Also darefu you seem to forget here merica if I was in charge of hospital lets say you come in for just a broken finger I can charge you whatever I want for the scans and procedures that more than likely your insurance will refuse to cover because hey that money you give to the insurance company is supposed to cover that right? Nope most insurance companies will flat out tell you to go fuck yourself and now you gotta pay outta pocket for that unreasonably high hospital bill. Oh btw you want an ambulance ride in that emergency you can't control too bad bud you gotta pay that to.
From what I remember in the US you have various plans even under the ACA and Medicare. You have to read and understand. Some cover certain things some don't. Some cover those things only if provided by certain providers.
That's the same under universal health care. If I break my arm and go to the wrong hospital or doctor I'm responsible for the bill. I'm required to use one that belongs to the state system even if it's 5 miles away and the other is next door. Only time an exception may apply is in life threatening conditions.
Ambulance service is the same I could be lying on the ground next to one but if they are not part of the state system they've not taking me, or if they do I'm going to the hospital they're affiliated with. The bills will be mine.
I sure as hell don't want a system where hospitals and doctors get paid 10 euros to fix my broken arm.
I'll pay a little extra to get it done right and not be an assembly line patient.
Doctors in a universal health care program get paid by the state not the individual. They could care less if you're happy or not. They get paid the same, doest matter if you live on the street or make a million a year.
Except as I said before if you're rich enough you don't go to the state system. That is also where most of the good doctors are, not in the state system.
In a for-profit system, people have gone bankrupt or even died, due to the capitalist greed of the doctors and the insurance companies. Are you in favor of bankruptcy and death?
Also, my priority is the working-class, NOT rich fuckheads. Why you're advocating for the rich certainly confuses me.
I was going to say 'can you read', but it's obvious you can't.
Everything I've said is about how universal health care screws the people who can't afford to pay outrageous amounts out of pocket.
What do you think happens if you have cancer and can't get tests or treatment for 6 to 8 months. You die! What do you think happens when you are lying on the ground after an accident (next to an ambulance) but they can't take you because they are not part of the state system. You die!
If you do elect to take that ambulance they will only take you to their hospital which is not part of the state system. The good you are probably going to get great care, the bad you are going to be bankrupt. Which is not the same as bankrupt in the USA. It means you still owe the bills you just get appointed a money manager. You get an allowance and they get control over your money, and where and when you work.
I've seen both these situations happen.
My comments are not in support of the rich, they are just to point out, that if you have a universal health care system, everyone is going to pay through taxes and you get little as well as poor quality care in return.
I'd much rather pay once and have a choice of where and who gives me care.
I take it you have never been under a universal health care system or even a state sponsored program. I am and I'm currently turning down treatment because the co-pay, (the money they want from me, in addition to the government funds) is too expensive.
Not necessarily too expensive for what I can afford, but too expensive for what I get in return. 500 euro a month, to sit on a stationary bike, do a few stretches, an ice pack, and electric stimulation. All done in 1 hour, 2 times a week. That's a government program for you.
If you think government programs are free think again. You just don't know what your talking about. Either that or you just want a free ride and don't understand, you don't get something for nothing.
Not gonna lie, I do appreciate hearing your perspective.
However, under our for-profit system, as I've mentioned, people have gone bankrupt or worse, between the assholishness of the insurance companies and the greed of doctors (that's right, in the US doctors are not benevolent healers, but are money-hungry businessmen). I've never heard of people going bankrupt under universal healthcare, so I'm a little confused by everything you've listed.
I'd assume you're not a sociopath, so I'm surprised that you're defending a system that leaves people bankrupt or worse.
I suppose I'd be willing to compromise and have a Public Option, but anything more capitalist than that, I will not tolerate.
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Also darefu you seem to forget here merica if I was in charge of hospital lets say you come in for just a broken finger I can charge you whatever I want for the scans and procedures that more than likely your insurance will refuse to cover because hey that money you give to the insurance company is supposed to cover that right? Nope most insurance companies will flat out tell you to go fuck yourself and now you gotta pay outta pocket for that unreasonably high hospital bill. Oh btw you want an ambulance ride in that emergency you can't control too bad bud you gotta pay that to.
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From what I remember in the US you have various plans even under the ACA and Medicare. You have to read and understand. Some cover certain things some don't. Some cover those things only if provided by certain providers.
That's the same under universal health care. If I break my arm and go to the wrong hospital or doctor I'm responsible for the bill. I'm required to use one that belongs to the state system even if it's 5 miles away and the other is next door. Only time an exception may apply is in life threatening conditions.
Ambulance service is the same I could be lying on the ground next to one but if they are not part of the state system they've not taking me, or if they do I'm going to the hospital they're affiliated with. The bills will be mine.
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Listen to Angelwolf69's comment. Do you want a system where your WELL-BEING is for profit? I sure as hell don't.
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I sure as hell don't want a system where hospitals and doctors get paid 10 euros to fix my broken arm.
I'll pay a little extra to get it done right and not be an assembly line patient.
Doctors in a universal health care program get paid by the state not the individual. They could care less if you're happy or not. They get paid the same, doest matter if you live on the street or make a million a year.
Except as I said before if you're rich enough you don't go to the state system. That is also where most of the good doctors are, not in the state system.
You pay for what you get.
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In a for-profit system, people have gone bankrupt or even died, due to the capitalist greed of the doctors and the insurance companies. Are you in favor of bankruptcy and death?
Also, my priority is the working-class, NOT rich fuckheads. Why you're advocating for the rich certainly confuses me.
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I was going to say 'can you read', but it's obvious you can't.
Everything I've said is about how universal health care screws the people who can't afford to pay outrageous amounts out of pocket.
What do you think happens if you have cancer and can't get tests or treatment for 6 to 8 months. You die! What do you think happens when you are lying on the ground after an accident (next to an ambulance) but they can't take you because they are not part of the state system. You die!
If you do elect to take that ambulance they will only take you to their hospital which is not part of the state system. The good you are probably going to get great care, the bad you are going to be bankrupt. Which is not the same as bankrupt in the USA. It means you still owe the bills you just get appointed a money manager. You get an allowance and they get control over your money, and where and when you work.
I've seen both these situations happen.
My comments are not in support of the rich, they are just to point out, that if you have a universal health care system, everyone is going to pay through taxes and you get little as well as poor quality care in return.
I'd much rather pay once and have a choice of where and who gives me care.
I take it you have never been under a universal health care system or even a state sponsored program. I am and I'm currently turning down treatment because the co-pay, (the money they want from me, in addition to the government funds) is too expensive.
Not necessarily too expensive for what I can afford, but too expensive for what I get in return. 500 euro a month, to sit on a stationary bike, do a few stretches, an ice pack, and electric stimulation. All done in 1 hour, 2 times a week. That's a government program for you.
If you think government programs are free think again. You just don't know what your talking about. Either that or you just want a free ride and don't understand, you don't get something for nothing.
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Not gonna lie, I do appreciate hearing your perspective.
However, under our for-profit system, as I've mentioned, people have gone bankrupt or worse, between the assholishness of the insurance companies and the greed of doctors (that's right, in the US doctors are not benevolent healers, but are money-hungry businessmen). I've never heard of people going bankrupt under universal healthcare, so I'm a little confused by everything you've listed.
I'd assume you're not a sociopath, so I'm surprised that you're defending a system that leaves people bankrupt or worse.
I suppose I'd be willing to compromise and have a Public Option, but anything more capitalist than that, I will not tolerate.