The Bible says several things that simply are not true. Since the Bible claims to be the enerrant word of God, yet clearly isn't, we can come to the conclusion that it is made up.
Bats are mammals, not birds. Insects have six legs, not four. The earth is a sphere floating in space, it does not have corners and it is not flat and it is not supported by giant pillars. There is no evidence that a worldwide flood ever existed, evolution shows us that the Noah's ark story is bunk and so is the original creation story. And the Bible never says anything about Satan putting fossils everywhere. Finally, the Bible states that God is good and just. This is so, so, sooooo not true. He mass murders people, burns people forever for sins that shouldn't be sins (like homosexuality) shows no compassion or empathy whatsoever for humanity, demands you obey him like the tyrant he is or, again, he'll torture you forever.
Thus, based on these errors we can say it's not enerrant and if it's not enerrant then it's not the perfect word of God and if it's not the perfect word of God, do you know what that means?
Still not proof it's made up. Scream about how hypocritical and wrong the Bible is, I don't care. You're not dead, so you don't know the afterlife, if there is one at all.
The afterlife may be real, but the Bible still isn't what it claims to be, and that makes it fake.
I'm order for it to be real in the sense that everything in it is true, then it would have to be perfect as the Bible claims it's the work of a being who makes no mistakes and it's clearly not that.
Ok? That means it's not what it claims to be. We're not arguing about what it claims to be. We're arguing on if it's made up or not. You're mixing different things together. Until you give me proof all 40+ authors of the Bible were writing their imaginations down, gg.
How could I forget the tower of babel story? Lol. Remember how God worries that humans are making a tower to heaven, which is supposedly up in the clouds, so God gives humans a bunch of different languages so they couldn't build the tower? Heaven turned out to not be in the clouds. Oh and humans are already mentioned in that same book to have different languages. It's wrong, so it's fiction, so it's from somebody's imagination, which means the Bible is MADE UP.
Maybe I'll go over the rest of them later, but I feel that it's unnecessary. You can already plainly see that the vast majority of the books in the Bible are fiction.
"That means it's not what it claims to be. We're not arguing about what it claims to be. We're arguing on if it's made up or not."
It claims to be not made up, aka the word of an all-powerful being who wouldn't put things in it that aren't true. If it's not a good moral guide or an accurate historical account, then all it is is fiction. And since it's fiction, it's made up. You're just not connecting the dots.
"Until you give me proof all 40+ authors of the Bible were writing their imaginations down, gg."
Okay. Let's see how far I can go pointing out the flaws of each book that prove how fake it is until I get bored and decide its not worth doing every single one.
Genesis contains the creation story and the Noah's ark story, so it's not true. So somebody was clearly talking out of their ass here.
Exodus has the part where sorcerers turn sticks into living snakes and condones slavery. Oh and God kills a bunch of people and their kids. So somebody was probably trying to write a horror story or something, but it's definitely not historical in the least!
Leviticus has the science problems I mentioned in my original post, and voodoo (like God's way of curing leprosy with dead birds.)that actually works in the Bible but not in real life. Yet more made up stuff by some desert hooligan.
Numbers has a ton of deaths that are never mentioned in real history. Thousands of people, several cities, getting wiped out. But nodody ever seems to care according to historical records because there's no real-life evidence of this stuff. Oh and Moses is pretty evil in this one, which means God was wrong about him, but God can't be wrong so someone just wrote this stuff down without ever thinking about it. Just more made-up fictional BS.
Deuteronomy claims you must follow all the rules listed in it or God will have your wife raped and force you to eat your own children. Since there's so many rules in it that are hard to follow, yet nobody's ever been forced by God to eat their own children, it's safe to say this book is made up. Otherwise we'd be a constantly cannibalistic species with a low population if this author was telling the truth.
Joshua says that God cursed the gibeonites to be the slaves of the Jews forever. This never actually happens. Someone made it up. Enough said.
Judges has even more massacres that somehow never God recorded, also a ton of god-inspired evil happens in it yet again showing us that it's wrong, and thus isn't true. And if it's not true, it'd made up.
Okay, you've got me at the book of Ruth. It could very well be real. Nothing impossible happens in it, and it's consistent about its characters and the world they live in. That doesn't mean the other books aren't made up though.
Samuel has plenty of massacring that never happened, evil inspired by God. (proving God isn't perfect, which proves that the Bible isn't the inspired word of God, which proves it isn't what it claims to be, which proves its fiction, which proves its made up. If I don't point out this entire freaking list, you'll forget it's there and think I'm mixing different things together.)
So on and so forth, Samuel is made up.
Samuel 2 was made by the same author, so I'm not even gonna look into that. We already know he's a liar.
