'Spirits' do not exist in this Universe, or in any other Universe. Everything, in this Universe, and in every other Universe, including space, has Physical properties. If something does not have any Physical properties, then it simply does not exist.
If you would like to refute this, then please describe any Physical property of this so-called 'spirit'.
also look at quantum physics. things can pop in and out of existence. where do they go? how can they come back? it's baffling. if something ceases to exist how the flying fuck does it come back from non-existence.
so yes things without physical properties do exist but we are unable to detect them.
They don't 'go' anywhere.
It is simply a fundamental property of the Universe.
These spontaneous patentations, in reality, do not occur in the Massenergy Realm. We sometimes do, however, observe their effects in the Massenergy Realm.
In reality, they occur only in the Quark Realm.
Synonym discussion: evident manifest patent distinct obvious apparent plain clear mean readily perceived or apprehended. evident implies presence of visible signs that lead one to a definite conclusion <an evident fondness for sweets>. manifest implies an external display so evident that little or no inference is required <manifest hostility>. patent applies to a cause, effect, or significant feature that is clear and unmistakable once attention has been directed to it <patent defects>. distinct implies such sharpness of outline or definition that no unusual effort to see or hear or comprehend is required <a distinct refusal>. obvious implies such ease in discovering that it often suggests conspicuousness or little need for perspicacity in the observer <the obvious solution>. apparent is very close to evident except that it may imply more conscious exercise of inference <for no apparent reason>. plain suggests lack of intricacy, complexity, or elaboration <her feelings about him are plain>. clear implies an absence of anything that confuses the mind or obscures the pattern <a clear explanation>.
Note: The newly coined term 'patentation', would probably be better to describe what it is that I'm trying to relate.
just because something isn't discovered yet doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I agree with you though. but as an agnostic I also can not ignore the fact that there may be some sort of force at hand here.
but I also believe that with amazing science said force will probably be able to be discovered one day.
All of these so-called 'forces', do not exist in reality. These are all inventions in some human's mind, and do not exist in nature.
The only real 'force', that does exist, is gravity. But gravity is not a 'force'. It is, quite simply, a curvature of space, caused by the presence of massenergy and quarkenergy in space.
i'm not mentioning any of the silly forces that people make up. all i'm saying is there probably are some forces, energies, which we have not discovered yet.
I believe if god truly does exist then it is probably possible to actually discover it.
You missed the point, entirely.
There are no 'real' forces, in the Massenergy Realm, or in the Quark Realm (meaning anywhere in this Universe, or in any other Universe). What we describe as 'forces', can be much more simply described as a simple curvature of space.
What we describe as 'energy', is, in reality, different quantum-relativistic forms of massenergy and quarkenergy, relative to 'normal' massenergy (massenergy forms which we experience in our everyday lives, including ourselves).
We have 'discovered' it. I am the first person to understand this. We were all incorrect, myself included.
I will use a loose analogy:
Imagine that you are billions of times smaller than a bacterium. You, and everything and everyone else you know, have spent your entire existence, near the centre of the surface of a piston, in an internal combustion engine. The engine has 'always' been running, but it is known that it is running slightly faster over long periods of time.
Everyone who lives there, perceives themselves to be 'standing still', although scientific study has proven otherwise. It appears to most everyone that the cylinder walls are moving reciprocally, relative to themselves, which is the commonly held (but mistaken belief).
We have done some exploration, such as drilling into the piston head, but this is less than one atom in depth. We speculate (correctly) that there must be a connecting rod and crankshaft, but most people dismiss this skeptically, pointing out that without lubrication, the system would seize, because of friction.
We have also explored a very small part of the intake and exhaust systems, but find it 'impossible' to explore further into these systems.
We do not perceive the cyclical nature of the four-stroke engine (intake, compression, ignition [power-stroke], and exhaust), as these are occurring far too quickly for our senses, and are 'normal' to us, but we do understand these principles.
What I have 'discovered', is a very small opening in the exhaust manifold. I have been able to exit the inside of the engine, and alight on a fender.
Now I can see how this entire engine system works. But more than that, I can also see that it is part of a vehicle, which is travelling down the road!
The actual nature of the Universe, is by far less complicated than a four-stroke internal combustion engine. If you can understand how such an engine works (even at a basic level), then you can understand how the Universe actually works!
IIN To want to ignore certain parts of religion but still adhere?
