That's probably one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard from a pro-birther ever. Yes, I say pro-birth because you don't care about the kids after they're a fetus. Let's get something straight; someone elses abortion has nothing to do with you. It's none of your business, it doesn't affect you. It's a medical procedure many women undergo for a variety of reasons, none of which have to appease you. As a Nurse, I've seen incidents of women having to have an abortion after they had an abnormal pap smear, found out they had cervical cancer, and that they were pregnant all at once. Women who had ectopic pregnancies and had to abort. I've heard cases of women who want to keep their pregnancy, finding out that the fetus has an abnormality and they abort out of compassion and because the fetus most likely will be stillborn or die shortly after birth.
You are not pro-life. You are anti choice. If you were pro-life you would spend an actual empathetic moment imagining these women who already have lives, dreams and are actual independently functioning human beings, having to make that decision. You care more about what a fetus could hypothetically become, than a woman who already exists.
I am personally pro-choice, because even though I'd never abort unless it was a matter of congenital abnormality, I have no right to make that decision for complete strangers who have nothing to do with me. Mind your own fucking business, in short.
Thank you for that response, you saved me the trouble, except I have to point out that people with disabilities are quite rightly upset when an abnormality is seen as the only reason for an abortion, because it's indicating the life of someone with a disability is worth less
Oh using capital letters is SO scary. BLEH.
It's people with your thinking that have irresponsible behaviour as well. It's not a kid now so we can kill it...yes it is killing. Just as a plant grows and you destroy it, just as an embryo is in a seed. The whole point is to not encourage promiscuous behaviour and teenage pregnancy by inculcating the thought that people can get away Scot free by abortion and hold no responsibility for their actions.
Funny you mention plants. I do a lot of gardening and to do it right, you have to cut off flowers and kill seedlings all the time. Sometines they even deprive each other of nutrients. Shoukd we discourage promiscuous behavior in plants? Prohibit bees from getting too active?
I also do gardening and haven't killed any of my seedlings unless they are destroyed by some external forces. Anyway I'm not interested in arguing with your extension of your plant analogy. You too with the presumptions. No I'm not an extremist in thinking like you nor did I say humans should behave like animals. I merely drew an analogy by which you are digressing hopelessly, and of course you know that lol
PS: I forgot to reply to your conclusion jumping in relation to my personal sexual behaviour.
I'm 68 and have been sexually active since the age of 13, at which period in history contraception was virtually non-existent.
I've had two false alarm pregnancy scares in my life when I considered abortion, once when I was 15 and the adult male concerned assured me he wouldn't get me pregnant and much later when I thought I was pregnant to the husband I was about to leave.
I plead guilty to being "irresponsible" as a teenager, that's what teenagers are like, but I regard it as far more irresponsible these days for contraception to not be freely available to anyone who's sexually active or planning to be.
The alternative, as I keep saying, is compulsory motherhood!
Oh but it wasn't compulsory sex either. The child deserves to live regardless of what people of your opinion say or do. You have done abortions, you should be feeling sorry for it not encouraging it. No one is forcing you to take care of the child either.
I have never "done abortions" or had an abortion, but I have campaigned for women's right to control our own bodies and will continue to do so. What "it" should I be feeling sorry?
Some pregnancies do result from compulsory sex - ie rape - or from failed contraception.
I repeat, the alternative is COMPULSORY MOTHERHOOD
No one told u to decide either whether the child should be born or not. That is it's right! There are lots of people who have unwanted pregnancies who later appreciate their children. Basically it's wrong for the mother or father to decide whether the child should live or not.
It's not a child and a woman is definitely a human being with the right to decide whether or not to continue an unwanted pregnancy. It's wrong to force women to carry and give birth to children they don't want: wrong for the woman, wrong for the resulting child and wrong for society
So the only alternative you can think of for accidental pregnancy is compulsory motherhood, which of course doesn't affect the male involved one iota? Presumably you're therefore in favour of contraception being widely and freely available?
By the way, pregnancy can obviously result from a single act, not necessarily promiscuity, whatever you mean by that, presumably the female's behaviour?
Do you ever give any thought to the subsequent effects on children of being born to a parent or parents who didn't want them?
