That's your mother. I mostly mean romantically right now or as in powerful friendships. There are really only two options here:
1. You know you wouldn't care about them like that, in which case you're making the mistake of thinking everyone is the same.
2. You think you would in fact care that much but that you're the only person in the world who would, which is irrational.
Sure, plenty of people are lying, but to tell people _everyone_ is lying is absurd. If people can anonymously donate their internal organs to strangers then I'm pretty sure there are people out there who can manage to say "I love you" to someone they actually know while meaning it.
Anyway I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I always start processing death ahead of time too. Death sucks.
"1.You know you wouldn't care about them like that, in which case you're making the mistake of thinking everyone is the same.
2. You think you would in fact care that much but that you're the only person in the world who would, which is irrational".
Not at all. It is something we will have to accept sooner or later. Also, I already have made it clear I don't experience romantic attraction, so of course I wouldn't care for them because I don't desire a relationship with them. This isn't the reason why I'm saying what I'm saying. Like I said, it's just how things are.
"Sure, plenty of people are lying, but to tell people _everyone_ is lying is absurd. If people can anonymously donate their internal organs to strangers then I'm pretty sure there are people out there who can manage to say "I love you" to someone they actually know while meaning it".
This is something people are unwilling to admit (which is fine), so of course you're going to say what I'm saying is absurd. Believe what you want. Also, someone donating their organs doesn't mean anything.
People donating their organs is something. Its giving someone a chance at a better life after you have passed (or in cases of transplants you are going above and beyond what is necessary to have someone else live a better life)
Would I donate a kidney to someone I dont know? Of course not. I like the peace of mind of having a replacement organ. If someone needs an organ that I care about I'm willing to lose that contingency organ. If I'm dead? Sure scoop whatever is useful to others out. A half pound of extra ashes really doesnt matter to my next of kin.
People having compassion for others is what moves humanity forward. It's the simple idea that we work better together. Same is true for relationships. Your partner will stay around if you truely love said person and it's a mutual ordeal. People who stay together will have more balanced (mentally) children.
Theres utility in love, something you wont comprehend until you view it in person. Sure you may never experience love or a relationship with another person. That's fine. But shitting on everyone else cannot be the "logical" way to perceive love. I'm logical, yet I'm willing to leave people to their own devices about stimuli that I haven't felt. Since I'm not omniscient and certainly not a genius among simpletons as you imply yourself to be. Which is pretty hysterical truth be told.
Some good points here. I was talking about transplants from the living as well. My primary deterrent from doing that was always the nightmare scenario of a family member later needing the same organ and knowing that there was likely a way better chance of the organ not being rejected in this case, plus the obvious pain of not being able to help a family member I could have.
To be clear I'm not trying to say that if I had no one in my life I would have absolutely done this, but I do know it's something I might have possibly thought over as long as I was really healthy and in a very good place in life.
Yeah I have the same concern in the off chance my brother needs a replacement organ. I dont know if blood type works with organs since I'm a universal donor.
Plus I don't drink enough to warrant an extra kidney. I like to think of it as I'm keeping it warm for someone who might need it in the future.
"People donating their organs is something. Its giving someone a chance at a better life after you have passed (or in cases of transplants you are going above and beyond what is necessary to have someone else live a better life)".
That doesn't mean they are doing it because they care for others. It could be just for the sake of it. They won't need it, because they'll be dead of course, so why not give it to someone else? Assuming they are doing it because they care for others is strange, but assume away.
"People having compassion for others is what moves humanity forward. It's the simple idea that we work better together. Same is true for relationships. Your partner will stay around if you truely love said person and it's a mutual ordeal. People who stay together will have more balanced (mentally) children".
And you proved my point.
"Theres utility in love, something you wont comprehend until you view it in person. Sure you may never experience love or a relationship with another person. That's fine. But shitting on everyone else cannot be the "logical" way to perceive love. I'm logical, yet I'm willing to leave people to their own devices about stimuli that I haven't felt. Since I'm not omniscient and certainly not a genius among simpletons as you imply yourself to be. Which is pretty hysterical truth be told".
