I guess perspective just depends on your personal age and what group you see yourself in.
I'm most likely in middle age and pushing old age no matter how you divide it.
The original question was based on appearance. Personally imo, there is a big difference in most people's appearance between ages 31 and 39. Whether it's from dealing with kids, life experience, or what ever.
There is at least one IIN user that thinks life as an attractive female ends at 25, lol, I don't agree with that but if you go back and read her posts there does seem to be a consensus that a maturity factor does set in between 25 and 35. So a change I would say takes place. Accept it or not and call it what you want.
I'll still go back to what I said previously. Old age, imo, starts shortly after 50. To many things happen at that point that imply you are getting old.
Increase medical visits/needs, all those old sports injuries come back to haunt us, wrinkles, crow's feet around eyes, low T, sex drive M & F, menopause, grey hair, and yes I know some will say not me but the average person see these changes by late 40s or early 50s.
I've fought that old (over the hill) thing for now almost ten years. At 40 people threw an over the hill party for me. I said not yet back then, but by average life span of 80 you technically are on the down hill side, and I have to admit at 50 no matter how you look at it you have crossed the summit and are on the downward side.
I also, at 35, would have disagreed with being middle age, we all want to drag our feet from leaving our youth. However by 45 I could see I was fully in MA and now see old age is coming quick. I don't like that term 'old' now either I prefer to use senior and I'll accept that title of senior citizen sometime after 50 maybe at 50.
Your only as old as you feel, but as you get older you realize life is shorter than you think. I could support the use of just adult between 25 to 40 MA to 50 or 55 but senior or OA sould kick in by 55.
Not that we have anything to do with making any rules or changes. It just more IMO stuff.
Enjoy your day!
You’re right, the original question was based on appearance, they even specifically said not by math. I’m not sure you can really give a generic answer based on appearance though, everybody ages at such a drastically different rate. When I started a new job a few years ago in my mid 30’s, people thought I was fresh out of college. And there’s people I went to school with that look like they already have one foot in the grave.
If we’re talking about what the masses think, we also have to acknowledge the bias against women…I’m not surprised somebody thinks 25 is the end for attractive women, I’m sure some people think it’s even younger. People are gross.
But if we are talking mathematically, maybe there should be a transition age between each group instead of a hard cutoff. College aged people(18-21) are transitioning from teen to young adult and don’t really fit in with either group. Maybe there should be a similar transition from young adult to middle aged in the late 30’s and/or early 40’s and a few years of transitioning from middle aged to old in the late 50’s.
Only semi related, but I found this chart and i thought it was interesting. https://www.annuityadvantage.com/resources/life-expectancy-tables/
The life expectancy we always hear about is at birth, that chart shows life expectancy at any given age. Ie, the average 80 year old man will live another 8 years, despite the fact that they’re already 4 years passed their life expectancy at birth. The average 90 year old woman has 5 years left, even though they’re 9 years passed their life expectancy at birth.
The life expectancy chart and figures you're talking about are in fact what are used for a lot of life insurance companies and make sense. If you manage to get to 80 or 90 you're probably going to live a few more.
Remembering ALS is just that, an average. Meaning 50% will die before that age and 50% after. But it makes sense if you get to that age you don't drop dead immediately. It took 80 years for the first 50% the other 50% or let's say 49% of them will be gone in the next 20 years and 2 to 5 years of that they will spend in a nursing home or not knowing who they are, maybe both.
They can call that life but I call it making doctors and the medical system rich.
You're evidently late 30s early 40s makes sense you don't want middle age to be too early. It's about then that my perspective changed, hopefully this doesn't happen to you, but when you start losing those that you love and have grown up with is when you realize just how short life is. I entered my fourties with most everybody I loved alive. At this point grandparents, parents, and even a younger sibling are gone, not to mention friends I grew up with. Most were in their 50s to early 70s a couple grands made it to 80 but some of the friends and sister never made 50, and none died accidentally or by violence.
I like the categories, 1-30 learning, 31-50 living 51 to maybe 65 planning, 66 up remembering.
As far as looks or appearance remembering may start a lot earlier, especially females we start that stage in early 40s sometimes earlier.
