It's a nonstandard usage, but at least it makes more sense then using the word feminism to refer to gender equality. I mean it's right there in the name, FEMinism, FEMale, it's not about equality.
Just because it's got "fem" in the name doesn't mean it isn't about equality. If your argument is supported by only three letters, then you've got a very shallow argument.
Soooo, wait. You're claiming the "fem" feminism means something else? It's just a coincidence that the name sounds like it refers to the same group of people who predominantly subscribe to the ideology and whose interests it serves?
Not a coincidence, but it might as well be for all the importance it has.
Feminism was created many years ago when gender equality was more black and white. Men had more rights than women in pretty much all cases. Calling an gender equality ideology "feminism" would make sense in that time seeing as females had less rights across the board.
Now it's a left over term applied in the same way but to a wider group of people seeing as the scales are less unfairly balanced. As I see it, women still have a worse condition than men but it's more clear that men have an unacceptable condition in some areas too. Feminism serves men's interests in areas where men have an unacceptable condition. It's happening right now in this thread: I am a feminist, and I am defending men's rights right here.
I think you're putting too much importance on the word. It's just a word. Which letters appear in a word don't define the word's meaning.
I knew we're way off topic now but... At best it's kind of ironic though isn't it? Many feminists seem to agree language and word choice are pretty important.
I think we both know his argument has a lot more ground than just 3 letters. Associating it with equality really may not have started off the way its publicized but it's largely been dubbed and accepted as nothing more than a formality by both genders, unofficial as it may be.
I really disagree. I am a feminist, and I believe in equality. I know a lot of feminists personally, and every single one of them believes in equality. I'm sure there are feminists who do not believe in equality, but that isn't enough to debunk the fact that any academically rigorous flavour of feminism has equality as part of its ideological core.
Where are you feminists when society is being unfair to men? Where are you militants and activists when the government treats men as disposable tools and sperm donors? When something bad happens to women you manifest on the street or in the court, signing petitions and walking around with banners victimizing yourself. If you claim you're all for equality, why don't you get out on the street when injustice is being done to men? Because you don't want equality. You want privilege and supremacy. You fucking hypocrites!
Is the paternity system feminist?
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It's a nonstandard usage, but at least it makes more sense then using the word feminism to refer to gender equality. I mean it's right there in the name, FEMinism, FEMale, it's not about equality.
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Just because it's got "fem" in the name doesn't mean it isn't about equality. If your argument is supported by only three letters, then you've got a very shallow argument.
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Soooo, wait. You're claiming the "fem" feminism means something else? It's just a coincidence that the name sounds like it refers to the same group of people who predominantly subscribe to the ideology and whose interests it serves?
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Not a coincidence, but it might as well be for all the importance it has.
Feminism was created many years ago when gender equality was more black and white. Men had more rights than women in pretty much all cases. Calling an gender equality ideology "feminism" would make sense in that time seeing as females had less rights across the board.
Now it's a left over term applied in the same way but to a wider group of people seeing as the scales are less unfairly balanced. As I see it, women still have a worse condition than men but it's more clear that men have an unacceptable condition in some areas too. Feminism serves men's interests in areas where men have an unacceptable condition. It's happening right now in this thread: I am a feminist, and I am defending men's rights right here.
I think you're putting too much importance on the word. It's just a word. Which letters appear in a word don't define the word's meaning.
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I knew we're way off topic now but... At best it's kind of ironic though isn't it? Many feminists seem to agree language and word choice are pretty important.
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Do they? I can't say I've noticed. Are you talking about being PC? I don't see the irony. Sorry :P
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PC doesn't mean anything. I mean in terms of how language influences how you think, "unfortunate implications" and that kind of thing.
I think we both know his argument has a lot more ground than just 3 letters. Associating it with equality really may not have started off the way its publicized but it's largely been dubbed and accepted as nothing more than a formality by both genders, unofficial as it may be.
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I really disagree. I am a feminist, and I believe in equality. I know a lot of feminists personally, and every single one of them believes in equality. I'm sure there are feminists who do not believe in equality, but that isn't enough to debunk the fact that any academically rigorous flavour of feminism has equality as part of its ideological core.
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Where are you feminists when society is being unfair to men? Where are you militants and activists when the government treats men as disposable tools and sperm donors? When something bad happens to women you manifest on the street or in the court, signing petitions and walking around with banners victimizing yourself. If you claim you're all for equality, why don't you get out on the street when injustice is being done to men? Because you don't want equality. You want privilege and supremacy. You fucking hypocrites!
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... Well. You've gotta respect his honesty. Feminism has had a track record of only being about equality when it bennefits... well femailes.
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Amen.
Not really :/ Here I am in this very thread, representing feminism and advocating that which benefits males. At the same time! :P
Hmm.