I've had a few try the same with me and I've completely ignored them and they very rarely, if at all, do the same to me.
Engaging with these people is what they want. Don't give them it. The term don't feed the troll is true.
And then management can see that it's entirely one sided and ban them.
That said, if all they're doing is trolling by using the reply feature and not giving threats but douchey comments then maybe Management is in a hard position where he doesn't know if banning someone for offending another user is ethical, even if he himself does not approve of how the troll is offending.
That said, if this new block feature is true and you use it against the troll and an alt account pops up to bypass the blocking then I'm deffo in support that he should be banned.
So I'd suggest ignoring the troll, aswell as the others who disapprove of him, and if he persists, report him.
I'm not siding with anyone. Back and forth bickering like this isn't productive for anyone. We don't need vigilanteism here. It doesn't help. If you have a problem with a comment, downvote it and/or report it. Do not reply. All that does is further antagonize the person and cause more off-topic disruption on the site.
And I did that with this user for a year. A whole. Damn. Year. How many times do I have to say this? It did not stop. In fact, your "moderator" deactivated my account over it, while leaving the troll with free reign. Now, he has countless accounts and harrasses more people.
I have reported rapey comments he has made, where he has specified vile acts he wishes to commit against several female users here, and you have completely ignored them.
Don't you dare accuse people standing their ground of "vigilantism". That is ridiculous and insulting.
You said you were trying. Prove it. LISTEN to the feedback you are given. Quit blaming the people who have to put up with this. Why would anyone WANT to encourage that behaviour on their site? Much less reward it with protection.
Exactly. He PMd me yesterday to say he was trying.
Evidence to support him: 0
Evidence to support us: fuckin everywhere.
"You never send private feedback" he tells me. I have the PMs. I have screenshots of some of the form submissions. STOP. LYING. It's insulting and only serves to make shit worse. You have several users WHO DO NOT GET ALONG telling you the same damn thing...maybe you should believe them.
Feel free to report my comment so he'll read it...hah.
Oh dear, I see your emotions are raw. It may take a bit to calm down. Best to get out of the house. Call your Dad. You could meet for a couple of drinks. I hope you feel better soon. Best.
I am sorry but what you are suggesting does not work with this particular troll. I've only been on the site for 5 months and I have seen him (mcbean and all his other alts) target charlim, zorak and also myself as well as others. Ignoring him and also reporting him, which I do on a regular basis, does.....not......work. All he does is then use on of his other of his 50 alts to attack you again.
He has done it to me when I have not even engaged him in a conversation (go back and check and you will see) but has a shot at me to try to engage in some sort of futile battle of so called wits.
This is very frustrating for myself and the others....apparently with charlim it has been going on for over 4 years from what she said.
What the hell are we meant to do then? Just put up with it?
Screw you U d i..this user has been trolling and harrassing me and other users for at least a year now. I have reported this behavior over the years..and I am the one who always gets banned and the person doing the trolling and harrassment has no consequences. You are clueless about your user base it seems. So it seems that you must have a dog in these fights. So if you don't do anything to stop this behavior then people are going to take matters in their own hands. And btw..if you paid more attention to whats going on around here you would know that a lot of regular helpful users have decided to stop coming here altogether because of these problems...so I guess you are just going to ban me once again and let all the pedophole/incest/flame trolls do whatever they want. I will try your new block feature and see how it does..but you are a jerk for how you are dealing with this problem.
To show my dedication to civility in the IIN community, I McBean will do as you have requested and block Zorak. Please allow me to acknowledge my appreciation and gratitude for the endless hours you have spent designing, coding, and unit testing maintenance changes to the site.
Human relations is an arduous job, and I am keenly aware that 2% of the people cause 98% of the discord for everyone. This was the case at every corporation when I worked as chief data modeler and senior software architect. I wish you a peaceful resolution with these poorly socialized hooligans. But, I doubt they will ever be happy. Please be vigilant to your good standards of cyber citizenship and keep the faith.
What you fail to realize is downvoting does nothing when people have multiple accounts to quickly upvote and negate the downvote. Surely you can understand this.
Then just don't take the voting thing so seriously. Do you really need to be validated that much? Is having three or more upvotes-to an offensive comment THAT big a deal?
I had to deal with Thumbasses who werent trolls but had their own little "in-group" do the same and mock me in the replies between eachother, Charli, if I'm not mistaken, sometimes added to that. Sure I had a bitch about it but I matured and realized that I don't need to have a little number of 1-5 people saying I'm right to show I'm making a valid or invalid point.
You guys are your own worse enemies. You want to "burn" the troll and have the troll not able to respond in-kind. That's just not going to happen, they can be banned and just make another account.
The ONLY solution is to have some pride in your maturity and ignore it. Try to get the last word? You lose. Try to burn the troll, you lose. Make the troll bored, then you win.
But if you're expecting udi to somehow magically be the first person to find a way to make the site 100% fullproof against trolls then you're delusional, and if you expect him to manage that and then belittle and insult him for something NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE ACHIEVE IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTERNET, then people like myself are just going to lose sympathy.
Maybe there's more to this but I've already lost sympathy for certain folk being trolled because they expect Udi to do the impossible yet won't stick to the things that makes the troll leave them alone possible.
Is it normal to wonder how the new Block feature works?
