im sorry if you mind it... but i would request you dont ever argue on a religion you'll have to pay for it somewhere in real life you can be put in a thick soup....!!! dont take it on heart man i just got hyper... ;p
I spit on all gospel religious gods (note they are foolish idiotic religious fiction)
I hope that doesn't cause any ill effect?
Oh dear, no issue. As usual religion is wrong.
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oho.... tell me what are you ... i really think you dont have any religion... tell me what you believe in... plz its getting more suspense !!! without religion its all just so complicated..!!!
The main reason is due to lack of evidence in any deity. Plus it just seems like common sense that everything evolved naturally.
The idea of an almighty god figure, is the most complicated, beyond any rational reasoning (including everything we see in our world or the universe, or even past events) It just seems like utter nonsense to me.
The option of an intelligent alien force creating life here is more feasible, and even that is extremely unlikely as we now know how everything evolved, even here on Earth.
Thankfully ALL public schools are now teaching children about science and evolution. Anything (at all, other than history - like how we once believed in witches)to do with a 'god' (ridiculous) has been totally removed. Hooray for that.
Can you supply any proof of god? If so then you'd win the noble prize. Because as yet there has not even been the slightest of proof from anywhere.
Lack of evidence in god, is a pretty sound statement. Don't you feel we should all be atheists? I do.
im really sorry if any where during any conversation with you i've been disrespectful... you are much much elder then me... SORRY >>>:( im ashamed once i said SHUT UP....
Damn you o_0, I wasn't going to reply then saw your last comment here! :D
Oh well, may as well reply, especially in light of recent 'Muslim' worldwide demonstrations of their 'peaceful' (huh!) religion.
I think my concern is that religion seems to be dependent upon country of birth (in the 'most' part)
If you were born and raised in the Middle East, then you'd likely be a Muhammad worshiper, if in say the US then probably a 'Jesus' lover. Even this in itself shows me that either 1: One is wrong, or both (sway towards both) 2: Its a 'cultural' thing that parents continually hand down to their children (quite obviously that doesn't denote proof itself)
I understand you can't 'prove' this feeling to me. Nor can I 100% prove that their is no god. My concerns are for humankind to continue to progress, and I feel we have come to a time in our human race that we need to let go of the old ways and embrace science, at least on survival alone!
I STILL feel the Bible or Qur'an is NOT a book of knowledge or 'science'! Since that is a contradiction.
I spoke to an 'open' old friend today about spiritual beliefs and religion. My obvious point was that its myth and fairytale. He on the other hand stated he did NOT believe in any religion, BUT believes that a 'god' or 'something' MUST exist. All examples he gave seemed weak (to me) nothing proved his point. I suggested he 'may' be agnostic, but he felt he was more SCIENTIFIC than that. (?)
I continued with how we cannot just say 'god did it', as we need to research and gain scientific facts/knowledge BEFORE we jump to any (unfounded) conclusions, as this is normal real 'human like'. To learn and learn and eventually come to an intelligent reasonable conclusion.
He stated I was not 'open' to such things and therefore not as 'wise' on the topic! My point was that I AM open to ANYTHING, one of those things was not to jump at conclusions and be so closed minded to state, oh well we don't know, therefore a god did it!! That to me is CLOSED minded.
It continually comes down to words and meanings, basically semantics. You yourself feel the Qur'an is full of knowledge even science! It concerns me greatly when religiously minded people use these words OUT OF CONTEXT. How can the Qur'an be used to help 'people'? Its about ~1400 years old! Through an illiterate 'messenger' written in Arabic. These things that supposedly hold true today took what? 1400 years to manifest themselves today? Is the landing on Mars in there too? What about the specifics of Andromeda galaxy on direct impact with our galaxy one day? Aren't these things (and MUCH more) important enough to be recited by god (your Allah)?
Interpretations and cherry picking and even coincidence (especially allowing anytime within 1400 years!) Does not help science or humankind. Nor does the misuse of 'words' being used to describe such things as the Qur'an as 'scientifically knowledgeable'! These types of wording and misplaced education can lead to devastating effects. Its a matter of poorly guided individuals believing in a quest to destroy ALL humans, not just ones that don't believe in Allah (death be upon this ridiculous belief).
