I don't know what Shane you're talking about, but most of the time he was only for the killing if it was needed, up until when he planned on killing Rick, which he had a reason for aswell, one I agree with.
I don't think he was a badguy at all, just one that knew what needed to be done, regardless of being a good person. He sacrificed his own morality for the group, and he has put himself in danger for others more than anyone else.
All the choices he tried to make for the group were the right ones, and Rick constantly said that his plans aren't going to happen, which in term made consequences for the group that wouldn't happen if they went with Shane's idea.
I personally hate Lori. It's understandable she wants to be with her husband due to her thinking he was dead (Shane thought he was too), but how she just dropped him from her and Carl's life was terrible. He looked after Carl and done more to keep Carl alive than Rick or Lori did, and all he wanted to do was protect Lori and Carl, something he was doing better than anyone else. I mean, Rick put the whole group in danger due to not going to kill that Randal kid, and he insinuated that he would bring his group to the farm to Carl when Carl sneaked in to see him, but he done it in a way as in to say "Our group will help you all". And Lori? Ugh. Remember what Jim said to her in season one? He said "Don't ever let him out of your sight, you look after him", and all she had to do was make sure he doesn't go off anywhere so he doesn't get killed, yet about two to three times Carl has sneaked out and put himself in danger or possible danger because she couldn't even look after him? Shane was a much better father suited to Carl in those times, and Shane was the better leader. Regardless, he got murdered by Rick because Shane felt he needed to kill Rick due to making all the wrong choices.
I specificly liked the part when Lori got put in her place by Andrea. Andrea was helping fight the walkers, defending the place, and Lori tried to say all she done was sit on the van working on her tan, which wasn't true. I was like "Lori, you stupid bitch", she couldn't even look after her son, yet she's criticising other peoples contributions to the group?
well Shane tried to rape Lori in that building before it blew up... you say Shane did everything right yet he wanted to give the kid a gun and look because of that he got hurt. most of the thing Shane said put the group in danger. personally i think they were both as bad as each other.
Half the stuff Shane told Carl wasn't right either, not everyone is a perfect dad and it's even harder when your trying to protect a whole group of people.
plus if Shane was such a great leader then why did everyone jump at having Rick as there new lead that's got to say something about you theory. Shane was a grumpy man how was upset because the woman he'd been sleeping with left him for his best friend, even though Shane told Lori that Rick was dead and he didn't even know the full facts. he shouldn't of said that and hurt her and Carl before he knew the truth. Shane was designed to be the bad guy.
you sound like you have a crush on him which would be sweet. But anyway Shane and Rick were both just alike except one of them were thinking logically like people should and the other one wanted to kill people for the sake of killing. i know the world looks like it's ending but if you don't keep hope and think there is something out there like Rick did then you might as well kill yourself because there is nothing to live for.
I wouldn't say he had "rape" in his mind. He obviously thought that she still loved him and would still want to, which is why when she hit him away he had that shocked look on his face and with haste, removed himself from the situation.
He wanted to give the kid a gun because it was the right call. Times like those would merit it. Carl needs to learn how to survive and have protection, otherwise he could end up like Sophia, she had no protection or training, look how she ended up.
I dissagree completely. Shane wanted to kill Randal due to the fact that it is very possible he will go back to his old group, bring them back to the farm, and kill or take over the farm. Later on this becomes obvious that Randall planned to do that when Carl sneaked in to the shed where Randall was tied up, he told Carl he's bring his group to the farm and "Help and look after your group if you untie me".
When Shane shot Otis, it was the right call. It was either leave one for bait to escape with the medial equipment and save the child, or just continue the way they were going, in which case three lives would of ended then, not just one. Shane sacrificed his morallity for Carl.
The reason why they had Rick as the maine leader was because he was taking a very dominant role, not a logical one. Leaders have to sacrifice at times if it's needed, they have to make the t ough decisions, and Rick can never do that. It's not like Shane was going to challenge his best friend even from childhood that just got found out to be alive.
Shane wasn't a grumpy man until after the Lori going back to Rick. It wasn't just the fact that Lori left him for her husband, it's how she just dropped him completely, not to mention stopped him from even speaking to Carl, the child he bonded with and protected while his father was gone, presumed dead.
Shane, if you don't remember, tried his best to save Rick. He went through military, almost getting himself killed. He still planned on carrying Rick out of there, he tried and seen that he was still hooked up to machines that were keeping him alive. Then that explosion made the building shake and the power turn off, the machine that keeps people alive was off. He put his head to Ricks heart and heard no heartbeat. Regardless of that, even though he had no reason to think he was alive, he put the stretch bed infront of his room door just incase so that walkers can't get in.
