The deist argument usually goes like who created the universe, it can't come from nothing. To that I answer who created god if nothing can come from nothing? This is where they special plead arguing that god is god so he created himself which is bullshit since he wasn't there to create himself. Or others argue that god was always there to which you can point back to special pleading and say the universe was always there and it requires one less layer of complexity. And what is a god made of anyway?
So what created the universe then? And what created whatever created the universe then? You can go round and round forever on this one. I don't believe in God in the Christain sense, that a giant man in a robe has lived forever and made everything, I don't believe any of that. But there is something, and to this day, no one knows for sure, and no one has come up with anything but theories for any of it
Infinite regression is my point. It's simpler from Occam's razor point of view to say the universe was always there than to postulate a god that was always there created it as a god would be an even more complex construct.
I think it was always there too. I already know that a God in the sense Christains see it can't be it, too much of it is preposterous, one "man" with such magical powers, Adam and Eve, creating every mountain, lake, ocean, animal in one week? Like I said before, a red horned guy with a pitchfork?
However, there are still incredible levels of mysteries unanswered, and even the most intelligent people ever have only come up with theories including Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Darwin, etc. Nobody knows the answers 100%. I sure don't know. I just believe that the Christain answers seem too ridiculous. And I don't believe in the big bang, something can not come from nothing, it's impossible. But, if something was here forever, how could that be? There would still have to be something before it. Saying that there was nothing makes no sense. How did everything get here to begin with? I dont know. I don't really know that if there is anything actually that is truely impossible. There's really not one answer to any of these beliefs that fits within the realm of "normal" possiblility. They are all huge mysteries nobody really is ever going to know for sure.
A large answer is time. Is it just a measurement of the occurring of two events? The idea where god created everything in 7 days is interpreted differently. Some say it is literal, and others, such as myself, say that a day was not just strictly 24 hours, because how could there be a day if no sun or earth was yet created.
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The deist argument usually goes like who created the universe, it can't come from nothing. To that I answer who created god if nothing can come from nothing? This is where they special plead arguing that god is god so he created himself which is bullshit since he wasn't there to create himself. Or others argue that god was always there to which you can point back to special pleading and say the universe was always there and it requires one less layer of complexity. And what is a god made of anyway?
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God is made of Cheerios, can't believe you didn't know that.
So what created the universe then? And what created whatever created the universe then? You can go round and round forever on this one. I don't believe in God in the Christain sense, that a giant man in a robe has lived forever and made everything, I don't believe any of that. But there is something, and to this day, no one knows for sure, and no one has come up with anything but theories for any of it
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Infinite regression is my point. It's simpler from Occam's razor point of view to say the universe was always there than to postulate a god that was always there created it as a god would be an even more complex construct.
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I think it was always there too. I already know that a God in the sense Christains see it can't be it, too much of it is preposterous, one "man" with such magical powers, Adam and Eve, creating every mountain, lake, ocean, animal in one week? Like I said before, a red horned guy with a pitchfork?
However, there are still incredible levels of mysteries unanswered, and even the most intelligent people ever have only come up with theories including Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Darwin, etc. Nobody knows the answers 100%. I sure don't know. I just believe that the Christain answers seem too ridiculous. And I don't believe in the big bang, something can not come from nothing, it's impossible. But, if something was here forever, how could that be? There would still have to be something before it. Saying that there was nothing makes no sense. How did everything get here to begin with? I dont know. I don't really know that if there is anything actually that is truely impossible. There's really not one answer to any of these beliefs that fits within the realm of "normal" possiblility. They are all huge mysteries nobody really is ever going to know for sure.
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A large answer is time. Is it just a measurement of the occurring of two events? The idea where god created everything in 7 days is interpreted differently. Some say it is literal, and others, such as myself, say that a day was not just strictly 24 hours, because how could there be a day if no sun or earth was yet created.