Just search on YouTube. There are lots of videos there debunking the concept. Here are a few (although not by scientists, but pretty bright guys nonetheless).
So, the person from the first video is effectively playing a game of "find the original cause". He's suggesting that, since an effect has to have a cause, and a choice is both effect and cause, the choice must have a cause. However, the cause must have a cause as well. So, using that logic, you can go in an unending chain of causes and effects until you reach the first cause.
This person is arguing that, since there is cause for your actions that you did not originally create, your actions are not your choice, but are rather predestined by the previous causes and effects that have acted upon you. It's honestly a pretty fancy way of saying "predestination".
I think you have no idea how to judge intelligence.
The 1st video has arguments discussed in any college introductory class of philosophy.
The 2nd video... presents part of what is known about brain processes, and then claims that part shows there is no "free will".
Here's the rest of the story: No serious scientist that I am aware of claims that free will is based in your consciousness. But in your brain and some add soul as well. Present your brain (& possibly soul) with a problem, and it can chose a solution. It then tells your consciousness what that solution is.
Likewise; a computer determines the answer before sending it to the out put device (computer screen, printer, etc.).
By not telling the full story... they can present a false conclusion; which is not in my opinion very intelligent at all.
Overall; both videos are in my opinion at the level of an incoming college Freshman. Anyone who has taken College Level "Introduction to Philosophy" should be able to present counter arguments and equally, and perhaps more, valid theories.
I suggest you get a copy of the textbook used for college level introduction to philosophy if you are really interested in moving ahead with these kinds of issues.
Also note, both videos only present theories; and there are alternate theories. Nether video came anywhere close to debunking the concept of Free Will (even if someone says they do).
Please develop yourself and keep pursuing questions. It would also serve you better in the future to present things as "Theories" versus facts when having philosophical discussions.
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I disagree with that. I know a great many scientist, and not a one of them think that people don't have free will.
What is the source of the "theory" that people don't have free will. Please cite it.
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Just search on YouTube. There are lots of videos there debunking the concept. Here are a few (although not by scientists, but pretty bright guys nonetheless).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwaXqep-bpk&t=14s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Oyi1T-HmU&t=5s
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So, the person from the first video is effectively playing a game of "find the original cause". He's suggesting that, since an effect has to have a cause, and a choice is both effect and cause, the choice must have a cause. However, the cause must have a cause as well. So, using that logic, you can go in an unending chain of causes and effects until you reach the first cause.
This person is arguing that, since there is cause for your actions that you did not originally create, your actions are not your choice, but are rather predestined by the previous causes and effects that have acted upon you. It's honestly a pretty fancy way of saying "predestination".
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Right now I'm watchin Big Poppa Peterson. 😎
https://youtu.be/vpqoQ-zGxBM
Precisely! It left a bad, sort of Calvinist taste in my mouth... meh. 🤢🤮
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Hehe... that's the school I grew up out of (so to speak, since I was raised atheist). I still respect them for their commitment to the Word.
I think you have no idea how to judge intelligence.
The 1st video has arguments discussed in any college introductory class of philosophy.
The 2nd video... presents part of what is known about brain processes, and then claims that part shows there is no "free will".
Here's the rest of the story: No serious scientist that I am aware of claims that free will is based in your consciousness. But in your brain and some add soul as well. Present your brain (& possibly soul) with a problem, and it can chose a solution. It then tells your consciousness what that solution is.
Likewise; a computer determines the answer before sending it to the out put device (computer screen, printer, etc.).
By not telling the full story... they can present a false conclusion; which is not in my opinion very intelligent at all.
Overall; both videos are in my opinion at the level of an incoming college Freshman. Anyone who has taken College Level "Introduction to Philosophy" should be able to present counter arguments and equally, and perhaps more, valid theories.
I suggest you get a copy of the textbook used for college level introduction to philosophy if you are really interested in moving ahead with these kinds of issues.
Also note, both videos only present theories; and there are alternate theories. Nether video came anywhere close to debunking the concept of Free Will (even if someone says they do).
Please develop yourself and keep pursuing questions. It would also serve you better in the future to present things as "Theories" versus facts when having philosophical discussions.
Have a great day,