Separation of church and state worldwide is inevitable. People are just not that gullible any longer about miracles and scientific impossibilities (like an all powerful highly complicated 'god' like individual existing). Its nonsense and not even natural to our entire universe, let alone 'country of birth'!
your answer is impressive BUT i am a deep believer in almighty .... its not sufficient for me !!!! and i may not be able to proof the unseen presence of god but I'll try a bit from which is being taught to us through our holy book QURAN...
it was revealed about 400 years ago still it contains the most complicated scientific info man is discovering in such a modern time ... for instance -> in QURAN MY god says that he will burn ( as a punishment) the unbeliever in fire and once his skin get of because of the burn he will be taken out and and given a new skin... the question raised why ?? science proves it today that the sensation of any harm or injury is only associated with skin once an injury goes beyond it then there is no pain thats why god has stated punishment through skin only...!!! there are many other evidences that keeps ones eye wide open... thats why i suggested you to read QURAN plz plz that will at least increase your info about Islam.... and may be you realize that disrespecting any religion is not right and any believer is not a fool....!!!
Looks its true I haven't read the Qur'an.
But one of the main reasons is that it cannot help me (or anyone) as we now have updated (say even this year or last) factual science information available to refer to for any 'science' knowledge. I mean its not like doctors hold a Qur'an on their shelves to refer to on such things as skin and nerves etc etc. That would be crazy.
I decided to look up your 'skin' revitalizing argument, and here's the actual quote:
Qur'an 4:55 "Sufficient for them is Hell and the Flaming Fire! Those [Jews] who disbelieve Our Revelations shall be cast into Hell. When their skin is burnt up and singed, We shall give them a new coat that they may go on tasting the agony of punishment."
How lovely! You follow this? Why are you a sadist?
Christians do the exact same thing with the Bible, they keep re-deciphering it.
Strangely always AFTER a new science discovery was found.
Why don't these 'religious' followers tell us of our next find? Is there another atom or electron or something that we are again going to find (other than the newly discovered boson)
Why wait until science informs us of facts? And before you quote some 'end of days' doom and loom, no I'm not talking about that rubbish, I'm talking about these common science facts that religious people state they already had that in their good book, but just forgot to say it until SCIENCE came in. How ironic.
My understanding is the Qur'an is not like the Bible at all (with hidden desipherable facts, Lol) But what it is, is life a continual life passage, where the ending is not the same as the beginning. The problem is that these Arabs needed to keep writing and bring out revision 2 then 3 then 4. and so on. Up to now it would be revision 1400 or something. Then at least it would have some meaning.
We DON'T follow this old literature, because its outdated and nonsense (plus it keeps referring to this fiction god which obviously doesn't help.
We use SCIENCE (actual factual science) research, theories, facts, to help humankind presently and into the future.
Is it normal to wonder why people don't believe in Jesus?
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I'm an atheist and proud.
The main reason is due to lack of evidence in any deity. Plus it just seems like common sense that everything evolved naturally.
The idea of an almighty god figure, is the most complicated, beyond any rational reasoning (including everything we see in our world or the universe, or even past events) It just seems like utter nonsense to me.
The option of an intelligent alien force creating life here is more feasible, and even that is extremely unlikely as we now know how everything evolved, even here on Earth.
Thankfully ALL public schools are now teaching children about science and evolution. Anything (at all, other than history - like how we once believed in witches)to do with a 'god' (ridiculous) has been totally removed. Hooray for that.
Can you supply any proof of god? If so then you'd win the noble prize. Because as yet there has not even been the slightest of proof from anywhere.
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Damn you o_0, I wasn't going to reply then saw your last comment here! :D
Oh well, may as well reply, especially in light of recent 'Muslim' worldwide demonstrations of their 'peaceful' (huh!) religion.
I think my concern is that religion seems to be dependent upon country of birth (in the 'most' part)
If you were born and raised in the Middle East, then you'd likely be a Muhammad worshiper, if in say the US then probably a 'Jesus' lover. Even this in itself shows me that either 1: One is wrong, or both (sway towards both) 2: Its a 'cultural' thing that parents continually hand down to their children (quite obviously that doesn't denote proof itself)
I understand you can't 'prove' this feeling to me. Nor can I 100% prove that their is no god. My concerns are for humankind to continue to progress, and I feel we have come to a time in our human race that we need to let go of the old ways and embrace science, at least on survival alone!
I STILL feel the Bible or Qur'an is NOT a book of knowledge or 'science'! Since that is a contradiction.
