because they meet men's prefered standards of beauty is bad because it makes women insecure.
As for the hypocrisy part. Yes, you did ask me. You made a post on a public forum to the entire userbase. When I said it I was regarding someone who was responding to post directed to someone other than themselves. It's not hypocrisy.
I like to go to the feminist magazine websites. Just to read some of the overt hate mongering they promote. But what is also funny is most of the ads on those sites are for clothes.
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If you don't understand why some women are angry, I'm just going to stare uncomfortably for awhile. Just because you find someone's emotions unattractive or you don't feel personal responsibility for your part in perpetuating their oppression, doesn't invalidate their feelings or their argument. Also, do you not wear clothes? People wear clothes. What do you think those magazines should advertise, artisanal wooden nesting dildos? Organic vulva polish? The deluxe edition of the new Tori Amos album? I really want to know what you think.
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Ok, you need to stop conflating women with feminists. Most women don't subscribe with this train of thought. When you speak of your outrage and claim women in general feel the same you aren't being honest. Most women don't think like you, you're speaking from the feminist mindset, not the population of women's mindset.
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I'm with you on that point. I am a female, but definitely not feminist. Schovonistic males annoy me, and so do feminist woman.
I feel like people are just caught in this perpetual cycle of wining and victim mentality and have to blame someone else for what they lack in life.
I strongly feel people are more than capable of getting whatever it is they want, but yet, majority of people have to place blame on others.
Yes, to acknowledge the original post, someone trying to tell you how to dress, think, or act to be wanted is annoying I guess, but that's not limited to just men...theres no victims here. That's why you CHOOSE who you have in your life and who you don't. That's why you CHOOSE what you will think, wear, and the way you will act. Nobody is daddy we are all adults lol
SOME women. I specifically said SOME women. Some women are feminists. I'll definitely check what I've written but I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass, it comes from twenty years of diligent research and ground work and conversations with different kinds of people from all over the world. I'm not purporting in any kind of remotely absolute way to know how anyone else thinks or feels, but speaking for myself, my identity as a feminist doesn't negate my identity as a woman. Clearly not all women are feminists. Clearly not all men are rapists. I shouldn't have to continually state that I know these things.
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Well to that I have to say, so what if SOME women are angry then I just have to say, so what? People get angry all the time.
Thanks for totally missing the point and womansplaining like a fucking champ. This is pretty much what I was expecting.
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Oh, no, dude. Ouch!
To be fair there's a lot of pressure on gay guys... not so much straight ones
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It's true, but some gay men treat women even worse than some straight guys do. They're affected by misogyny, too, in a lot of the same ways, but they also have male privilege and that can give a guy who feels threatened and needs to lash out at someone a lot of power to use against women with even fewer consequences that straight men (sometimes) face because if they're not interested in us sexually, why isn't it okay for them to violate our autonomy, talk over us and down to us, and on top of that, insult our appearance by upholding misogynist standards of beauty that not every woman can or wants to fulfill? I fully admit that I know this not only because it's happened to me but because I'm trans and back in the day when I thought I was a gay guy, I did some of this stuff to women and it's not an easy thing to forgive myself for. Just because we're oppressed doesn't mean we can't be oppressors, right?
Or what and how often to wax or chests, how often and how to shave our faces, How to cut our hair and how much mouse to put in.
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Men chose to take on those things. I was there when it happened. Most of the straight guys I knew couldn't wait to shave their pubes. Women in their lives might have encouraged them to try it, but those guys, like most guys, aren't going to do something like that if it's not more for them than someone else. It's quite the opposite for women. There's a lot of cultural pressure for women to shave their legs, underarms and now, genitals, though thankfully that trend seems to be retreating. As for how often you should shave your face, that comes from standards of professional dress that were created before women even entered the workforce in significant numbers. They might be enforced or supported by women, but men as a population aren't expected to make themselves beautiful or sexually appealing in order to secure or maintain employment because they're primarily valued for their labor, but it's appalling how often women still are, particularly in work environments where women are carrying labor for men and the men are routinely given credit for the work.
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You really need to read what you post. Do you just write stream of consciousness and post it raw?
Besides the numerous times you have contradicted yourself in this post, your point was that women are told how they should look. Later you pretty much stated it was in reference to social situations. What I'm saying is men have standards to which they are held as well.
Numerous time you have stated your rage at being told my men how to look. Then you said "Women in their lives might have encouraged them to try it, but those guys, like most guys, aren't going to something like that if it's not more for them than someone else." Same with women.