Kings 1 & 2 have still more undocumented massacres and injustices made by a perfect being. Oh and if you refuse to assist someone in suicide God will send a lion after you. This never happens, so we can be sure it's just made up.
I'm kings 2 I feel like I should mention that this guy named Isiah makes the sun move backwards by ten degrees. So impossible I think even you can see how this one's definitely fake.
Chronicles 1 & 2 are both so inconsistent with what the previous Bible stories say, that this means whoever wrote them was just filling in the parts they didn't know. That makes it made up.
Ezra makes the claim that your sperm is corrupted if you take a foreign wife. This isn't true, men with foreign wives have sperm that works just like everyone else's. So fake.
Nehemiah is boring but contradictory with Ezra. This means that whoever's the author used their imagination to fill on the parts they didn't know. Other than that, Nehemiah may just be true. Might be fake, might not be.
Ester has the bad moral stories and such that show its not what it claims to be, and that's a factual historical account inspired by God. It's not factual, it's not good, so it's fiction. Which means it's made up.
Job is made up for the same reasons as Ester.
Psalms isn't a historical account or a moral guide, so it can't really be made up or factual.
Proverbs: Beat your children and your slaves. Clearly made up by some sheep-herding asshole, not someone inspired by a perfect being.
Isiah says God will you kill your brother and eat your in arm. Oh and the people God kills will rot and burn... FOREVER! Remember that hell hasn't been created yet at this point, which means that whoever wrote this is saying that somewhere there are giant piles of burning, rotting bodies from the many thousands of people God killed. Not true, made up, blah blah blah moving on.
Jeremiah makes a lot of nasty worldwide prophecies of mass cannibalism and god-inspired genocide that never take place irl. Oh and it claims cockatrices exist, which they don't, so it's just another fantasy story that was made up.
Lamentations claims a lot of stuff, but it's not really specific and a lot of it is metaphors and stuff. So I'm gonna go with the idea that this one was never really meant to portray history and facts in the first place. There's a lot of god-induced evil still, of course. But I wouldn't say I know this one is fake.
You can see the course this is going, with most of the Bible books being made-up garbage and those that aren't were never intended to be historical with specific truths. The only ones I can't fact check are the ones with really vague facts, or are just about the personal lives of people like Ruth and the Song of Solomon.
All of your points were just "It's fake" and "there's no evidence" and "it's wrong." It's not about connecting the dots.
I'll ignore the ones you just say "it's fake," since you provide no proof they are. About the "no evidence" part then. No evidence of something doesn't mean it's fake. It means there's no evidence of something.
Next, about you saying it's morally wrong in places. Cool and awesome. As I've already stated, I don't care about that. That doesn't prove it's fake.
There was one particular thing that caught my eye.
If it's not a good moral guide or an accurate historical account, then all it is is fiction. And since it's fiction, it's made up. You're just not connecting the dots."
Learn what the word "fiction" means. Again, the Bible being immoral doesn't mean it's all fiction. The Bible being wrong in SOME facts doesn't mean it's all fiction. Besides, no evidence it happened doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Also, parts of the Bible are indeed tales. They're meant to teach a lesson. It's not just a history book.
"The Bible sometimes aims to give an historical chronicle of actual events that really occurred. At other times, it employs poetry, myth, or fiction, in order to convey truth according to one of these genres."
It includes false things purposefully, to teach. That doesn't mean the Bible is all fiction, and therefore made up.
I have a couple questions. Let's say I do a school project on World War II. I get a fact wrong and say that it ended in 1946 instead of 1945. Does that mean my whole project is fiction, and therefore made up?
At the end, I want to tell everyone how wrong the Nazis were. After all, it's part of my project. So I tell a story I made up about the Nazis to show their evil. It's not true, but it's something they would have done. It's meant to teach a lesson. But since I included fiction, is all my project fiction, and therefore made up?
If you answer these two obvious questions correctly, ask the same exact questions of the Bible.
Hint: The answers might be the exact same, and are just as obvious.
It's not about connecting the dots. It's about not squashing different things and putting them into one false statement.
I never said it wasn't. For all you know, I'm an atheist. You on the other hand straight up said it's made up, as if it's a common fact. Go ahead and use your science to prove it. Or just admit you're in the wrong and learn from it.
Not so, my unlearned friend. What I said was that science is testable. You can make up shit and test it. Random chance says you will be right a certain percentage of the time. For the bible to have credibility, it has to exceed that threshold of random chance. It may be that the bible was not made up. But since it fails to exceed these statistic thresholds, (chi square tests), it really has no credibility other than just ancient stories passed along to successive generations.
