Wow, its actually refreshing reading your comments, and knowing that you are way beyond the human myths that so many desperately hold onto.
You know that since humans evolved they are obviously the most intelligent (known) life that has existed on Earth. According to this logic the next 'species' may be even more intelligent or possibly evolved with a new sense that is beyond our understanding presently.
What I'm getting on about is, if you try to explain to a snail that eyes exist and the creatures that can see have an even more clearer understanding of the world, they'll just slowly slide off and never understand you! The NEXT intelligent lifeforms may be so far advanced that 'humans' may resemble plant life intelligence to us! So this 'evidence' would be so miniscule that they may even disregard the so called importance of humans life in our galaxy, except to say oh yes that thing existed once!
What impact have we truly made on the universe? Even Earth is NOT that effected. Give it a few billion years and the collision with our galaxy and another, Earth will just look like another dieing planet with our Sun.
Its sad, but working in our gardens has extremely little (actually pretty much zero) impact on anything of true existence in the entire universe. I mean 200K years just to say, that's a human? Lets see what happens when we move ahead another 5 Billion! I'd like to feel that we won't be extinct, but scientifically I feel its inevitable.
Another sidenote...you mentioned galaxy collisions.
I hope that I can reincarnate in a couple billion years...just so I can look up and see the Andromeda galaxy fill the night sky. It's hard to imagine anything that awesome.
Its true I've dreamt about looking up and seeing another galaxy within ours. Even more so, to see other planets up close like moon but actual real planets at similar (somewhat safe) distance.
It would seriously be a magical moment (possibly not the best use of descriptive words!).
Sadly the best we can hope for presently are meteor showers or comets passing by. But I think I'm with you and selfishly would like to see more of the universe in real life (not just pictures of distant cloud nebulae).
Your reincarnation theory (or hypothetical dream) I feel does have some minute substance. As you state from stardust to stardust, physically we don't just vanish. Our mind though may live on through our children (not sure, but that's the best hopeful that I can think of).
In the news they are presently questioning the big 'bang' part, and starting to theorize that it was just a crystallizing cooling effect that created cracks and the matter we see today. But that would mean that space actually has (or had) physical substance in its entirety to actually crystallize (like water into ice). It seems the 'bang' part of the big bang isn't perfectly natural to the universe (ie no real bangs in the last 13.7 billion years either out of nothing!)
I'm still an evolutionist (and really so should everyone be) but we have much more to discover and possibly (hopefully) change a few laws of physics allowing us to travel to the ends of our expanding universe. One of my best dreams is to actually go all the way to the edge of the universe, and you know what they say, if you can dream it, it may be possible.
Somehow I don't feel there is a single intelligent entity looking over mankind (and no other life form at that!). Although there may be 'energies' yet to be discovered (like how the electron discovery changed the world, especially in our gadgets day) Maybe we'll find it on another planet one day, maybe its within our universe already, all around us. Anyway that's as close as I'll go towards unfounded beliefs, and I noticed that this type of 'thinking' is not respected well in our rational natural world. Still, allowed to dream :)
Even if a race of future beings evolved to an intelligence beyond ours, there'd be a growing process that involved exploration and discovery along the way. I would think that during that process some of our artifacts would become subjects of their curiosity...and some could still be deadly, such as cobalt rods from power plants, weaponized uranium, or nuclear waste.
It also does seem like, as we grow smarter, we become more curious, making it hard to believe that a future being, no matter how brilliant, would become so nonchelant about even simple discovery.
Sidenote:
This hypothetical race could even be human if we self destruct; followed by millenia of primitive life, then regeneration.
Yes. In 5 billion years, everything we've done, and all of our remains will return to star dust. That leaves an awfully long time for the rise and fall of many life forms. That holds true even if the planet only actually remains habitable for 1 billion more years.
As to your last paragraph...for all we know, we very well may be able to reach interstellar travel capacity and progress well beyond our own solar system. While that sounds impossible, human flight seemed unreachable until the early 1900s. It is unlikely...knowing what we know now, but only time will tell.
Is it normal to wonder what future beings will think?