No, I don't think it will ever be something I "comprehend" because it is simply just not there, which is something you won't ever comprehend because nobody pays attention to what reality is really like. That, or you just don't want to admit it. Also, shitting on everyone? when? I never shitted on anyone in this thread. I am just telling everyone, and I hate to repeat myself, reality. Also, looking through this whole thread, it does not appear I ever once thought I knew everything or was a genius. I definitely don't know everything, and I'm certainly not Albert Einstein. Never implied that, but if that is how it appears, oh well. Have a nice day.
I was talking about people who decide to anonymously donate their organs while still alive.
In 2014, 3.32% of all kidneys transplanted from living people came from people who wished to never meet the recipient and who wished to remain anonymous regarding the entire thing.
They're not receiving a financial benefit or any sort of clout from this action. There's zero incentive to do this besides simply caring enough about humanity so as to sacrifice one's own internal organ to potentially save the life of any given fellow human being.
If one can care that much about any given person without even knowing them, there are _definitely_ people who can be _madly_ in love with someone they do know well and who is actually special to them at that.
If you're truly aromantic, I suspect that unfamiliarity is not the issue because your point seems less that romantic feelings alone aren't real and more that people just straight up don't give a single fuck about each other. Out of the two possible options I presented, it seems you've gone with the first and are therefore very naively assuming everyone is like you. You may simply possess lower than normal empathy. As long as there's some capacity for it, a mother is a very common exception to the norm. Some experts believe even Ted Bundy did in fact love his mother. I'm not comparing you to him but showing that in even more extreme cases of lacking empathy apparent exceptions for mothers aren't unheard of.
But I must say, your behavior is very unusual for that to be the case. Take usual behavior of asexuals for example. They generally simply don't care for sex or perhaps even think it's pretty disgusting but they don't crusade against it. When you encounter an asexual persistently demanding all sex stop, you've almost certainly encountered a very naturally sexual person who has been scorned in some way and who now wishes or even believes they're asexual.
Well aromantics are the same. They simply have no interest in romance or perhaps even a bit of an aversion to it (like some asexuals with sex) that they mostly keep to themselves or mention in passing when the topic comes up. They certainly don't go on crusades against love, also insisting no one gives a fuck about each other in general. That is not at all normal behavior. Just making this post at all required a lot more effort than indifference warrants.
I'm generally not at _all_ a fan of suggesting someone else has their orientation wrong but in extreme situations sometimes certain very obvious things aren't easily overlooked, and there's simply no denying that your behavior is _remarkably_ more consistent with scorned people who now resent love because it didn't work how they wanted for them rather than people simply not having an interest in it. There's an emotionally charged element to this that really isn't adding up.
But again perhaps the deal is low empathy and the emotion is simply extreme frustration with not understanding why the entire world is faking something in lieu of understanding it isn't faking because it's difficult to wrap your head around being the odd one out. You would be faking, so they must be. That's not logical. This is actually extremely common with low empathy.
At any rate, I hope you find your answers and that you have a nice day.
"They're not receiving a financial benefit or any sort of clout from this action. There's zero incentive to do this besides simply caring enough about humanity so as to sacrifice one's own internal organ to potentially save the life of any given fellow human being".
That does not mean they care about people. I've already added an explanation on why this does not mean they genuinely care for people.
"If one can care that much about any given person without even knowing them, there are _definitely_ people who can be _madly_ in love with someone they do know well and who is actually special to them at that".
Once again, that does not mean they actually love people.
"If you're truly aromantic, I suspect that unfamiliarity is not the issue because your point seems less that romantic feelings alone aren't real and more that people just straight up don't give a single fuck about each other. Out of the two possible options I presented, it seems you've gone with the first and are therefore very naively assuming everyone is like you. You may simply possess lower than normal empathy. As long as there's some capacity for it, a mother is a very common exception to the norm. Some experts believe even Ted Bundy did in fact love his mother. I'm not comparing you to him but showing that in even more extreme cases of lacking empathy apparent exceptions for mothers aren't unheard of".
I'm not "naively" assuming everyone is like me. I'm not some big scary sociopath that wants to believe everyone is like me. I'm sorry, but this is reality. People only pretend they genuinely have love for others, which I'm guessing is due to getting told by a society who also doesn't genuinely care about others that they SHOULD care for other people. At the end of the day, it all comes down to society and the social contract, It's all about the image. Also, if people really did actually care for others, people wouldn't be so against each other for crying out loud. People are fake and that is up to you if you choose to believe that.