Good luck living that long 90 or 100 years, it scares me. I've seen too much heartbreak that starts in the sixties.
Yeah, it makes sense when you think about it, I’ve always thought it was interesting to see the actual numbers. It’s important information for people to have as they plan for retirement and such. If you make it to your 50’s and you’re healthy, you’re probably going to live waaay longer than you would’ve been expected to at birth and should plan accordingly.
The difference in life expectancy at birth and life expectancy as we aged used to be much more significant. A historian looked at tombstone epigraphs from Ancient Rome and calculated the average life expectancy of all humans at birth to be 25 years…but for those still alive at 25 years old, their average life expectancy was 53. The average 25 year old actually lived longer than the average newborn baby. So many dead babies…as recently as 1800, 43% of people didn’t live past age five.
I’m still mid 30’s, though the late 30’s are rapidly approaching. That’s why I was saying there should probably be another category between young adult and idled aged, or at least a few transition years, since neither term really accurately describes where I am in my life. I also don’t really have a generation, I’m either a really young Gen X or a really old millennial. It is what it is. As far as perspectives changing, that already happened for me - both of my parents and all of my grandparents were gone before I hit 30 and I never even met any of my great grandparents. Now two siblings are gone and I only have one uncle left.
Those are solid categories…planning could also be called teaching, those are typical grandparent years for many. That’s the category I think of when I think of middle aged.
Sorry to hear you've lost so many people in your life at such a young age. I've always thought 40s was young to lose parents and siblings.
Unless you were born really late. I have a Tia (aunt) that is almost 20 years younger than my mom. She's actually close to my age. She's more like you. Lost everybody really young.
I agree with the teaching comment however that's a harder line to draw. I'm not even sure I like the learning category title. To me we are always learning and teaching. They both overlap categories. Siblings taught me a lot at a very young age, as well as my parents as they were dying.
Good example are parents age 15 to death are learning from their children and yet teaching the whole time as well.
I think the titles are more used to indicate a main purpose or agenda for that period of life. Then I think learning and planning work.
Okay for the record is 34 middle aged?
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I guess perspective just depends on your personal age and what group you see yourself in.
I'm most likely in middle age and pushing old age no matter how you divide it.
The original question was based on appearance. Personally imo, there is a big difference in most people's appearance between ages 31 and 39. Whether it's from dealing with kids, life experience, or what ever.
There is at least one IIN user that thinks life as an attractive female ends at 25, lol, I don't agree with that but if you go back and read her posts there does seem to be a consensus that a maturity factor does set in between 25 and 35. So a change I would say takes place. Accept it or not and call it what you want.
I'll still go back to what I said previously. Old age, imo, starts shortly after 50. To many things happen at that point that imply you are getting old.
Increase medical visits/needs, all those old sports injuries come back to haunt us, wrinkles, crow's feet around eyes, low T, sex drive M & F, menopause, grey hair, and yes I know some will say not me but the average person see these changes by late 40s or early 50s.
I've fought that old (over the hill) thing for now almost ten years. At 40 people threw an over the hill party for me. I said not yet back then, but by average life span of 80 you technically are on the down hill side, and I have to admit at 50 no matter how you look at it you have crossed the summit and are on the downward side.
I also, at 35, would have disagreed with being middle age, we all want to drag our feet from leaving our youth. However by 45 I could see I was fully in MA and now see old age is coming quick. I don't like that term 'old' now either I prefer to use senior and I'll accept that title of senior citizen sometime after 50 maybe at 50.
Your only as old as you feel, but as you get older you realize life is shorter than you think. I could support the use of just adult between 25 to 40 MA to 50 or 55 but senior or OA sould kick in by 55.
Not that we have anything to do with making any rules or changes. It just more IMO stuff.
Enjoy your day!
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You’re right, the original question was based on appearance, they even specifically said not by math. I’m not sure you can really give a generic answer based on appearance though, everybody ages at such a drastically different rate. When I started a new job a few years ago in my mid 30’s, people thought I was fresh out of college. And there’s people I went to school with that look like they already have one foot in the grave.