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Wow, its actually refreshing reading your comments, and knowing that you are way beyond the human myths that so many desperately hold onto.
You know that since humans evolved they are obviously the most intelligent (known) life that has existed on Earth. According to this logic the next 'species' may be even more intelligent or possibly evolved with a new sense that is beyond our understanding presently.
What I'm getting on about is, if you try to explain to a snail that eyes exist and the creatures that can see have an even more clearer understanding of the world, they'll just slowly slide off and never understand you! The NEXT intelligent lifeforms may be so far advanced that 'humans' may resemble plant life intelligence to us! So this 'evidence' would be so miniscule that they may even disregard the so called importance of humans life in our galaxy, except to say oh yes that thing existed once!
What impact have we truly made on the universe? Even Earth is NOT that effected. Give it a few billion years and the collision with our galaxy and another, Earth will just look like another dieing planet with our Sun.
Its sad, but working in our gardens has extremely little (actually pretty much zero) impact on anything of true existence in the entire universe. I mean 200K years just to say, that's a human? Lets see what happens when we move ahead another 5 Billion! I'd like to feel that we won't be extinct, but scientifically I feel its inevitable.
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Another sidenote...you mentioned galaxy collisions.
I hope that I can reincarnate in a couple billion years...just so I can look up and see the Andromeda galaxy fill the night sky. It's hard to imagine anything that awesome.
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Just revisiting this topic briefly.
Its true I've dreamt about looking up and seeing another galaxy within ours. Even more so, to see other planets up close like moon but actual real planets at similar (somewhat safe) distance.
It would seriously be a magical moment (possibly not the best use of descriptive words!).
Sadly the best we can hope for presently are meteor showers or comets passing by. But I think I'm with you and selfishly would like to see more of the universe in real life (not just pictures of distant cloud nebulae).
Your reincarnation theory (or hypothetical dream) I feel does have some minute substance. As you state from stardust to stardust, physically we don't just vanish. Our mind though may live on through our children (not sure, but that's the best hopeful that I can think of).
In the news they are presently questioning the big 'bang' part, and starting to theorize that it was just a crystallizing cooling effect that created cracks and the matter we see today. But that would mean that space actually has (or had) physical substance in its entirety to actually crystallize (like water into ice). It seems the 'bang' part of the big bang isn't perfectly natural to the universe (ie no real bangs in the last 13.7 billion years either out of nothing!)
I'm still an evolutionist (and really so should everyone be) but we have much more to discover and possibly (hopefully) change a few laws of physics allowing us to travel to the ends of our expanding universe. One of my best dreams is to actually go all the way to the edge of the universe, and you know what they say, if you can dream it, it may be possible.
Somehow I don't feel there is a single intelligent entity looking over mankind (and no other life form at that!). Although there may be 'energies' yet to be discovered (like how the electron discovery changed the world, especially in our gadgets day) Maybe we'll find it on another planet one day, maybe its within our universe already, all around us. Anyway that's as close as I'll go towards unfounded beliefs, and I noticed that this type of 'thinking' is not respected well in our rational natural world. Still, allowed to dream :)
Even if a race of future beings evolved to an intelligence beyond ours, there'd be a growing process that involved exploration and discovery along the way. I would think that during that process some of our artifacts would become subjects of their curiosity...and some could still be deadly, such as cobalt rods from power plants, weaponized uranium, or nuclear waste.
It also does seem like, as we grow smarter, we become more curious, making it hard to believe that a future being, no matter how brilliant, would become so nonchelant about even simple discovery.
Sidenote:
This hypothetical race could even be human if we self destruct; followed by millenia of primitive life, then regeneration.
Yes. In 5 billion years, everything we've done, and all of our remains will return to star dust. That leaves an awfully long time for the rise and fall of many life forms. That holds true even if the planet only actually remains habitable for 1 billion more years.
As to your last paragraph...for all we know, we very well may be able to reach interstellar travel capacity and progress well beyond our own solar system. While that sounds impossible, human flight seemed unreachable until the early 1900s. It is unlikely...knowing what we know now, but only time will tell.