I have tried to bring up questions like these to very little success.
I doubt strongly that she would hit me as she has never hit me before. I'm sure she would believe it to be unchristian-like. In the advent of such an incident, I don't think that calling the cops would be the best of ideas. My neighbors are very nosy and I would hate for them to try to stick their nose in it.
Yeah because being antagonistic towards family members you are stuck living with who flip out and scream that you're going to hell isn't at all inviting further trouble and confrontation. Dumb advice.
No but if you show them your views and stand with pride they will eventually respect you, and if they cant fuck them..
If you simply be yourself you weave out people you dont like by default, however lieing to your family isnt any better..
i would beat the shit out of anybody that got that close to me about something as dumb as religion, my personal upbringing was similar, if you fight it always they cave eventually
btw your comment wasnt any better blaming it on some random mental illness, the illness is religion
If you're on your own in an abusive environment, you don't push your abuser's buttons. You don't provoke them, especially if you can't escape that environment any time soon. You look for the quickest, safest and easiest route out.
You probably don't wish to fight endlessly in the hopes they "eventually respect you." Even if you physically can, you probably don't want to "beat the shit out of" your mother because she's ramming religion down your throat, because what good would that actually do?
My comment was better, because I didn't suggest the OP should challenge their mother's religious belief with basic questions (that if you actually had any experience would know make no impact whatsoever on dyed-in-the-wool Christians) when she's clearly mentally unstable.
I didn't attribute her behaviour to some 'random' mental illness, I attributed it to a very specific mental illness because her behaviour was a perfect example of a paranoid schizophrenic episode. I don't agree that religion is an illness, but I think symptoms of mental illnesses have, especially in the past, been misinterpreted as religious manifestations (possessions, auditory and visual hallucinations etc.). I respect anybody's right to follow a religion - I don't respect those who force their religion upon others or use it to excuse harmful behaviour towards innocent people.
These questions arent that basic if they never roamed around the minds of half of america, basic questions deny the beliefs of half our country
Accept the fact most people are stupid
I assumed OP is a girl and can stand for herself, and i certainly wouldnt say to bark back..
Just because you take the simple, easy route doesnt mean it's better
No mentally stable person is heavy religious it literally grips the concept of nonsense to the mind
this is a touchy subject because it's the parents choice and we dont really know enough details otherwise.
call the police and say your mom is harrassing you about her beliefs i guess? there really isnt a definite answer on IIN it's not a problem solving site
They are basic questions, but they make no difference. It's not necessarily stupidity, it's often wilful denial or flexibility of interpretation.
People can and do interpret The Bible how they want. They can take some parts literally, some parts as allegories. They can say some parts refer to life as it was in a different age and that not all of it is applicable to modern times. They can say God meant one thing, or indeed another. They can even say not all of the Bible is true as it was written by various people, but that they believe in the basic idea of Jesus dying for 'our sins' and that Jesus is the son of God. That's what leads to myriad denominations of religions - minor and major differences in interpretation. This flexibility of interpretation allows people to refute criticism, or ignore it altogether.
But more powerful and frankly irrepressible than that is 'faith'. You can endlessly deconstruct a religious text upon which a religion is based, but that won't necessarily make a dent upon a fundamental belief, something often idiopathic, that a deity exists. It might seem irrational to you and me, but for some that certainty is intrinsic.
Anyway, enough about that. I agree there is no definitive answer. I just don't think in OP's situation provocation would be beneficial. I think if OP can fly under the radar until there is opportunity to move away then they should. Or if the problems escalate they should call either a support line or, as you say, the police. I think physical and emotional wellbeing is more important in most cases than confrontation to make a point, specifically when a child is involved (although we don't know how old OP is). Let's also not forget that in all likelihood the OP still loves and cares for their mother, despite her actions, and that the mother in all likelihood still loves and cares for their child - so maintaining some kind of relationship might be important.
When I wrote that post I was 17. I am now 18. I guess you can say that the "care" I feel for my mother is a friendly one. I don't think I've ever felt genuine love for my relatives in recent years. Is retaining a relationship important? I'm not entirely sure. I certainly wouldn't want her to kick me out of the house over a religious squabble as I would have nowhere else to go.
Paranoia due to religion, IIN?