The Bible is mostly a book about morality. Morality isn't an illusion it's a concept. If you disagree with that type of morality is another matter. Fact is karma is simply cuase and affect and much of the Bible is thought to be simple fables by Christianity anyways. A better debate is "Do you believe god or heaven is real". You really can't argue that a concept is fake. A concept is simply an idea, if someone had an idea it exists. It's an existing idea.
True, but now you have shifted the discussion away from its initial focus, which is the bible. Christianity, Judiasm, etc are related but separate issues.
Thank you for seeing reason and agreeing with me. I was never arguing what is testable or reliable. I was only looking for proof that the bible is made up, since you said it was. Which makes it ironic calling me "unlearned" when you're agreeing with me.
You said it's made up in your first comment. Then you said it may not be made up in your other most recent comment. That's what I was arguing. You don't know for sure if it's made up or not. You agreed with me. That's all I wanted to hear.
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The Bible says several things that simply are not true. Since the Bible claims to be the enerrant word of God, yet clearly isn't, we can come to the conclusion that it is made up.
Bats are mammals, not birds. Insects have six legs, not four. The earth is a sphere floating in space, it does not have corners and it is not flat and it is not supported by giant pillars. There is no evidence that a worldwide flood ever existed, evolution shows us that the Noah's ark story is bunk and so is the original creation story. And the Bible never says anything about Satan putting fossils everywhere. Finally, the Bible states that God is good and just. This is so, so, sooooo not true. He mass murders people, burns people forever for sins that shouldn't be sins (like homosexuality) shows no compassion or empathy whatsoever for humanity, demands you obey him like the tyrant he is or, again, he'll torture you forever.
Thus, based on these errors we can say it's not enerrant and if it's not enerrant then it's not the perfect word of God and if it's not the perfect word of God, do you know what that means?
It's made up.
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It's inerrant.
Still not proof it's made up. Scream about how hypocritical and wrong the Bible is, I don't care. You're not dead, so you don't know the afterlife, if there is one at all.
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The afterlife may be real, but the Bible still isn't what it claims to be, and that makes it fake.
I'm order for it to be real in the sense that everything in it is true, then it would have to be perfect as the Bible claims it's the work of a being who makes no mistakes and it's clearly not that.
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Ok? That means it's not what it claims to be. We're not arguing about what it claims to be. We're arguing on if it's made up or not. You're mixing different things together. Until you give me proof all 40+ authors of the Bible were writing their imaginations down, gg.
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How could I forget the tower of babel story? Lol. Remember how God worries that humans are making a tower to heaven, which is supposedly up in the clouds, so God gives humans a bunch of different languages so they couldn't build the tower? Heaven turned out to not be in the clouds. Oh and humans are already mentioned in that same book to have different languages. It's wrong, so it's fiction, so it's from somebody's imagination, which means the Bible is MADE UP.
Maybe I'll go over the rest of them later, but I feel that it's unnecessary. You can already plainly see that the vast majority of the books in the Bible are fiction.
"That means it's not what it claims to be. We're not arguing about what it claims to be. We're arguing on if it's made up or not."
It claims to be not made up, aka the word of an all-powerful being who wouldn't put things in it that aren't true. If it's not a good moral guide or an accurate historical account, then all it is is fiction. And since it's fiction, it's made up. You're just not connecting the dots.
"Until you give me proof all 40+ authors of the Bible were writing their imaginations down, gg."
Okay. Let's see how far I can go pointing out the flaws of each book that prove how fake it is until I get bored and decide its not worth doing every single one.
Genesis contains the creation story and the Noah's ark story, so it's not true. So somebody was clearly talking out of their ass here.
Exodus has the part where sorcerers turn sticks into living snakes and condones slavery. Oh and God kills a bunch of people and their kids. So somebody was probably trying to write a horror story or something, but it's definitely not historical in the least!
Leviticus has the science problems I mentioned in my original post, and voodoo (like God's way of curing leprosy with dead birds.)that actually works in the Bible but not in real life. Yet more made up stuff by some desert hooligan.
Numbers has a ton of deaths that are never mentioned in real history. Thousands of people, several cities, getting wiped out. But nodody ever seems to care according to historical records because there's no real-life evidence of this stuff. Oh and Moses is pretty evil in this one, which means God was wrong about him, but God can't be wrong so someone just wrote this stuff down without ever thinking about it. Just more made-up fictional BS.
Deuteronomy claims you must follow all the rules listed in it or God will have your wife raped and force you to eat your own children. Since there's so many rules in it that are hard to follow, yet nobody's ever been forced by God to eat their own children, it's safe to say this book is made up. Otherwise we'd be a constantly cannibalistic species with a low population if this author was telling the truth.