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Be nothing, be archaic.
'Spirits' do not exist in this Universe, or in any other Universe. Everything, in this Universe, and in every other Universe, including space, has Physical properties. If something does not have any Physical properties, then it simply does not exist.
If you would like to refute this, then please describe any Physical property of this so-called 'spirit'.
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also look at quantum physics. things can pop in and out of existence. where do they go? how can they come back? it's baffling. if something ceases to exist how the flying fuck does it come back from non-existence.
so yes things without physical properties do exist but we are unable to detect them.
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They don't 'go' anywhere.
It is simply a fundamental property of the Universe.
These spontaneous patentations, in reality, do not occur in the Massenergy Realm. We sometimes do, however, observe their effects in the Massenergy Realm.
In reality, they occur only in the Quark Realm.
Synonym discussion: evident manifest patent distinct obvious apparent plain clear mean readily perceived or apprehended. evident implies presence of visible signs that lead one to a definite conclusion <an evident fondness for sweets>. manifest implies an external display so evident that little or no inference is required <manifest hostility>. patent applies to a cause, effect, or significant feature that is clear and unmistakable once attention has been directed to it <patent defects>. distinct implies such sharpness of outline or definition that no unusual effort to see or hear or comprehend is required <a distinct refusal>. obvious implies such ease in discovering that it often suggests conspicuousness or little need for perspicacity in the observer <the obvious solution>. apparent is very close to evident except that it may imply more conscious exercise of inference <for no apparent reason>. plain suggests lack of intricacy, complexity, or elaboration <her feelings about him are plain>. clear implies an absence of anything that confuses the mind or obscures the pattern <a clear explanation>.
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very informational. thank you for the lesson. time for me to do some studying.
just because something isn't discovered yet doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I agree with you though. but as an agnostic I also can not ignore the fact that there may be some sort of force at hand here.
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Incorrect.
All of these so-called 'forces', do not exist in reality. These are all inventions in some human's mind, and do not exist in nature.
The only real 'force', that does exist, is gravity. But gravity is not a 'force'. It is, quite simply, a curvature of space, caused by the presence of massenergy and quarkenergy in space.
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i'm not mentioning any of the silly forces that people make up. all i'm saying is there probably are some forces, energies, which we have not discovered yet.
I believe if god truly does exist then it is probably possible to actually discover it.
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Incorrect.
You missed the point, entirely.
There are no 'real' forces, in the Massenergy Realm, or in the Quark Realm (meaning anywhere in this Universe, or in any other Universe). What we describe as 'forces', can be much more simply described as a simple curvature of space.
What we describe as 'energy', is, in reality, different quantum-relativistic forms of massenergy and quarkenergy, relative to 'normal' massenergy (massenergy forms which we experience in our everyday lives, including ourselves).
We have 'discovered' it. I am the first person to understand this. We were all incorrect, myself included.
I will use a loose analogy:
Imagine that you are billions of times smaller than a bacterium. You, and everything and everyone else you know, have spent your entire existence, near the centre of the surface of a piston, in an internal combustion engine. The engine has 'always' been running, but it is known that it is running slightly faster over long periods of time.
Everyone who lives there, perceives themselves to be 'standing still', although scientific study has proven otherwise. It appears to most everyone that the cylinder walls are moving reciprocally, relative to themselves, which is the commonly held (but mistaken belief).
We have done some exploration, such as drilling into the piston head, but this is less than one atom in depth. We speculate (correctly) that there must be a connecting rod and crankshaft, but most people dismiss this skeptically, pointing out that without lubrication, the system would seize, because of friction.
We have also explored a very small part of the intake and exhaust systems, but find it 'impossible' to explore further into these systems.
We do not perceive the cyclical nature of the four-stroke engine (intake, compression, ignition [power-stroke], and exhaust), as these are occurring far too quickly for our senses, and are 'normal' to us, but we do understand these principles.
What I have 'discovered', is a very small opening in the exhaust manifold. I have been able to exit the inside of the engine, and alight on a fender.
Now I can see how this entire engine system works. But more than that, I can also see that it is part of a vehicle, which is travelling down the road!
Which 'deity' are you speaking about?
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The actual nature of the Universe, is by far less complicated than a four-stroke internal combustion engine. If you can understand how such an engine works (even at a basic level), then you can understand how the Universe actually works!
Maybe for the benefit of all of us it would be best if you could go "suck on it"