I spoke to an 'open' old friend today about spiritual beliefs and religion. My obvious point was that its myth and fairytale. He on the other hand stated he did NOT believe in any religion, BUT believes that a 'god' or 'something' MUST exist. All examples he gave seemed weak (to me) nothing proved his point. I suggested he 'may' be agnostic, but he felt he was more SCIENTIFIC than that. (?)
I continued with how we cannot just say 'god did it', as we need to research and gain scientific facts/knowledge BEFORE we jump to any (unfounded) conclusions, as this is normal real 'human like'. To learn and learn and eventually come to an intelligent reasonable conclusion.
He stated I was not 'open' to such things and therefore not as 'wise' on the topic! My point was that I AM open to ANYTHING, one of those things was not to jump at conclusions and be so closed minded to state, oh well we don't know, therefore a god did it!! That to me is CLOSED minded.
It continually comes down to words and meanings, basically semantics. You yourself feel the Qur'an is full of knowledge even science! It concerns me greatly when religiously minded people use these words OUT OF CONTEXT. How can the Qur'an be used to help 'people'? Its about ~1400 years old! Through an illiterate 'messenger' written in Arabic. These things that supposedly hold true today took what? 1400 years to manifest themselves today? Is the landing on Mars in there too? What about the specifics of Andromeda galaxy on direct impact with our galaxy one day? Aren't these things (and MUCH more) important enough to be recited by god (your Allah)?
Interpretations and cherry picking and even coincidence (especially allowing anytime within 1400 years!) Does not help science or humankind. Nor does the misuse of 'words' being used to describe such things as the Qur'an as 'scientifically knowledgeable'! These types of wording and misplaced education can lead to devastating effects. Its a matter of poorly guided individuals believing in a quest to destroy ALL humans, not just ones that don't believe in Allah (death be upon this ridiculous belief).
Separation of church and state worldwide is inevitable. People are just not that gullible any longer about miracles and scientific impossibilities (like an all powerful highly complicated 'god' like individual existing). Its nonsense and not even natural to our entire universe, let alone 'country of birth'!
your answer is impressive BUT i am a deep believer in almighty .... its not sufficient for me !!!! and i may not be able to proof the unseen presence of god but I'll try a bit from which is being taught to us through our holy book QURAN...
it was revealed about 400 years ago still it contains the most complicated scientific info man is discovering in such a modern time ... for instance -> in QURAN MY god says that he will burn ( as a punishment) the unbeliever in fire and once his skin get of because of the burn he will be taken out and and given a new skin... the question raised why ?? science proves it today that the sensation of any harm or injury is only associated with skin once an injury goes beyond it then there is no pain thats why god has stated punishment through skin only...!!! there are many other evidences that keeps ones eye wide open... thats why i suggested you to read QURAN plz plz that will at least increase your info about Islam.... and may be you realize that disrespecting any religion is not right and any believer is not a fool....!!!
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Looks its true I haven't read the Qur'an.
But one of the main reasons is that it cannot help me (or anyone) as we now have updated (say even this year or last) factual science information available to refer to for any 'science' knowledge. I mean its not like doctors hold a Qur'an on their shelves to refer to on such things as skin and nerves etc etc. That would be crazy.
I decided to look up your 'skin' revitalizing argument, and here's the actual quote:
Qur'an 4:55 "Sufficient for them is Hell and the Flaming Fire! Those [Jews] who disbelieve Our Revelations shall be cast into Hell. When their skin is burnt up and singed, We shall give them a new coat that they may go on tasting the agony of punishment."
How lovely! You follow this? Why are you a sadist?
Christians do the exact same thing with the Bible, they keep re-deciphering it.
Strangely always AFTER a new science discovery was found.
Why don't these 'religious' followers tell us of our next find? Is there another atom or electron or something that we are again going to find (other than the newly discovered boson)
Why wait until science informs us of facts? And before you quote some 'end of days' doom and loom, no I'm not talking about that rubbish, I'm talking about these common science facts that religious people state they already had that in their good book, but just forgot to say it until SCIENCE came in. How ironic.
My understanding is the Qur'an is not like the Bible at all (with hidden desipherable facts, Lol) But what it is, is life a continual life passage, where the ending is not the same as the beginning. The problem is that these Arabs needed to keep writing and bring out revision 2 then 3 then 4. and so on. Up to now it would be revision 1400 or something. Then at least it would have some meaning.
We DON'T follow this old literature, because its outdated and nonsense (plus it keeps referring to this fiction god which obviously doesn't help.
We use SCIENCE (actual factual science) research, theories, facts, to help humankind presently and into the future.