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Ask them what created god
Ask them why adam and eve are incest
Ask them if its okay to molest children
Tell them their religion is a cult, if she hits you call the cops, goodluck dealing with those idiots.
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I have tried to bring up questions like these to very little success.
I doubt strongly that she would hit me as she has never hit me before. I'm sure she would believe it to be unchristian-like. In the advent of such an incident, I don't think that calling the cops would be the best of ideas. My neighbors are very nosy and I would hate for them to try to stick their nose in it.
Yeah because being antagonistic towards family members you are stuck living with who flip out and scream that you're going to hell isn't at all inviting further trouble and confrontation. Dumb advice.
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No but if you show them your views and stand with pride they will eventually respect you, and if they cant fuck them..
If you simply be yourself you weave out people you dont like by default, however lieing to your family isnt any better..
i would beat the shit out of anybody that got that close to me about something as dumb as religion, my personal upbringing was similar, if you fight it always they cave eventually
btw your comment wasnt any better blaming it on some random mental illness, the illness is religion
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If you're on your own in an abusive environment, you don't push your abuser's buttons. You don't provoke them, especially if you can't escape that environment any time soon. You look for the quickest, safest and easiest route out.
You probably don't wish to fight endlessly in the hopes they "eventually respect you." Even if you physically can, you probably don't want to "beat the shit out of" your mother because she's ramming religion down your throat, because what good would that actually do?
My comment was better, because I didn't suggest the OP should challenge their mother's religious belief with basic questions (that if you actually had any experience would know make no impact whatsoever on dyed-in-the-wool Christians) when she's clearly mentally unstable.
I didn't attribute her behaviour to some 'random' mental illness, I attributed it to a very specific mental illness because her behaviour was a perfect example of a paranoid schizophrenic episode. I don't agree that religion is an illness, but I think symptoms of mental illnesses have, especially in the past, been misinterpreted as religious manifestations (possessions, auditory and visual hallucinations etc.). I respect anybody's right to follow a religion - I don't respect those who force their religion upon others or use it to excuse harmful behaviour towards innocent people.
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These questions arent that basic if they never roamed around the minds of half of america, basic questions deny the beliefs of half our country
Accept the fact most people are stupid
I assumed OP is a girl and can stand for herself, and i certainly wouldnt say to bark back..
Just because you take the simple, easy route doesnt mean it's better
No mentally stable person is heavy religious it literally grips the concept of nonsense to the mind
this is a touchy subject because it's the parents choice and we dont really know enough details otherwise.
call the police and say your mom is harrassing you about her beliefs i guess? there really isnt a definite answer on IIN it's not a problem solving site
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They are basic questions, but they make no difference. It's not necessarily stupidity, it's often wilful denial or flexibility of interpretation.
People can and do interpret The Bible how they want. They can take some parts literally, some parts as allegories. They can say some parts refer to life as it was in a different age and that not all of it is applicable to modern times. They can say God meant one thing, or indeed another. They can even say not all of the Bible is true as it was written by various people, but that they believe in the basic idea of Jesus dying for 'our sins' and that Jesus is the son of God. That's what leads to myriad denominations of religions - minor and major differences in interpretation. This flexibility of interpretation allows people to refute criticism, or ignore it altogether.
But more powerful and frankly irrepressible than that is 'faith'. You can endlessly deconstruct a religious text upon which a religion is based, but that won't necessarily make a dent upon a fundamental belief, something often idiopathic, that a deity exists. It might seem irrational to you and me, but for some that certainty is intrinsic.
Anyway, enough about that. I agree there is no definitive answer. I just don't think in OP's situation provocation would be beneficial. I think if OP can fly under the radar until there is opportunity to move away then they should. Or if the problems escalate they should call either a support line or, as you say, the police. I think physical and emotional wellbeing is more important in most cases than confrontation to make a point, specifically when a child is involved (although we don't know how old OP is). Let's also not forget that in all likelihood the OP still loves and cares for their mother, despite her actions, and that the mother in all likelihood still loves and cares for their child - so maintaining some kind of relationship might be important.
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When I wrote that post I was 17. I am now 18. I guess you can say that the "care" I feel for my mother is a friendly one. I don't think I've ever felt genuine love for my relatives in recent years. Is retaining a relationship important? I'm not entirely sure. I certainly wouldn't want her to kick me out of the house over a religious squabble as I would have nowhere else to go.
Not reading that dont care