I'm not thinking of anything you're presuming lol. It's not an ideal world in which people take responsibility but I am encouraging that responsibility should be taken. You commit the action now take responsibility of the child. Stop making presumptions of what I think. Ok let me tell you, I don't think it's the females fault definitely both partners take the responsibility or should be taking it. I don't think you know how many problems there are in every household across the world where some children have to work to support their own parents, where sometimes the parents cannot feed their children and make them live because there is no food. They watch as their kids diminish before them, helpless. The difficulty of life belongs to everyone. Every person has their test and while circumstances can be favourable for some and not for others, the challenges are everywhere. Its true that there are dysfunctional homes but some of the best people thrive through it and succeed. It's not a persons background that should be blamed for their character. We choose to have the personality we do and when that child grows it will know the possibility for change.
Thank you, it's just so frustrating sometimes, how people just disregard an entire side of a debate because they're emotional and refuse to see things logically for what they are.
As I stare at your comment, boredly munching through a packet of Doritos I must say I do feel very emotional indeed. By the way, you just said you're frustrated. Anyway, let's begin.
-"Yes, I say pro-birth because you don't care about the kids after they're a fetus."
You, like the guy who's comment is at the very top, have not the slightest clue of what I care and don't care about.
-"someone elses abortion has nothing to do with you"
Orly? Well, why would I care about the Holocaust? Adolf's business is none of mine, neither is that of the Jews amyrite?
Furthermore, it is my money as a tax payer that is being used to fund the procedures (and treatment for smokers who end up fucking their lungs over).
-You go on to list a variety of reasons for abortion. Well Ms.Nurse, it doesn't change statistics, which say that the majority of abortions are carried out for convenience, or because someone wasn't smart enough to hit the condom store before fucking someone right in the pussy. Abortion ain't contraception M'am.
-"spend an actual empathetic moment imagining these women who already have lives, dreams"
You're a woman. Of course, it's all about you, as always? Forgetting the little dude/dudette inside you that would really like a shot at life? Yeah, that's it.
-It seems you've forgotten that in the vaaaaast majority of cases, the mother would not be harmed by giving birth.
-I am not trying to make decisions for people. I am trying to put to shame and hinder those that have or consider ending their offspring's life for no good reason.
You have to be a male with no concern at all for how a woman feels carrying an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy and then through the childbirth experience.
If you really think women aren't harmed by this you are obviously incapable of either empathy or the ability to face facts.
As the Italian women is supposed to have said to a pope decades ago: "You don't playa da game, you don't get to makea the rules"
Women are harmed when having an abortion. Having an abortion can possibly prevent a woman from having any other children in the future. There is also other emotional repercussions from having an abortion as well. Having an abortion isn't just an easy fix.
Women are more likely to be injured during birth, than from abortions, if both are preformed cleanly and safely from a medical care facility. Sorry to burst your bubble.
All your points can be eloquently summed up as; not your body not your choice. Unless you're gonna be adopting that kid that's supposedly being aborted, or you're going to donate towards foster care services you have no say whatsoever. That's the great part; you don't have to agree. It's still legal. And if it were illegal, women would still be getting them, only more women would be dying from botched back alley procedures. You're prolife when it comes to a fetus but you couldn't give a fuck about the life of the mother, that's quite obvious.
It's not up to you to decide if their "reason" is "good enough" for you, because once more, it's none of your business and has absolutely nothing to do with you.
No surrender! I know the going gets tough when people go around like their crap doesn't stink and think they can write the unwritten laws for the sake of their own asses.
But if I, and you, and others join forces - then maybe one day we will live to see the change that our hearts so earnestly seek.
Therefore! Do not break, do not fail, for our time has not yet come. It is our mission, our duty to fulfil the reason our light shines so bright to penetrate the veil of darkness that hinders our emancipation from mental bondage and slavery.
With your master trolling and comedic abilities, and my off the chart wit and spectacular analitical power, what can stop us? Never fail to stand up for what you believe in - and know that thou are not aloneth.
That sentence was nothing but word salad, with no actual logical construct. Not everyone believes in fairy tales and "sins", get the fuck over it, armchair activist.
The fact that this comment has received so many up-votes is proof positive that the average intelligence of this site is low.
Without investing too much effort addressing this brain-dead mess.....
"It's none of your business, it doesn't affect you."
Child molestation is none of your or my business; it doesn't affect us. Therefore, by your logic, it is okay.
"You care more about what a fetus could hypothetically become, than a woman who already exists."
We could just as easily use this argument to justify the murder of a 3-year-old child, if the life of said child could be proven to in any way infringe on the liberties of a particular given adult.
Or maybe, just maybe, it's proof that there are intelligent people who can understand this procedure from a non-emotionally reactive stand point.
Child molestation has nothing to do with abortion, stop comparing apples to oranges.