"But I must say, your behavior is very unusual for that to be the case. Take usual behavior of asexuals for example. They generally simply don't care for sex or perhaps even think it's pretty disgusting but they don't crusade against it. When you encounter an asexual persistently demanding all sex stop, you've almost certainly encountered a very naturally sexual person who has been scorned in some way and who now wishes or even believes they're asexual".
This is untrue. Very poor argument. Asexuals can most definitely crusade against it, and in case you didn't know, there is a term called "Antisexual". Once again, awful argument.
"I'm generally not at _all_ a fan of suggesting someone else has their orientation wrong but in extreme situations sometimes certain very obvious things aren't easily overlooked, and there's simply no denying that your behavior is _remarkably_ more consistent with scorned people who now resent love because it didn't work how they wanted for them rather than people simply not having an interest in it. There's an emotionally charged element to this that really isn't adding up".
Wow. I have to say, I am really in love with all the analyzing you're doing. Seriously, does knowing that the majority possibly only pretends to have love for others hurt you that much?🙄 I say, this is a great example of C.S. Lewis's quote. Also, for someone who claims to not be a fan on deciding someone's true orientation, that is exactly what you're doing now. How can you say you're not a fan of something, yet proceed to do that exact thing? You're like those people who say they don't want to hurt your feelings, yet go on to hurt your feelings.
"But again perhaps the deal is low empathy and the emotion is simply extreme frustration with not understanding why the entire world is faking something in lieu of understanding it isn't faking because it's difficult to wrap your head around being the odd one out. You would be faking, so they must be. That's not logical. This is actually extremely common with low empathy".
Sorry pal, but again, this is just the world we're living in. We're just living in a world filled with fake smiles, fake behavior, fake love. Like I said, people are fake. No need to make these unnecessary analyzations, no need to make false conclusions, because that is just not the case. The world is just filled with people that put on a facade. I know this is something that is too much for you to bear, but coming with false conclusions to hide the fact that you are unwilling to accept the true nature of things is not going to change a damn thing. But if you wish to continue, you're free to do so.
"At any rate, I hope you find your answers and that you have a nice day".
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That's your mother. I mostly mean romantically right now or as in powerful friendships. There are really only two options here:
1. You know you wouldn't care about them like that, in which case you're making the mistake of thinking everyone is the same.
2. You think you would in fact care that much but that you're the only person in the world who would, which is irrational.
Sure, plenty of people are lying, but to tell people _everyone_ is lying is absurd. If people can anonymously donate their internal organs to strangers then I'm pretty sure there are people out there who can manage to say "I love you" to someone they actually know while meaning it.
Anyway I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I always start processing death ahead of time too. Death sucks.
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"1.You know you wouldn't care about them like that, in which case you're making the mistake of thinking everyone is the same.
2. You think you would in fact care that much but that you're the only person in the world who would, which is irrational".
Not at all. It is something we will have to accept sooner or later. Also, I already have made it clear I don't experience romantic attraction, so of course I wouldn't care for them because I don't desire a relationship with them. This isn't the reason why I'm saying what I'm saying. Like I said, it's just how things are.
"Sure, plenty of people are lying, but to tell people _everyone_ is lying is absurd. If people can anonymously donate their internal organs to strangers then I'm pretty sure there are people out there who can manage to say "I love you" to someone they actually know while meaning it".
This is something people are unwilling to admit (which is fine), so of course you're going to say what I'm saying is absurd. Believe what you want. Also, someone donating their organs doesn't mean anything.
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People donating their organs is something. Its giving someone a chance at a better life after you have passed (or in cases of transplants you are going above and beyond what is necessary to have someone else live a better life)
Would I donate a kidney to someone I dont know? Of course not. I like the peace of mind of having a replacement organ. If someone needs an organ that I care about I'm willing to lose that contingency organ. If I'm dead? Sure scoop whatever is useful to others out. A half pound of extra ashes really doesnt matter to my next of kin.
People having compassion for others is what moves humanity forward. It's the simple idea that we work better together. Same is true for relationships. Your partner will stay around if you truely love said person and it's a mutual ordeal. People who stay together will have more balanced (mentally) children.