Shane states that before he became romantically involved with Lori, he was looking out for her, that he "never looked at her before at all like that". Obviously both are to blame for the incident of them being together, and Lori should of worked towards a smooth ending of the relationship, not "you can't see me, you can't see my son, Rick is the boss, etc". She even, instead of even trying to calmly and rationally make him understand it's over, told Rick to do something about it.
Yes, he was originally designed to be the bad guy in the comic book series, but the show is different from the comic book series quite a bit, especially the Shane part. Shane in the comic book is not the same Shane from the show.
No, no crush, I'm not homosexual. I admire the character, though. He was right in almost all of his decisions, and I could definetly identify with why he would take such actions.
I dissagree. You are linking Rick with thinking logically (no way) and Shane with just being a mindless killer (No way). Rick is in no way more logical than Shane. Rick has made bad call after bad call. For example, Rick wanted to save Merl, Shane thought it was a terrible idea until he heard guns were involved to protect the group. If Rick had just went to for the guns and left Merl (Like Shane originally insinuated they should do; leave him), they would of got the guns and returned to the group before the zombie swarm killed most of their group. But no, Rick wanted to risk himself and the group members, including the ones with him, for Merl Dixon, someone that almost got the group at the shop in the city killed.
Shane has never killed someone just for the sake of killing them. Never. He has always had justifiable reasons. Otis, it was either let one die to save two others, or three people die. Randall, he killed because the whole danger of him bringing his gang to the farm, (which Randall stated he would do), and I can't recall anyone else other than attempting to kill Rick (which I think was quite far out, but still justifiable). If he was just a killer for the sake of killing, why didn't he kill Rick early in season two when he had his shotgun aimed at him? Or when he was alone with Dale, far from anyone else, in which Dale had a gun to him, then lowered his gun, he would of killed Dale if he was just killing for the sake of killing like you suggested.
Hope is good to have, being able to adapt to the enviroment to survive is most important. Sure, you can have hope, it's no good if you're being ripped to pieces, though.
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It is a good show. I do think it won't be as good without Shane.
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yeah you always need a bad guy lol he was all about the killing and i like that XD
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I don't know what Shane you're talking about, but most of the time he was only for the killing if it was needed, up until when he planned on killing Rick, which he had a reason for aswell, one I agree with.
I don't think he was a badguy at all, just one that knew what needed to be done, regardless of being a good person. He sacrificed his own morality for the group, and he has put himself in danger for others more than anyone else.
All the choices he tried to make for the group were the right ones, and Rick constantly said that his plans aren't going to happen, which in term made consequences for the group that wouldn't happen if they went with Shane's idea.
I personally hate Lori. It's understandable she wants to be with her husband due to her thinking he was dead (Shane thought he was too), but how she just dropped him from her and Carl's life was terrible. He looked after Carl and done more to keep Carl alive than Rick or Lori did, and all he wanted to do was protect Lori and Carl, something he was doing better than anyone else. I mean, Rick put the whole group in danger due to not going to kill that Randal kid, and he insinuated that he would bring his group to the farm to Carl when Carl sneaked in to see him, but he done it in a way as in to say "Our group will help you all". And Lori? Ugh. Remember what Jim said to her in season one? He said "Don't ever let him out of your sight, you look after him", and all she had to do was make sure he doesn't go off anywhere so he doesn't get killed, yet about two to three times Carl has sneaked out and put himself in danger or possible danger because she couldn't even look after him? Shane was a much better father suited to Carl in those times, and Shane was the better leader. Regardless, he got murdered by Rick because Shane felt he needed to kill Rick due to making all the wrong choices.
I specificly liked the part when Lori got put in her place by Andrea. Andrea was helping fight the walkers, defending the place, and Lori tried to say all she done was sit on the van working on her tan, which wasn't true. I was like "Lori, you stupid bitch", she couldn't even look after her son, yet she's criticising other peoples contributions to the group?
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well Shane tried to rape Lori in that building before it blew up... you say Shane did everything right yet he wanted to give the kid a gun and look because of that he got hurt. most of the thing Shane said put the group in danger. personally i think they were both as bad as each other.