You could use the argument on a three year old if you want to sound like an idiot. A three year old is an independently functioning organism; a fetus is not, which is the entire fucking point and why there's an age of viability. You don't get to turn women into living incubators because a completely legal and medically acceptable procedure hurts you feelings.
So, what do you guys actually do for these women other than berate them and try to shame them because you're on a religious/moral pedestal above everyone else?
"Child molestation has nothing to do with abortion, stop comparing apples to oranges."
If you were willing to objectively evaluate my argument you would see that it is, in fact, a perfectly valid comparison.
"A three year old is an independently functioning organism; a fetus is not, which is the entire fucking point and why there's an age of viability."
So. What. Killing kids is killing kids. I'm sorry but I simply don't know how to make this any clearer for you.
"So, what do you guys actually do for these women other than berate them and try to shame them because you're on a religious/moral pedestal above everyone else?"
If being vocally opposed to killing innocent people suggests that I speak from a "moral pedestal" then so be it.
I am looking at it objectively. You're comparing a child that has been born to a fetus that is developing in the body of an independent organism and calling them the same. They're not the same legally, they're not the same developmentally, the only thing they have is common is that they're the same species.
Interesting that you responded to all of my points but the last one, so I ask again: So, what do you guys actually do for these women other than berate them and try to shame them because you're on a religious/moral pedestal above everyone else?
Maybe someone should give you a clearly worded lecture on how contraceptives and condoms aren't 100% effective and can fail for a variety of reasons.
What's even more ironic is that the Republicans who claim to be so staunchly pro-life are continually battling to restrict women's access to birth control, thereby increasing the rates of unwanted pregnancy and the need for abortion, consequently. Viagra is covered under most health insurance plans and birth control isn't. That's part of your problem. That, combined with these states that teach abstinence only bullshit who have astronomical rates of teen pregnancy due to elaborate misinformation.
"average intelligence of this site is low." HOLY SHIT !! You just dropped a MOAB!! (sarcasm) .... Don't expect fact or logic to get upvoted, komment karma has turned me into a troll. Fuck the legitimacy of this site for it died years ago jn its haydays
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That's probably one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard from a pro-birther ever. Yes, I say pro-birth because you don't care about the kids after they're a fetus. Let's get something straight; someone elses abortion has nothing to do with you. It's none of your business, it doesn't affect you. It's a medical procedure many women undergo for a variety of reasons, none of which have to appease you. As a Nurse, I've seen incidents of women having to have an abortion after they had an abnormal pap smear, found out they had cervical cancer, and that they were pregnant all at once. Women who had ectopic pregnancies and had to abort. I've heard cases of women who want to keep their pregnancy, finding out that the fetus has an abnormality and they abort out of compassion and because the fetus most likely will be stillborn or die shortly after birth.
You are not pro-life. You are anti choice. If you were pro-life you would spend an actual empathetic moment imagining these women who already have lives, dreams and are actual independently functioning human beings, having to make that decision. You care more about what a fetus could hypothetically become, than a woman who already exists.
I am personally pro-choice, because even though I'd never abort unless it was a matter of congenital abnormality, I have no right to make that decision for complete strangers who have nothing to do with me. Mind your own fucking business, in short.
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Thank you for that response, you saved me the trouble, except I have to point out that people with disabilities are quite rightly upset when an abnormality is seen as the only reason for an abortion, because it's indicating the life of someone with a disability is worth less
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Oh using capital letters is SO scary. BLEH.
It's people with your thinking that have irresponsible behaviour as well. It's not a kid now so we can kill it...yes it is killing. Just as a plant grows and you destroy it, just as an embryo is in a seed. The whole point is to not encourage promiscuous behaviour and teenage pregnancy by inculcating the thought that people can get away Scot free by abortion and hold no responsibility for their actions.
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Funny you mention plants. I do a lot of gardening and to do it right, you have to cut off flowers and kill seedlings all the time. Sometines they even deprive each other of nutrients. Shoukd we discourage promiscuous behavior in plants? Prohibit bees from getting too active?
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I also do gardening and haven't killed any of my seedlings unless they are destroyed by some external forces. Anyway I'm not interested in arguing with your extension of your plant analogy. You too with the presumptions. No I'm not an extremist in thinking like you nor did I say humans should behave like animals. I merely drew an analogy by which you are digressing hopelessly, and of course you know that lol
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You must be a terrible gardner. But you don't seem to respect life much. Just make it, but not care for it. Lol
PS: I forgot to reply to your conclusion jumping in relation to my personal sexual behaviour.
I'm 68 and have been sexually active since the age of 13, at which period in history contraception was virtually non-existent.