Theres utility in love, something you wont comprehend until you view it in person. Sure you may never experience love or a relationship with another person. That's fine. But shitting on everyone else cannot be the "logical" way to perceive love. I'm logical, yet I'm willing to leave people to their own devices about stimuli that I haven't felt. Since I'm not omniscient and certainly not a genius among simpletons as you imply yourself to be. Which is pretty hysterical truth be told.
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Some good points here. I was talking about transplants from the living as well. My primary deterrent from doing that was always the nightmare scenario of a family member later needing the same organ and knowing that there was likely a way better chance of the organ not being rejected in this case, plus the obvious pain of not being able to help a family member I could have.
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Yeah I have the same concern in the off chance my brother needs a replacement organ. I dont know if blood type works with organs since I'm a universal donor.
Plus I don't drink enough to warrant an extra kidney. I like to think of it as I'm keeping it warm for someone who might need it in the future.
"People donating their organs is something. Its giving someone a chance at a better life after you have passed (or in cases of transplants you are going above and beyond what is necessary to have someone else live a better life)".
That doesn't mean they are doing it because they care for others. It could be just for the sake of it. They won't need it, because they'll be dead of course, so why not give it to someone else? Assuming they are doing it because they care for others is strange, but assume away.
"People having compassion for others is what moves humanity forward. It's the simple idea that we work better together. Same is true for relationships. Your partner will stay around if you truely love said person and it's a mutual ordeal. People who stay together will have more balanced (mentally) children".
And you proved my point.
"Theres utility in love, something you wont comprehend until you view it in person. Sure you may never experience love or a relationship with another person. That's fine. But shitting on everyone else cannot be the "logical" way to perceive love. I'm logical, yet I'm willing to leave people to their own devices about stimuli that I haven't felt. Since I'm not omniscient and certainly not a genius among simpletons as you imply yourself to be. Which is pretty hysterical truth be told".
No, I don't think it will ever be something I "comprehend" because it is simply just not there, which is something you won't ever comprehend because nobody pays attention to what reality is really like. That, or you just don't want to admit it. Also, shitting on everyone? when? I never shitted on anyone in this thread. I am just telling everyone, and I hate to repeat myself, reality. Also, looking through this whole thread, it does not appear I ever once thought I knew everything or was a genius. I definitely don't know everything, and I'm certainly not Albert Einstein. Never implied that, but if that is how it appears, oh well. Have a nice day.
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I was talking about people who decide to anonymously donate their organs while still alive.
In 2014, 3.32% of all kidneys transplanted from living people came from people who wished to never meet the recipient and who wished to remain anonymous regarding the entire thing.
They're not receiving a financial benefit or any sort of clout from this action. There's zero incentive to do this besides simply caring enough about humanity so as to sacrifice one's own internal organ to potentially save the life of any given fellow human being.
If one can care that much about any given person without even knowing them, there are _definitely_ people who can be _madly_ in love with someone they do know well and who is actually special to them at that.
If you're truly aromantic, I suspect that unfamiliarity is not the issue because your point seems less that romantic feelings alone aren't real and more that people just straight up don't give a single fuck about each other. Out of the two possible options I presented, it seems you've gone with the first and are therefore very naively assuming everyone is like you. You may simply possess lower than normal empathy. As long as there's some capacity for it, a mother is a very common exception to the norm. Some experts believe even Ted Bundy did in fact love his mother. I'm not comparing you to him but showing that in even more extreme cases of lacking empathy apparent exceptions for mothers aren't unheard of.
But I must say, your behavior is very unusual for that to be the case. Take usual behavior of asexuals for example. They generally simply don't care for sex or perhaps even think it's pretty disgusting but they don't crusade against it. When you encounter an asexual persistently demanding all sex stop, you've almost certainly encountered a very naturally sexual person who has been scorned in some way and who now wishes or even believes they're asexual.
Well aromantics are the same. They simply have no interest in romance or perhaps even a bit of an aversion to it (like some asexuals with sex) that they mostly keep to themselves or mention in passing when the topic comes up. They certainly don't go on crusades against love, also insisting no one gives a fuck about each other in general. That is not at all normal behavior. Just making this post at all required a lot more effort than indifference warrants.