Women choose to go to such extremes of neoteny. Do you were shave your legs? Why? It is not required by law. If you show up to work without it you won't be sent home. If you continue to do so and someone complains you can run to your boss or HR and cry sexual harassment. If I show up to work without having dragged a razor over my throat, I get sent home. If I continue I get fired. And there is no recourse for me. No law protects my rights. I have no right to complain. It's in the employee handbook.
The very standards in society you are fighting against you disregard when it comes to men, But when it comes to women then, how dare they.
And did you just reduced men down to being only useful for physical labor? Then in the very next breath say men are altogether useless because women do everything?
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Of course I'm just writing. It's the internet, not a dissertation. How do you think I've posted this many replies in 48 hours? And how did you think I should be responding? I did not contradict myself in the response you're referencing. If you don't understand nuance and context and take the time to read the thread, I'm not going to hold your hand or feed into your reactivity. I'm also not going to apologize for knowing what I know. I don't owe you anything.
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Do you know what those words mean. Nuanse? You are the only person swearing on this post. Context. Read my posts. Consistent context. As, in I hold to the same meaning not webel wable to fit my inane ramblings into the topic at hand.
And men do not owe you anything.
Thanks for totally missing the point and mansplaining like a fucking champ. This is pretty much what I was expecting.
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"...mansplaining..."
Yes I see that there is no further reason for a discussion because you will ignore everything what a man says unless it supports your argument 100%. Have a lovely day my lovely third wave feminist.
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I'm not 'your' anything. Fuck off.
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Its so fascinating that you creatures take everything as an insult
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Which "creatures" are you addressing?
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I feel like a mermaid.
third-wave feminists
I were just checking if she would think that I'm talking about women to see how she would react so I could approve what I said in the last reply.
How nice of you to delete your reply, that's a great start to turn you into a better person :)
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I didn't delete it. I don't know what you're talking about. Don't make the mistake of thinking I will apologize to you or withdraw any statement I've made in this thread. I think before I speak and I know who I am. I don't care if you don't think I'm a good person.
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Maybe whatever I wrote got voted down by a bunch of butthurt dudes.
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Or maybe some second and third wave feminists: we are everywhere you know
That's not how it works and thinking to be and actually being good is a huge difference (and everyone sees things in other ways (like your reply was the wet dream of a feminist but questionable for ohers) but I would actually love being you. I always think how things would be perfect towards most people and not just a specific group which I'm in. That would be awesome.
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I'm not interested in utopia, I'm actively working in my life towards dismantling misogyny, which will not happen in my lifetime, but it's the core of why I exist on earth in this place in this body right now. You don't actually know anything about me and the work I do in the world with people of all kinds, so please hold any judgments about my quality as a person. I'm not trying to attack anyone. It's just really hard to get men to listen at all and nearly as hard get other women to speak up about their own experiences. When you're up against something that is insidious and the people who perpetuate it often aren't aware because their privilege acts as a barrier, sometimes you have to be tricky to get a conversation started, but I didn't arbitrarily tell you to fuck off and the comment is still on my page, so maybe you or someone else clicked hide? I honestly don't know all the ins and outs of this site yet. I'm just witnessing a lot of men saying really disgusting things to and about women and speaking up about it.
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You aren't going to dismantle misogyny because it's not your place to police thoughts, regardless on if you agree with them or not.
That's not the problem here. I've looked through your comments and the real reason why you won't see it happen in your lifetime is because you want to see it everywhere.
Just look at the shit you say..."It's hard to get men to listen". You're belittling men at every point you have and you expect people to see your views stemming from real life epidemics of misogyny instead of you own clear sexist mindset? Do you have any idea how much help women get for their issues compared to any plight men face?
Loveya sister! Stay strong and loud and proud
What kind of misogyny exactly? Are you talking about third world or first world? I would love to hear a few examples and yes we dont know you which is why we can't judge you, I bet you a normal socially accepted member but with different perspectives on topics like that. But does that mean that you can judge people just because they are born as male? It's just like inverted misogyny.
But yes you are right, we really sometimes dont listen to stuff like that because we are sick of hearing that we are "mansplaining" after saying arguments and most women don't speak up because they have the same rights like men (voting, having the opportunity to work,...) so tell me a few examples for what they should fight for.
I agree that there are people who think otherwise and view women as lower class but that doesnt mean that everyone is thinking like that and that you have to do the same with us.