The problem is, you're advocating for a standard when you know nothing about guns or the majority of people who own them. As if you wouldn't vote anti-gun? That's literally how regular people 'make laws'...they vote based on these beliefs. Of course people get defensive when ignorant people step up and decide they want to make the rules. People who have (admittedly) no knowledge of guns and no personal need for them. No interest in them. Just a knee-jerk reaction to a random tragedy.
What do you mean by "anti gun"?. I said I am pro second amendment. If I was voting on a ban of all firearms, I would vote against that ban (at least at this time). If you mean that I would potentially vote for regulations, then you would be correct.
I didn't say that I was the right one to decide how many "shots" would be appropriate. Or what type of regulations should be placed on firearms. I was advocating a overall, general viewpoint on the logic behind regulation in general.
Random tragedy? Is that what you call it? Random? Really? with all the mass shootings within the last decade or so... you want to say it's random? It's not random. There was a motive in all of those shootings and there was also a way that the person was able to carry out those shootings with the help of certain tools. It's not random.
And I'll tell you something else. Just because I'm not a gun owner, doesn't mean that I and others don't have a say in the gun laws. We walk the same streets as you do and we all have a right to feel safe. If you want to own guns, that's fine. But there is a line to be drawn.
And thats exactly the point here. You're in no danger from law abiding responsible gun owners. Your in danger from whack jobs that would ignore or circumvent the laws. So again 20k+ gun laws and tragedies STILL happen. Obviously gun legislation is NOT the answer.
If you can explaib how another law which would be ignorned by a maniac would change anything I would gladly hear you out. But so far your only saying things that would be less than effective.
Whack jobs that legally purchase guns... and are law abiding gun owners... until they do something terrible. It's only after they do the terrible thing that they are a "whack job".
Look at Charli's comment above. That makes some of my point for me. But like I said, I am not advocating a specific law, so I don't know what you guys are so hung up about. Plus I already kind of described wayyyy up there back quite a few comments on your comment how regulations can be beneficial.
How do you know that they haven't stopped crimes? It's going to be very hard to stop all shootings, but we can at least reduce the number. How do you know that it hasn't helped? Maybe because of some of those laws, a few people have been turned down at a gun shop who would have done something bad. Maybe because of some of those laws, it took the criminals longer to obtain the type of weapon that they wanted, and gave law enforcement enough time to catch on to what was going on.
Maybe because of some of those laws, someone was arrested for illegally possessing a firearm on a traffic stop where they were on the way to do something bad. It's hard to judge the effectiveness of gun laws, because the whole idea is prevention. Maybe some people attempted an attack with a sharp object instead of a gun because they couldn't get one quick enough to do what they wanted to do. It can make a difference.
And by the way, that 20k number... I bet that a lot of those regulations are for tiny little things. That number probably includes every gun law for each individual state, even if some are more or less redundant from one state to another. That probably also includes regulations for each and every type and brand, manufacturing regulations etc. 20k sounds like a lot, but it's really probably not as many as it seems. A lot of those laws are probably redundant and/or just technicalities and clarifications of other laws.
I mean at this point, if you choose not to see anything I am saying, then I'll agree to disagree. No hard feelings toward you or anything... I just am not really sure what else to say haha. This is why I usually refrain for these types of topics, but I figured "what the heck" on this one. Obviously more than I bargained for lol.
Lots of very uninformed "maybes" in there. Funny how you want to point to tragedies thay HAVE occured when it suits you and all of them that didn't happen when it suits you. I'm done with arguing with someone that doesn't understand what there talking about. If ignorance is bliss you must be very happy indeed. Enjoy fantasy land it seems to suit you. Feel free to get the last word I won't be reading anymore of your uninformed opinions.
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The problem is, you're advocating for a standard when you know nothing about guns or the majority of people who own them. As if you wouldn't vote anti-gun? That's literally how regular people 'make laws'...they vote based on these beliefs. Of course people get defensive when ignorant people step up and decide they want to make the rules. People who have (admittedly) no knowledge of guns and no personal need for them. No interest in them. Just a knee-jerk reaction to a random tragedy.
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What do you mean by "anti gun"?. I said I am pro second amendment. If I was voting on a ban of all firearms, I would vote against that ban (at least at this time). If you mean that I would potentially vote for regulations, then you would be correct.
I didn't say that I was the right one to decide how many "shots" would be appropriate. Or what type of regulations should be placed on firearms. I was advocating a overall, general viewpoint on the logic behind regulation in general.
Random tragedy? Is that what you call it? Random? Really? with all the mass shootings within the last decade or so... you want to say it's random? It's not random. There was a motive in all of those shootings and there was also a way that the person was able to carry out those shootings with the help of certain tools. It's not random.
And I'll tell you something else. Just because I'm not a gun owner, doesn't mean that I and others don't have a say in the gun laws. We walk the same streets as you do and we all have a right to feel safe. If you want to own guns, that's fine. But there is a line to be drawn.
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And thats exactly the point here. You're in no danger from law abiding responsible gun owners. Your in danger from whack jobs that would ignore or circumvent the laws. So again 20k+ gun laws and tragedies STILL happen. Obviously gun legislation is NOT the answer.
If you can explaib how another law which would be ignorned by a maniac would change anything I would gladly hear you out. But so far your only saying things that would be less than effective.
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Whack jobs that legally purchase guns... and are law abiding gun owners... until they do something terrible. It's only after they do the terrible thing that they are a "whack job".
Look at Charli's comment above. That makes some of my point for me. But like I said, I am not advocating a specific law, so I don't know what you guys are so hung up about. Plus I already kind of described wayyyy up there back quite a few comments on your comment how regulations can be beneficial.
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There are already regulations... 20k+ of them. If they haven't stopped shooting tragedies how will another change anything?
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How do you know that they haven't stopped crimes? It's going to be very hard to stop all shootings, but we can at least reduce the number. How do you know that it hasn't helped? Maybe because of some of those laws, a few people have been turned down at a gun shop who would have done something bad. Maybe because of some of those laws, it took the criminals longer to obtain the type of weapon that they wanted, and gave law enforcement enough time to catch on to what was going on.
Maybe because of some of those laws, someone was arrested for illegally possessing a firearm on a traffic stop where they were on the way to do something bad. It's hard to judge the effectiveness of gun laws, because the whole idea is prevention. Maybe some people attempted an attack with a sharp object instead of a gun because they couldn't get one quick enough to do what they wanted to do. It can make a difference.
And by the way, that 20k number... I bet that a lot of those regulations are for tiny little things. That number probably includes every gun law for each individual state, even if some are more or less redundant from one state to another. That probably also includes regulations for each and every type and brand, manufacturing regulations etc. 20k sounds like a lot, but it's really probably not as many as it seems. A lot of those laws are probably redundant and/or just technicalities and clarifications of other laws.
I mean at this point, if you choose not to see anything I am saying, then I'll agree to disagree. No hard feelings toward you or anything... I just am not really sure what else to say haha. This is why I usually refrain for these types of topics, but I figured "what the heck" on this one. Obviously more than I bargained for lol.
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Lots of very uninformed "maybes" in there. Funny how you want to point to tragedies thay HAVE occured when it suits you and all of them that didn't happen when it suits you. I'm done with arguing with someone that doesn't understand what there talking about. If ignorance is bliss you must be very happy indeed. Enjoy fantasy land it seems to suit you. Feel free to get the last word I won't be reading anymore of your uninformed opinions.