I'm generally not at _all_ a fan of suggesting someone else has their orientation wrong but in extreme situations sometimes certain very obvious things aren't easily overlooked, and there's simply no denying that your behavior is _remarkably_ more consistent with scorned people who now resent love because it didn't work how they wanted for them rather than people simply not having an interest in it. There's an emotionally charged element to this that really isn't adding up.
But again perhaps the deal is low empathy and the emotion is simply extreme frustration with not understanding why the entire world is faking something in lieu of understanding it isn't faking because it's difficult to wrap your head around being the odd one out. You would be faking, so they must be. That's not logical. This is actually extremely common with low empathy.
At any rate, I hope you find your answers and that you have a nice day.
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"They're not receiving a financial benefit or any sort of clout from this action. There's zero incentive to do this besides simply caring enough about humanity so as to sacrifice one's own internal organ to potentially save the life of any given fellow human being".
That does not mean they care about people. I've already added an explanation on why this does not mean they genuinely care for people.
"If one can care that much about any given person without even knowing them, there are _definitely_ people who can be _madly_ in love with someone they do know well and who is actually special to them at that".
Once again, that does not mean they actually love people.
"If you're truly aromantic, I suspect that unfamiliarity is not the issue because your point seems less that romantic feelings alone aren't real and more that people just straight up don't give a single fuck about each other. Out of the two possible options I presented, it seems you've gone with the first and are therefore very naively assuming everyone is like you. You may simply possess lower than normal empathy. As long as there's some capacity for it, a mother is a very common exception to the norm. Some experts believe even Ted Bundy did in fact love his mother. I'm not comparing you to him but showing that in even more extreme cases of lacking empathy apparent exceptions for mothers aren't unheard of".
I'm not "naively" assuming everyone is like me. I'm not some big scary sociopath that wants to believe everyone is like me. I'm sorry, but this is reality. People only pretend they genuinely have love for others, which I'm guessing is due to getting told by a society who also doesn't genuinely care about others that they SHOULD care for other people. At the end of the day, it all comes down to society and the social contract, It's all about the image. Also, if people really did actually care for others, people wouldn't be so against each other for crying out loud. People are fake and that is up to you if you choose to believe that.
"But I must say, your behavior is very unusual for that to be the case. Take usual behavior of asexuals for example. They generally simply don't care for sex or perhaps even think it's pretty disgusting but they don't crusade against it. When you encounter an asexual persistently demanding all sex stop, you've almost certainly encountered a very naturally sexual person who has been scorned in some way and who now wishes or even believes they're asexual".
This is untrue. Very poor argument. Asexuals can most definitely crusade against it, and in case you didn't know, there is a term called "Antisexual". Once again, awful argument.
"I'm generally not at _all_ a fan of suggesting someone else has their orientation wrong but in extreme situations sometimes certain very obvious things aren't easily overlooked, and there's simply no denying that your behavior is _remarkably_ more consistent with scorned people who now resent love because it didn't work how they wanted for them rather than people simply not having an interest in it. There's an emotionally charged element to this that really isn't adding up".
Wow. I have to say, I am really in love with all the analyzing you're doing. Seriously, does knowing that the majority possibly only pretends to have love for others hurt you that much?🙄 I say, this is a great example of C.S. Lewis's quote. Also, for someone who claims to not be a fan on deciding someone's true orientation, that is exactly what you're doing now. How can you say you're not a fan of something, yet proceed to do that exact thing? You're like those people who say they don't want to hurt your feelings, yet go on to hurt your feelings.
"But again perhaps the deal is low empathy and the emotion is simply extreme frustration with not understanding why the entire world is faking something in lieu of understanding it isn't faking because it's difficult to wrap your head around being the odd one out. You would be faking, so they must be. That's not logical. This is actually extremely common with low empathy".
Sorry pal, but again, this is just the world we're living in. We're just living in a world filled with fake smiles, fake behavior, fake love. Like I said, people are fake. No need to make these unnecessary analyzations, no need to make false conclusions, because that is just not the case. The world is just filled with people that put on a facade. I know this is something that is too much for you to bear, but coming with false conclusions to hide the fact that you are unwilling to accept the true nature of things is not going to change a damn thing. But if you wish to continue, you're free to do so.
"At any rate, I hope you find your answers and that you have a nice day".
Same for you.