If we’re talking about what the masses think, we also have to acknowledge the bias against women…I’m not surprised somebody thinks 25 is the end for attractive women, I’m sure some people think it’s even younger. People are gross.
But if we are talking mathematically, maybe there should be a transition age between each group instead of a hard cutoff. College aged people(18-21) are transitioning from teen to young adult and don’t really fit in with either group. Maybe there should be a similar transition from young adult to middle aged in the late 30’s and/or early 40’s and a few years of transitioning from middle aged to old in the late 50’s.
Only semi related, but I found this chart and i thought it was interesting. https://www.annuityadvantage.com/resources/life-expectancy-tables/
The life expectancy we always hear about is at birth, that chart shows life expectancy at any given age. Ie, the average 80 year old man will live another 8 years, despite the fact that they’re already 4 years passed their life expectancy at birth. The average 90 year old woman has 5 years left, even though they’re 9 years passed their life expectancy at birth.
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The life expectancy chart and figures you're talking about are in fact what are used for a lot of life insurance companies and make sense. If you manage to get to 80 or 90 you're probably going to live a few more.
Remembering ALS is just that, an average. Meaning 50% will die before that age and 50% after. But it makes sense if you get to that age you don't drop dead immediately. It took 80 years for the first 50% the other 50% or let's say 49% of them will be gone in the next 20 years and 2 to 5 years of that they will spend in a nursing home or not knowing who they are, maybe both.
They can call that life but I call it making doctors and the medical system rich.
You're evidently late 30s early 40s makes sense you don't want middle age to be too early. It's about then that my perspective changed, hopefully this doesn't happen to you, but when you start losing those that you love and have grown up with is when you realize just how short life is. I entered my fourties with most everybody I loved alive. At this point grandparents, parents, and even a younger sibling are gone, not to mention friends I grew up with. Most were in their 50s to early 70s a couple grands made it to 80 but some of the friends and sister never made 50, and none died accidentally or by violence.
I like the categories, 1-30 learning, 31-50 living 51 to maybe 65 planning, 66 up remembering.
As far as looks or appearance remembering may start a lot earlier, especially females we start that stage in early 40s sometimes earlier.
Good luck living that long 90 or 100 years, it scares me. I've seen too much heartbreak that starts in the sixties.
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Yeah, it makes sense when you think about it, I’ve always thought it was interesting to see the actual numbers. It’s important information for people to have as they plan for retirement and such. If you make it to your 50’s and you’re healthy, you’re probably going to live waaay longer than you would’ve been expected to at birth and should plan accordingly.
The difference in life expectancy at birth and life expectancy as we aged used to be much more significant. A historian looked at tombstone epigraphs from Ancient Rome and calculated the average life expectancy of all humans at birth to be 25 years…but for those still alive at 25 years old, their average life expectancy was 53. The average 25 year old actually lived longer than the average newborn baby. So many dead babies…as recently as 1800, 43% of people didn’t live past age five.
I’m still mid 30’s, though the late 30’s are rapidly approaching. That’s why I was saying there should probably be another category between young adult and idled aged, or at least a few transition years, since neither term really accurately describes where I am in my life. I also don’t really have a generation, I’m either a really young Gen X or a really old millennial. It is what it is. As far as perspectives changing, that already happened for me - both of my parents and all of my grandparents were gone before I hit 30 and I never even met any of my great grandparents. Now two siblings are gone and I only have one uncle left.
Those are solid categories…planning could also be called teaching, those are typical grandparent years for many. That’s the category I think of when I think of middle aged.
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Sorry to hear you've lost so many people in your life at such a young age. I've always thought 40s was young to lose parents and siblings.
Unless you were born really late. I have a Tia (aunt) that is almost 20 years younger than my mom. She's actually close to my age. She's more like you. Lost everybody really young.
I agree with the teaching comment however that's a harder line to draw. I'm not even sure I like the learning category title. To me we are always learning and teaching. They both overlap categories. Siblings taught me a lot at a very young age, as well as my parents as they were dying.
Good example are parents age 15 to death are learning from their children and yet teaching the whole time as well.
I think the titles are more used to indicate a main purpose or agenda for that period of life. Then I think learning and planning work.
Who knows!