Heavy weight training does catch up eventually. Of course steroids help one push beyond normal limits.
I know you don't want to hear an "old person" ramble but - it just isn't good for one's joints. In an article I read about Ronnie (which I linked below) he mentions having no regrets. That seems a bit hard to believe if someone cannot even walk properly.
I never used steroids myself but from age 15 til about 25 I was big into it. I now have some slight back, knee, and elbow problems. Nothing that stops me from functioning each day but I do have to be a little more careful.
Point is, our choices eventually catch up. Sometimes it sucks.
Here is what I read about Ronnie - https://www.sportbible.com/news/sport-bodybuildings-goat-ronnie-coleman-might-never-walk-again-20181029
Nope you are 100% right lol. You came in expecting a disagreement didn't you? Ronnie did get a little bit u lucky in terms of his joints, I would argue. Many strength athletes and bodybuilders who used steriods, even guys his caliber like Dorian Uates for example, are much better off.
I don't deny any of the risk, I just think it's worth it and most people don't. Ronnie Coleman won 8 Mr. Olympias and had one of the best physiques of all time. He would rather risk reaching that high of a level than be normal and live healthier and longer. I understand and respect this point of view!
That said, I don't take nearly as much risk as Ronnie Coleman, obviously. Its feasible I could reach his level of strength on the big lifts at some point in my career, but my muscular development will never hold a candle to this man and I know that for a fact!
"You came in expecting a disagreement didn't you?"
I know when I was that age and people told me to be careful, that was the last thing I wanted to hear. So yeah, I though I was treading thin ice.
On the other hand, it's funny how if one is an athlete, he or she risks joint pain for the future. Yet if someone is a couch potato, they risk obesity and never being very strong. It is like either way we are screwed.
But on to more important things -
I remember when Dorian Yates took over as the big name in bodybuilding. Lee Haney had just retired from competition. I mam kind of proud you know who some of the now "classics" are in the sport. I remember when they were pretty new, and now today's generation knows who they are.
One thing though that didn't set well with some fans back then is how Frank Zane ever won (even if that is super old news now). What is your take on that or is it ever even thought or talked about any more?
I mean I was in self denial of the risks of my training and substance use for a while too lol it's normal.
Either way were screwed as right. The healthiest option would be moderation actually. I would actually do cardio, not train as heavy, as intense, take way less supplements and no steriods, eat cleaner and bot gain weight ect. I just think doing stuff in moderation is the most lame thing ever.
I'd rather be extreme and controversial than lame and mediocre!
I am not really an avid bodybuilding fan actually. Sorry lol. I know about Frank Zane but not many details so I wouldn't know. More a fan of strength sports but even then I'm not like a crazy nerdy fan who knows everyone.
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Heavy weight training does catch up eventually. Of course steroids help one push beyond normal limits.
I know you don't want to hear an "old person" ramble but - it just isn't good for one's joints. In an article I read about Ronnie (which I linked below) he mentions having no regrets. That seems a bit hard to believe if someone cannot even walk properly.
I never used steroids myself but from age 15 til about 25 I was big into it. I now have some slight back, knee, and elbow problems. Nothing that stops me from functioning each day but I do have to be a little more careful.
Point is, our choices eventually catch up. Sometimes it sucks.
Here is what I read about Ronnie - https://www.sportbible.com/news/sport-bodybuildings-goat-ronnie-coleman-might-never-walk-again-20181029
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Nope you are 100% right lol. You came in expecting a disagreement didn't you? Ronnie did get a little bit u lucky in terms of his joints, I would argue. Many strength athletes and bodybuilders who used steriods, even guys his caliber like Dorian Uates for example, are much better off.
I don't deny any of the risk, I just think it's worth it and most people don't. Ronnie Coleman won 8 Mr. Olympias and had one of the best physiques of all time. He would rather risk reaching that high of a level than be normal and live healthier and longer. I understand and respect this point of view!
That said, I don't take nearly as much risk as Ronnie Coleman, obviously. Its feasible I could reach his level of strength on the big lifts at some point in my career, but my muscular development will never hold a candle to this man and I know that for a fact!
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"You came in expecting a disagreement didn't you?"
I know when I was that age and people told me to be careful, that was the last thing I wanted to hear. So yeah, I though I was treading thin ice.
On the other hand, it's funny how if one is an athlete, he or she risks joint pain for the future. Yet if someone is a couch potato, they risk obesity and never being very strong. It is like either way we are screwed.
But on to more important things -
I remember when Dorian Yates took over as the big name in bodybuilding. Lee Haney had just retired from competition. I mam kind of proud you know who some of the now "classics" are in the sport. I remember when they were pretty new, and now today's generation knows who they are.
One thing though that didn't set well with some fans back then is how Frank Zane ever won (even if that is super old news now). What is your take on that or is it ever even thought or talked about any more?
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I mean I was in self denial of the risks of my training and substance use for a while too lol it's normal.
Either way were screwed as right. The healthiest option would be moderation actually. I would actually do cardio, not train as heavy, as intense, take way less supplements and no steriods, eat cleaner and bot gain weight ect. I just think doing stuff in moderation is the most lame thing ever.
I'd rather be extreme and controversial than lame and mediocre!
I am not really an avid bodybuilding fan actually. Sorry lol. I know about Frank Zane but not many details so I wouldn't know. More a fan of strength sports but even then I'm not like a crazy nerdy fan who knows everyone.