Half the stuff Shane told Carl wasn't right either, not everyone is a perfect dad and it's even harder when your trying to protect a whole group of people.
plus if Shane was such a great leader then why did everyone jump at having Rick as there new lead that's got to say something about you theory. Shane was a grumpy man how was upset because the woman he'd been sleeping with left him for his best friend, even though Shane told Lori that Rick was dead and he didn't even know the full facts. he shouldn't of said that and hurt her and Carl before he knew the truth. Shane was designed to be the bad guy.
you sound like you have a crush on him which would be sweet. But anyway Shane and Rick were both just alike except one of them were thinking logically like people should and the other one wanted to kill people for the sake of killing. i know the world looks like it's ending but if you don't keep hope and think there is something out there like Rick did then you might as well kill yourself because there is nothing to live for.
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I wouldn't say he had "rape" in his mind. He obviously thought that she still loved him and would still want to, which is why when she hit him away he had that shocked look on his face and with haste, removed himself from the situation.
He wanted to give the kid a gun because it was the right call. Times like those would merit it. Carl needs to learn how to survive and have protection, otherwise he could end up like Sophia, she had no protection or training, look how she ended up.
I dissagree completely. Shane wanted to kill Randal due to the fact that it is very possible he will go back to his old group, bring them back to the farm, and kill or take over the farm. Later on this becomes obvious that Randall planned to do that when Carl sneaked in to the shed where Randall was tied up, he told Carl he's bring his group to the farm and "Help and look after your group if you untie me".
When Shane shot Otis, it was the right call. It was either leave one for bait to escape with the medial equipment and save the child, or just continue the way they were going, in which case three lives would of ended then, not just one. Shane sacrificed his morallity for Carl.
The reason why they had Rick as the maine leader was because he was taking a very dominant role, not a logical one. Leaders have to sacrifice at times if it's needed, they have to make the t ough decisions, and Rick can never do that. It's not like Shane was going to challenge his best friend even from childhood that just got found out to be alive.
Shane wasn't a grumpy man until after the Lori going back to Rick. It wasn't just the fact that Lori left him for her husband, it's how she just dropped him completely, not to mention stopped him from even speaking to Carl, the child he bonded with and protected while his father was gone, presumed dead.
Shane, if you don't remember, tried his best to save Rick. He went through military, almost getting himself killed. He still planned on carrying Rick out of there, he tried and seen that he was still hooked up to machines that were keeping him alive. Then that explosion made the building shake and the power turn off, the machine that keeps people alive was off. He put his head to Ricks heart and heard no heartbeat. Regardless of that, even though he had no reason to think he was alive, he put the stretch bed infront of his room door just incase so that walkers can't get in.
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Shane states that before he became romantically involved with Lori, he was looking out for her, that he "never looked at her before at all like that". Obviously both are to blame for the incident of them being together, and Lori should of worked towards a smooth ending of the relationship, not "you can't see me, you can't see my son, Rick is the boss, etc". She even, instead of even trying to calmly and rationally make him understand it's over, told Rick to do something about it.
Yes, he was originally designed to be the bad guy in the comic book series, but the show is different from the comic book series quite a bit, especially the Shane part. Shane in the comic book is not the same Shane from the show.
No, no crush, I'm not homosexual. I admire the character, though. He was right in almost all of his decisions, and I could definetly identify with why he would take such actions.
I dissagree. You are linking Rick with thinking logically (no way) and Shane with just being a mindless killer (No way). Rick is in no way more logical than Shane. Rick has made bad call after bad call. For example, Rick wanted to save Merl, Shane thought it was a terrible idea until he heard guns were involved to protect the group. If Rick had just went to for the guns and left Merl (Like Shane originally insinuated they should do; leave him), they would of got the guns and returned to the group before the zombie swarm killed most of their group. But no, Rick wanted to risk himself and the group members, including the ones with him, for Merl Dixon, someone that almost got the group at the shop in the city killed.
Shane has never killed someone just for the sake of killing them. Never. He has always had justifiable reasons. Otis, it was either let one die to save two others, or three people die. Randall, he killed because the whole danger of him bringing his gang to the farm, (which Randall stated he would do), and I can't recall anyone else other than attempting to kill Rick (which I think was quite far out, but still justifiable). If he was just a killer for the sake of killing, why didn't he kill Rick early in season two when he had his shotgun aimed at him? Or when he was alone with Dale, far from anyone else, in which Dale had a gun to him, then lowered his gun, he would of killed Dale if he was just killing for the sake of killing like you suggested.
Hope is good to have, being able to adapt to the enviroment to survive is most important. Sure, you can have hope, it's no good if you're being ripped to pieces, though.
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Can definetly tell you like that show.
But I've had that song stuck in my head all day after looking at your post.
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I can't blame you, it's a really good song.
For real, Shane was the best character.