I think what people fail to so in these types of discussion is define the terms. God is very personal. God is not a person. This idea that we are made in his image is only a fraction of the truth. All life is. God is Everything. For me, I see it as energy, that spark. It isn't some anthropomorphized version of myself. How ego centric of us.
God was "invented" as a way for us to explain the world around us. It is how our brain makes sense of things. I truly believe it is in our design. The truth is too much for our brains. As intelligent as we are, reality of the universe would make us literally crazy. We cannot handle the truth.
Intelligence is another idea that needs defining before we start popping off about what has it and what does not. Is it the ability to communicate? And if so, do we only claim intelligence from our perspective and understanding. We are so egocentric.
You may think that the meaning of life has whatever meaning you want to attach to it. But the true meaning of life is very simple, only one person in a thousand can actually understand it. The true meaning was posted on the following list that was posted seven years ago. I cannot say which one it is for fate will destroy me to keep the meaning hidden. Whoever OP is is living in danger to have put such a thinly veiled truth in view of the masses.
Do you think the meaning of life is hidden in this list of possible revelations.
1. There is no meaning of life, nor is there meaning to the universe, or space/time. These things simply exist.
2. That life will always fill physical voids due to the self-replicating characteristics of DNA.
3. That ever increasing levels of self-replicating complexity will eventually become more adaptive to the environment. For example, DNA -> cellular -> organisms -> learned and instinctive responses -> culture and social organization, etc.
4. That at the very core of human consciousness lies the irresistible desire to have sex, procreate, nurture and shelter the young, and pass along adaptive culture and knowledge to future generations.
5. Life is simply a medium that carries karma or spirituality.
6. Other. Please add your wisdom to this post.
What I was attempting to explain is how intelligent of a design anatomy is. The heart supplies the blood, the lungs provide oxygen, the colon dispels toxins, the liver detoxes, the brain and gut keeps all the organs running, the muscles protect the bones. That is very similar in some ways as an automobile. You know, the automobile has an engine with a waterpump, fans, pistons, exhaust system, and ect. Of course we know the automobile was created by something intelligent. But to me a mammals body is just as intelligent and its hard to wrap my mind around it creating itself out of 0 intelligence.
Its just hard for me to wrap my brain around that cells just came together to form such an amazing design through trial and error over many years. Maybe like you said God isnt something we can understand. But I think something intelligent designed the world.
Life mimics life. I think we understood the human body enough to duplicate its basic concepts. It is how the world works and how we understand everything. The planet itself breathes through the changing of the seasons.
It's the idea that something created it that I cannot get behind. And that it is intelligent. Intelligence can only be understood through our perspective of it. It is a human concept and not a universal concept.
Too often we attach human qualities to non human things. This is the only way we really know how to make sense of the world, but it does not mean it is accurate.
I dont rule out anything. I have a hard time debating with most people about things like this. You said "its the idea that something created it that I can not get behind". That shows there that you are not willing to even hear other view points. You probably didn't even think about what I said. It's called confirmation bias.
That isn't what confirmation bias is. Nothing new has been presented to confirm or deny any sort of belief. You posed that an intelligent being made these machines we call our bodies. I only meant that the idea of calling our bodies a machine is not new and predates the modern use of the word.
I am completely willing to hear a different viewpoint. How do you think I got to where I am today? I am asking you to think about the words you are using. Intelligence and machine have meaning beyond the human construct. This is me asking you to literally have a different view outside the human one.
But this reply feels like you are trying to have issue with my words.
So let me rephrase in an effort to communicate more clearly. I have a hard time visualizing intelligent design because I wonder what designed that? How did that energy evolve? How did come to fruition in the first place? I am open to hearing you, but you have to say something of substance and not just a talking point.
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I think what people fail to so in these types of discussion is define the terms. God is very personal. God is not a person. This idea that we are made in his image is only a fraction of the truth. All life is. God is Everything. For me, I see it as energy, that spark. It isn't some anthropomorphized version of myself. How ego centric of us.
God was "invented" as a way for us to explain the world around us. It is how our brain makes sense of things. I truly believe it is in our design. The truth is too much for our brains. As intelligent as we are, reality of the universe would make us literally crazy. We cannot handle the truth.
Intelligence is another idea that needs defining before we start popping off about what has it and what does not. Is it the ability to communicate? And if so, do we only claim intelligence from our perspective and understanding. We are so egocentric.
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You may think that the meaning of life has whatever meaning you want to attach to it. But the true meaning of life is very simple, only one person in a thousand can actually understand it. The true meaning was posted on the following list that was posted seven years ago. I cannot say which one it is for fate will destroy me to keep the meaning hidden. Whoever OP is is living in danger to have put such a thinly veiled truth in view of the masses.
Do you think the meaning of life is hidden in this list of possible revelations.
1. There is no meaning of life, nor is there meaning to the universe, or space/time. These things simply exist.
2. That life will always fill physical voids due to the self-replicating characteristics of DNA.
3. That ever increasing levels of self-replicating complexity will eventually become more adaptive to the environment. For example, DNA -> cellular -> organisms -> learned and instinctive responses -> culture and social organization, etc.
4. That at the very core of human consciousness lies the irresistible desire to have sex, procreate, nurture and shelter the young, and pass along adaptive culture and knowledge to future generations.
5. Life is simply a medium that carries karma or spirituality.
6. Other. Please add your wisdom to this post.
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The answer is #2.
What I was attempting to explain is how intelligent of a design anatomy is. The heart supplies the blood, the lungs provide oxygen, the colon dispels toxins, the liver detoxes, the brain and gut keeps all the organs running, the muscles protect the bones. That is very similar in some ways as an automobile. You know, the automobile has an engine with a waterpump, fans, pistons, exhaust system, and ect. Of course we know the automobile was created by something intelligent. But to me a mammals body is just as intelligent and its hard to wrap my mind around it creating itself out of 0 intelligence.
Its just hard for me to wrap my brain around that cells just came together to form such an amazing design through trial and error over many years. Maybe like you said God isnt something we can understand. But I think something intelligent designed the world.
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Life mimics life. I think we understood the human body enough to duplicate its basic concepts. It is how the world works and how we understand everything. The planet itself breathes through the changing of the seasons.
It's the idea that something created it that I cannot get behind. And that it is intelligent. Intelligence can only be understood through our perspective of it. It is a human concept and not a universal concept.
Too often we attach human qualities to non human things. This is the only way we really know how to make sense of the world, but it does not mean it is accurate.
The universe simply is.
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I dont rule out anything. I have a hard time debating with most people about things like this. You said "its the idea that something created it that I can not get behind". That shows there that you are not willing to even hear other view points. You probably didn't even think about what I said. It's called confirmation bias.
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That isn't what confirmation bias is. Nothing new has been presented to confirm or deny any sort of belief. You posed that an intelligent being made these machines we call our bodies. I only meant that the idea of calling our bodies a machine is not new and predates the modern use of the word.
I am completely willing to hear a different viewpoint. How do you think I got to where I am today? I am asking you to think about the words you are using. Intelligence and machine have meaning beyond the human construct. This is me asking you to literally have a different view outside the human one.
But this reply feels like you are trying to have issue with my words.
So let me rephrase in an effort to communicate more clearly. I have a hard time visualizing intelligent design because I wonder what designed that? How did that energy evolve? How did come to fruition in the first place? I am open to hearing you, but you have to say something of substance and not just a talking point.
I'll even take starseed theory.