Clearly I am not explaining myself. Feminine is not a synonymous with female. Masculine isn't male. Am I the only one who was taught this?
I am not talking about stereotypes. Sure, many are the same, but that's not what I am describing. I am talking about yin and yang, art and science, black and white. It is one of lifes great dualities. Being creative is feminine. Right brained.
Language is feminine, written word is masculine. These things go together so well. Funny how that is.
More stereotypes and more and more ...... what's the point of them? They're restrictive and limiting for BOTH genders (or all genders if you prefer) and there are so many exceptions they're meaningless.
If there's ever a society where there aren't different expectations for male and female from the time of birth of before, and these differences still exist, then I'll believe they're innate, but not before.
She isn't arguing that they are innate. She is simply saying that "artisticness" is a trait which is coded as feminine in our society. Without putting words in her mouth, I'm pretty sure she'd agree with you that it's socially constructed rather than natural.
Yeah. Artistic creativity (especially certain types) are labeled as superficial and frivolous, which are the negative stereotypes we typically associate with women rather than men.
Thanks, I thought for a second I wasn't being clear. And I did use the phrase "cultural projections" which I totally stole, but I feel it is a better way of saying stereotype. Stereotypes is such a negative word and diesnt often include positive attributes. But they are not always wrong and are often rooted in truth.
And again, I am not talking about gender at all. I am talking about balance.
What was the gender of the person/s who decided to label the hemispheres of the brain masculine and feminine? Yin and yang is a spiritual concept and therefore I find it meaningless when applied to human beings
Sorry, I didn't express that well. What I meant was that yin & yang is a spiritual concept which I don't find relevant to this discussion. Spiritual concepts are invented by human beings to satisfy particular needs, which has nothing to do with whether certain attributes are innate to either gender.
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Clearly I am not explaining myself. Feminine is not a synonymous with female. Masculine isn't male. Am I the only one who was taught this?
I am not talking about stereotypes. Sure, many are the same, but that's not what I am describing. I am talking about yin and yang, art and science, black and white. It is one of lifes great dualities. Being creative is feminine. Right brained.
Language is feminine, written word is masculine. These things go together so well. Funny how that is.
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Here are some words to help describe what I am refering to.
Words to describe masculine energies, archetypes and cultural projections:
positive attributes: active, intelligent, logical, rational, linear, determined, reliable, strong, stable, protective, sensible, heroic, focused, single-minded, practical, goal-oriented, consistent, predictable, capable, smart, rugged, ordered, disciplined.
negative attributes: rigid, stubborn, aggressive, tough, ruthless, violent, non-communicative, self-centered, authoritative, dominating, dogmatic, closed-minded, autocratic, rule-bound, heartless.
Words to describe feminine energies, archetypes and cultural projections:
positive attributes: soft, warm, sweet, kind, loving, nurturing, gentle, creative, receptive, flexible, adaptable, yielding, forgiving, understanding, caring, care-giving, serving, passive, peaceful, open-minded, beautiful, mysterious, spontaneous, ever-changing, inspirational.
negative attributes: weak, emotional, irrational, illogical, unpredictable, bitchy, stupid, powerless, manipulative, controlling, indecisive, fickle.
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More stereotypes and more and more ...... what's the point of them? They're restrictive and limiting for BOTH genders (or all genders if you prefer) and there are so many exceptions they're meaningless.
If there's ever a society where there aren't different expectations for male and female from the time of birth of before, and these differences still exist, then I'll believe they're innate, but not before.
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She isn't arguing that they are innate. She is simply saying that "artisticness" is a trait which is coded as feminine in our society. Without putting words in her mouth, I'm pretty sure she'd agree with you that it's socially constructed rather than natural.
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I concur. Off the record, males artistically inclined are even labeled off as homosexuels.
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Yeah. Artistic creativity (especially certain types) are labeled as superficial and frivolous, which are the negative stereotypes we typically associate with women rather than men.
Thanks, I thought for a second I wasn't being clear. And I did use the phrase "cultural projections" which I totally stole, but I feel it is a better way of saying stereotype. Stereotypes is such a negative word and diesnt often include positive attributes. But they are not always wrong and are often rooted in truth.
And again, I am not talking about gender at all. I am talking about balance.
What was the gender of the person/s who decided to label the hemispheres of the brain masculine and feminine? Yin and yang is a spiritual concept and therefore I find it meaningless when applied to human beings
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You find spirituality meaningless? How sad.
You completely missed the point.
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Sorry, I didn't express that well. What I meant was that yin & yang is a spiritual concept which I don't find relevant to this discussion. Spiritual concepts are invented by human beings to satisfy particular needs, which has nothing to do with whether certain attributes are innate to either gender.