I've had two false alarm pregnancy scares in my life when I considered abortion, once when I was 15 and the adult male concerned assured me he wouldn't get me pregnant and much later when I thought I was pregnant to the husband I was about to leave.
I plead guilty to being "irresponsible" as a teenager, that's what teenagers are like, but I regard it as far more irresponsible these days for contraception to not be freely available to anyone who's sexually active or planning to be.
The alternative, as I keep saying, is compulsory motherhood!
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Oh but it wasn't compulsory sex either. The child deserves to live regardless of what people of your opinion say or do. You have done abortions, you should be feeling sorry for it not encouraging it. No one is forcing you to take care of the child either.
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I have never "done abortions" or had an abortion, but I have campaigned for women's right to control our own bodies and will continue to do so. What "it" should I be feeling sorry?
Some pregnancies do result from compulsory sex - ie rape - or from failed contraception.
I repeat, the alternative is COMPULSORY MOTHERHOOD
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It's not a child and a woman is definitely a human being with the right to decide whether or not to continue an unwanted pregnancy. It's wrong to force women to carry and give birth to children they don't want: wrong for the woman, wrong for the resulting child and wrong for society
So the only alternative you can think of for accidental pregnancy is compulsory motherhood, which of course doesn't affect the male involved one iota? Presumably you're therefore in favour of contraception being widely and freely available?
By the way, pregnancy can obviously result from a single act, not necessarily promiscuity, whatever you mean by that, presumably the female's behaviour?
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I'm not thinking of anything you're presuming lol. It's not an ideal world in which people take responsibility but I am encouraging that responsibility should be taken. You commit the action now take responsibility of the child. Stop making presumptions of what I think. Ok let me tell you, I don't think it's the females fault definitely both partners take the responsibility or should be taking it. I don't think you know how many problems there are in every household across the world where some children have to work to support their own parents, where sometimes the parents cannot feed their children and make them live because there is no food. They watch as their kids diminish before them, helpless. The difficulty of life belongs to everyone. Every person has their test and while circumstances can be favourable for some and not for others, the challenges are everywhere. Its true that there are dysfunctional homes but some of the best people thrive through it and succeed. It's not a persons background that should be blamed for their character. We choose to have the personality we do and when that child grows it will know the possibility for change.
That was very well said!
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Thank you, it's just so frustrating sometimes, how people just disregard an entire side of a debate because they're emotional and refuse to see things logically for what they are.
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As I stare at your comment, boredly munching through a packet of Doritos I must say I do feel very emotional indeed. By the way, you just said you're frustrated. Anyway, let's begin.
-"Yes, I say pro-birth because you don't care about the kids after they're a fetus."
You, like the guy who's comment is at the very top, have not the slightest clue of what I care and don't care about.
-"someone elses abortion has nothing to do with you"
Orly? Well, why would I care about the Holocaust? Adolf's business is none of mine, neither is that of the Jews amyrite?
Furthermore, it is my money as a tax payer that is being used to fund the procedures (and treatment for smokers who end up fucking their lungs over).
-You go on to list a variety of reasons for abortion. Well Ms.Nurse, it doesn't change statistics, which say that the majority of abortions are carried out for convenience, or because someone wasn't smart enough to hit the condom store before fucking someone right in the pussy. Abortion ain't contraception M'am.
-"spend an actual empathetic moment imagining these women who already have lives, dreams"
You're a woman. Of course, it's all about you, as always? Forgetting the little dude/dudette inside you that would really like a shot at life? Yeah, that's it.
-It seems you've forgotten that in the vaaaaast majority of cases, the mother would not be harmed by giving birth.
-I am not trying to make decisions for people. I am trying to put to shame and hinder those that have or consider ending their offspring's life for no good reason.
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You have to be a male with no concern at all for how a woman feels carrying an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy and then through the childbirth experience.
If you really think women aren't harmed by this you are obviously incapable of either empathy or the ability to face facts.
As the Italian women is supposed to have said to a pope decades ago: "You don't playa da game, you don't get to makea the rules"
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Women are harmed when having an abortion. Having an abortion can possibly prevent a woman from having any other children in the future. There is also other emotional repercussions from having an abortion as well. Having an abortion isn't just an easy fix.
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Women are more likely to be injured during birth, than from abortions, if both are preformed cleanly and safely from a medical care facility. Sorry to burst your bubble.
