While we can predict that the sun will continue to rise (save for some cosmic catastrophe that we would be unable to forsee) the argument you used is fallacious. Don't rely on induction, it is too often faulty.
I would say rather we can predict the sun will rise tomorrow because we have observed the rotation of our planet and know that every 24 hours (roughly) it makes one full rotation, thus as long as the planet is rotating it shall turn to the sun every day.
ok I agree, that's clearer.
I did say 'evidence' I just didn't elaborate on these said 'facts'
Looking back, both what you said and I said still help the OP.
I mostly wanted to point it out because I could see that explanation confusing someone in a debate. It just sounded a lot like what my Epistemology professor used as an example when we were talking about induction. Because it's easy to say the sun will rise every day because it always has, and it's technically correct. Problem is people try to apply that sort of reasoning to things that wouldn't make sense.
Actually after I posted I then re-read over what I wrote and what you wrote and actually stared at the post for a while.
I honestly agree with what you said.
Thankyou for pointing this out to me.
I'd also be happy for other constructive criticisms at any time (ie other posts you ever see)
I understand that some do take offense (or defense as I have quickly done incorrectly) to such things. But in reality I enjoy learning. Sometimes it takes me a few minutes to see the light though! So bare with me on that.
Lying, as I've always understood the definition, has little to do with "at the present time".
Just because someone is coming towards you with a pair of scissors doesn't mean they're trying to kill although it APPEARS that way just as it appeared the man was lying.
Given a little more time, you'd see that they're just trying to cut your hair just as the man in my example was telling of a future evil to come.
It's the truth, it's just a truth that hasn't come to fruition yet.
But the statement was not true at that time.
No one was going to come and take over.
If you were able to get a truthful answer out of the person, he would have said, well that's a lie since no one is coming, UNLESS I organize it further.
If the man suddenly had a heart attack and died before he got to the other side, then it would be no doubt that he lied, as no one came! Nor were they going to.
A lie cannot be made into a truth in my view.
What this story is in fact is coniving, scheming, and basically a lie at that time. EVEN if it then came true later on.
You may need to explain it more logical detail if you don't feel I've got it.
Presently I say > Lie
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While we can predict that the sun will continue to rise (save for some cosmic catastrophe that we would be unable to forsee) the argument you used is fallacious. Don't rely on induction, it is too often faulty.
I would say rather we can predict the sun will rise tomorrow because we have observed the rotation of our planet and know that every 24 hours (roughly) it makes one full rotation, thus as long as the planet is rotating it shall turn to the sun every day.
Just thought I'd point that out. :3
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ok I agree, that's clearer.
I did say 'evidence' I just didn't elaborate on these said 'facts'
Looking back, both what you said and I said still help the OP.
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I mostly wanted to point it out because I could see that explanation confusing someone in a debate. It just sounded a lot like what my Epistemology professor used as an example when we were talking about induction. Because it's easy to say the sun will rise every day because it always has, and it's technically correct. Problem is people try to apply that sort of reasoning to things that wouldn't make sense.
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Actually after I posted I then re-read over what I wrote and what you wrote and actually stared at the post for a while.
I honestly agree with what you said.
Thankyou for pointing this out to me.
I'd also be happy for other constructive criticisms at any time (ie other posts you ever see)
I understand that some do take offense (or defense as I have quickly done incorrectly) to such things. But in reality I enjoy learning. Sometimes it takes me a few minutes to see the light though! So bare with me on that.
Lying, as I've always understood the definition, has little to do with "at the present time".
Just because someone is coming towards you with a pair of scissors doesn't mean they're trying to kill although it APPEARS that way just as it appeared the man was lying.
Given a little more time, you'd see that they're just trying to cut your hair just as the man in my example was telling of a future evil to come.
It's the truth, it's just a truth that hasn't come to fruition yet.
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But the statement was not true at that time.
No one was going to come and take over.
If you were able to get a truthful answer out of the person, he would have said, well that's a lie since no one is coming, UNLESS I organize it further.
If the man suddenly had a heart attack and died before he got to the other side, then it would be no doubt that he lied, as no one came! Nor were they going to.
A lie cannot be made into a truth in my view.
What this story is in fact is coniving, scheming, and basically a lie at that time. EVEN if it then came true later on.
You may need to explain it more logical detail if you don't feel I've got it.
Presently I say > Lie