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Or you could do the right thing and not side with the troll this time...
You have lost so many supporters of this site because of your pandering to trolls and refusal to listen to people who try to do the right thing.
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Just ignore him if he's being a douche.
I've had a few try the same with me and I've completely ignored them and they very rarely, if at all, do the same to me.
Engaging with these people is what they want. Don't give them it. The term don't feed the troll is true.
And then management can see that it's entirely one sided and ban them.
That said, if all they're doing is trolling by using the reply feature and not giving threats but douchey comments then maybe Management is in a hard position where he doesn't know if banning someone for offending another user is ethical, even if he himself does not approve of how the troll is offending.
That said, if this new block feature is true and you use it against the troll and an alt account pops up to bypass the blocking then I'm deffo in support that he should be banned.
So I'd suggest ignoring the troll, aswell as the others who disapprove of him, and if he persists, report him.
I'm not siding with anyone. Back and forth bickering like this isn't productive for anyone. We don't need vigilanteism here. It doesn't help. If you have a problem with a comment, downvote it and/or report it. Do not reply. All that does is further antagonize the person and cause more off-topic disruption on the site.
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Dude, I just reported the guy harrassing her and you reapproved the comment. So.. what the fuck
And I did that with this user for a year. A whole. Damn. Year. How many times do I have to say this? It did not stop. In fact, your "moderator" deactivated my account over it, while leaving the troll with free reign. Now, he has countless accounts and harrasses more people.
I have reported rapey comments he has made, where he has specified vile acts he wishes to commit against several female users here, and you have completely ignored them.
Don't you dare accuse people standing their ground of "vigilantism". That is ridiculous and insulting.
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I guess he could always send you a tshirt.....for your years of pain and suffering.....
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The troll comment below this had been removed by being reported twice, and Udi just reapproved of it. Wtf.
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Exactly. He PMd me yesterday to say he was trying.
Evidence to support him: 0
Evidence to support us: fuckin everywhere.
"You never send private feedback" he tells me. I have the PMs. I have screenshots of some of the form submissions. STOP. LYING. It's insulting and only serves to make shit worse. You have several users WHO DO NOT GET ALONG telling you the same damn thing...maybe you should believe them.
Feel free to report my comment so he'll read it...hah.
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And another alt.
I am sorry but what you are suggesting does not work with this particular troll. I've only been on the site for 5 months and I have seen him (mcbean and all his other alts) target charlim, zorak and also myself as well as others. Ignoring him and also reporting him, which I do on a regular basis, does.....not......work. All he does is then use on of his other of his 50 alts to attack you again.
He has done it to me when I have not even engaged him in a conversation (go back and check and you will see) but has a shot at me to try to engage in some sort of futile battle of so called wits.
This is very frustrating for myself and the others....apparently with charlim it has been going on for over 4 years from what she said.
What the hell are we meant to do then? Just put up with it?
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Screw you U d i..this user has been trolling and harrassing me and other users for at least a year now. I have reported this behavior over the years..and I am the one who always gets banned and the person doing the trolling and harrassment has no consequences. You are clueless about your user base it seems. So it seems that you must have a dog in these fights. So if you don't do anything to stop this behavior then people are going to take matters in their own hands. And btw..if you paid more attention to whats going on around here you would know that a lot of regular helpful users have decided to stop coming here altogether because of these problems...so I guess you are just going to ban me once again and let all the pedophole/incest/flame trolls do whatever they want. I will try your new block feature and see how it does..but you are a jerk for how you are dealing with this problem.
To show my dedication to civility in the IIN community, I McBean will do as you have requested and block Zorak. Please allow me to acknowledge my appreciation and gratitude for the endless hours you have spent designing, coding, and unit testing maintenance changes to the site.
Human relations is an arduous job, and I am keenly aware that 2% of the people cause 98% of the discord for everyone. This was the case at every corporation when I worked as chief data modeler and senior software architect. I wish you a peaceful resolution with these poorly socialized hooligans. But, I doubt they will ever be happy. Please be vigilant to your good standards of cyber citizenship and keep the faith.
Thanks again.
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Then just don't take the voting thing so seriously. Do you really need to be validated that much? Is having three or more upvotes-to an offensive comment THAT big a deal?
I had to deal with Thumbasses who werent trolls but had their own little "in-group" do the same and mock me in the replies between eachother, Charli, if I'm not mistaken, sometimes added to that. Sure I had a bitch about it but I matured and realized that I don't need to have a little number of 1-5 people saying I'm right to show I'm making a valid or invalid point.
You guys are your own worse enemies. You want to "burn" the troll and have the troll not able to respond in-kind. That's just not going to happen, they can be banned and just make another account.
The ONLY solution is to have some pride in your maturity and ignore it. Try to get the last word? You lose. Try to burn the troll, you lose. Make the troll bored, then you win.
But if you're expecting udi to somehow magically be the first person to find a way to make the site 100% fullproof against trolls then you're delusional, and if you expect him to manage that and then belittle and insult him for something NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE ACHIEVE IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTERNET, then people like myself are just going to lose sympathy.
Maybe there's more to this but I've already lost sympathy for certain folk being trolled because they expect Udi to do the impossible yet won't stick to the things that makes the troll leave them alone possible.