All your points can be eloquently summed up as; not your body not your choice. Unless you're gonna be adopting that kid that's supposedly being aborted, or you're going to donate towards foster care services you have no say whatsoever. That's the great part; you don't have to agree. It's still legal. And if it were illegal, women would still be getting them, only more women would be dying from botched back alley procedures. You're prolife when it comes to a fetus but you couldn't give a fuck about the life of the mother, that's quite obvious.
It's not up to you to decide if their "reason" is "good enough" for you, because once more, it's none of your business and has absolutely nothing to do with you.
We're wasting our time. As I said, they're safe from the scissors; of course they're incapable of empathy in this situation.
Murder is murder, and no amount of far-left rhetoric can change that.
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Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. Abortion is legal, therefore not murder.
No surrender! I know the going gets tough when people go around like their crap doesn't stink and think they can write the unwritten laws for the sake of their own asses.
But if I, and you, and others join forces - then maybe one day we will live to see the change that our hearts so earnestly seek.
Therefore! Do not break, do not fail, for our time has not yet come. It is our mission, our duty to fulfil the reason our light shines so bright to penetrate the veil of darkness that hinders our emancipation from mental bondage and slavery.
With your master trolling and comedic abilities, and my off the chart wit and spectacular analitical power, what can stop us? Never fail to stand up for what you believe in - and know that thou are not aloneth.
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Seems to me like you're the one wanting to rewrite the laws for the sake of your own ass to suit your own self-righteous agenda. Abortion is legal.
logically for what is, is simply sinful and killing a child for your own sins.
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That sentence was nothing but word salad, with no actual logical construct. Not everyone believes in fairy tales and "sins", get the fuck over it, armchair activist.
The fact that this comment has received so many up-votes is proof positive that the average intelligence of this site is low.
Without investing too much effort addressing this brain-dead mess.....
"It's none of your business, it doesn't affect you."
Child molestation is none of your or my business; it doesn't affect us. Therefore, by your logic, it is okay.
"You care more about what a fetus could hypothetically become, than a woman who already exists."
We could just as easily use this argument to justify the murder of a 3-year-old child, if the life of said child could be proven to in any way infringe on the liberties of a particular given adult.
Think. Think! THINK!!!
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Or maybe, just maybe, it's proof that there are intelligent people who can understand this procedure from a non-emotionally reactive stand point.
Child molestation has nothing to do with abortion, stop comparing apples to oranges.
You could use the argument on a three year old if you want to sound like an idiot. A three year old is an independently functioning organism; a fetus is not, which is the entire fucking point and why there's an age of viability. You don't get to turn women into living incubators because a completely legal and medically acceptable procedure hurts you feelings.
So, what do you guys actually do for these women other than berate them and try to shame them because you're on a religious/moral pedestal above everyone else?
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"Child molestation has nothing to do with abortion, stop comparing apples to oranges."
If you were willing to objectively evaluate my argument you would see that it is, in fact, a perfectly valid comparison.
"A three year old is an independently functioning organism; a fetus is not, which is the entire fucking point and why there's an age of viability."
So. What. Killing kids is killing kids. I'm sorry but I simply don't know how to make this any clearer for you.
"So, what do you guys actually do for these women other than berate them and try to shame them because you're on a religious/moral pedestal above everyone else?"
If being vocally opposed to killing innocent people suggests that I speak from a "moral pedestal" then so be it.
I am very much agnostic, by the way.
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I am looking at it objectively. You're comparing a child that has been born to a fetus that is developing in the body of an independent organism and calling them the same. They're not the same legally, they're not the same developmentally, the only thing they have is common is that they're the same species.
Interesting that you responded to all of my points but the last one, so I ask again: So, what do you guys actually do for these women other than berate them and try to shame them because you're on a religious/moral pedestal above everyone else?
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Just what do expect us to do for them? Give them condoms along with a slow and clearly-worded lecture on how to use the damned things?
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Maybe someone should give you a clearly worded lecture on how contraceptives and condoms aren't 100% effective and can fail for a variety of reasons.
What's even more ironic is that the Republicans who claim to be so staunchly pro-life are continually battling to restrict women's access to birth control, thereby increasing the rates of unwanted pregnancy and the need for abortion, consequently. Viagra is covered under most health insurance plans and birth control isn't. That's part of your problem. That, combined with these states that teach abstinence only bullshit who have astronomical rates of teen pregnancy due to elaborate misinformation.
"average intelligence of this site is low." HOLY SHIT !! You just dropped a MOAB!! (sarcasm) .... Don't expect fact or logic to get upvoted, komment karma has turned me into a troll. Fuck the legitimacy of this site for it died years ago jn its haydays