Joshua says that God cursed the gibeonites to be the slaves of the Jews forever. This never actually happens. Someone made it up. Enough said.
Judges has even more massacres that somehow never God recorded, also a ton of god-inspired evil happens in it yet again showing us that it's wrong, and thus isn't true. And if it's not true, it'd made up.
Okay, you've got me at the book of Ruth. It could very well be real. Nothing impossible happens in it, and it's consistent about its characters and the world they live in. That doesn't mean the other books aren't made up though.
Samuel has plenty of massacring that never happened, evil inspired by God. (proving God isn't perfect, which proves that the Bible isn't the inspired word of God, which proves it isn't what it claims to be, which proves its fiction, which proves its made up. If I don't point out this entire freaking list, you'll forget it's there and think I'm mixing different things together.)
So on and so forth, Samuel is made up.
Samuel 2 was made by the same author, so I'm not even gonna look into that. We already know he's a liar.
Kings 1 & 2 have still more undocumented massacres and injustices made by a perfect being. Oh and if you refuse to assist someone in suicide God will send a lion after you. This never happens, so we can be sure it's just made up.
I'm kings 2 I feel like I should mention that this guy named Isiah makes the sun move backwards by ten degrees. So impossible I think even you can see how this one's definitely fake.
Chronicles 1 & 2 are both so inconsistent with what the previous Bible stories say, that this means whoever wrote them was just filling in the parts they didn't know. That makes it made up.
Ezra makes the claim that your sperm is corrupted if you take a foreign wife. This isn't true, men with foreign wives have sperm that works just like everyone else's. So fake.
Nehemiah is boring but contradictory with Ezra. This means that whoever's the author used their imagination to fill on the parts they didn't know. Other than that, Nehemiah may just be true. Might be fake, might not be.
Ester has the bad moral stories and such that show its not what it claims to be, and that's a factual historical account inspired by God. It's not factual, it's not good, so it's fiction. Which means it's made up.
Job is made up for the same reasons as Ester.
Psalms isn't a historical account or a moral guide, so it can't really be made up or factual.
Proverbs: Beat your children and your slaves. Clearly made up by some sheep-herding asshole, not someone inspired by a perfect being.
Isiah says God will you kill your brother and eat your in arm. Oh and the people God kills will rot and burn... FOREVER! Remember that hell hasn't been created yet at this point, which means that whoever wrote this is saying that somewhere there are giant piles of burning, rotting bodies from the many thousands of people God killed. Not true, made up, blah blah blah moving on.
Jeremiah makes a lot of nasty worldwide prophecies of mass cannibalism and god-inspired genocide that never take place irl. Oh and it claims cockatrices exist, which they don't, so it's just another fantasy story that was made up.
Lamentations claims a lot of stuff, but it's not really specific and a lot of it is metaphors and stuff. So I'm gonna go with the idea that this one was never really meant to portray history and facts in the first place. There's a lot of god-induced evil still, of course. But I wouldn't say I know this one is fake.
You can see the course this is going, with most of the Bible books being made-up garbage and those that aren't were never intended to be historical with specific truths. The only ones I can't fact check are the ones with really vague facts, or are just about the personal lives of people like Ruth and the Song of Solomon.
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All of your points were just "It's fake" and "there's no evidence" and "it's wrong." It's not about connecting the dots.
I'll ignore the ones you just say "it's fake," since you provide no proof they are. About the "no evidence" part then. No evidence of something doesn't mean it's fake. It means there's no evidence of something.
Next, about you saying it's morally wrong in places. Cool and awesome. As I've already stated, I don't care about that. That doesn't prove it's fake.
There was one particular thing that caught my eye.
If it's not a good moral guide or an accurate historical account, then all it is is fiction. And since it's fiction, it's made up. You're just not connecting the dots."
Learn what the word "fiction" means. Again, the Bible being immoral doesn't mean it's all fiction. The Bible being wrong in SOME facts doesn't mean it's all fiction. Besides, no evidence it happened doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Also, parts of the Bible are indeed tales. They're meant to teach a lesson. It's not just a history book.
https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/apologetics/are-the-stories-in-the-bible-true.html
"The Bible sometimes aims to give an historical chronicle of actual events that really occurred. At other times, it employs poetry, myth, or fiction, in order to convey truth according to one of these genres."
It includes false things purposefully, to teach. That doesn't mean the Bible is all fiction, and therefore made up.
I have a couple questions. Let's say I do a school project on World War II. I get a fact wrong and say that it ended in 1946 instead of 1945. Does that mean my whole project is fiction, and therefore made up?
At the end, I want to tell everyone how wrong the Nazis were. After all, it's part of my project. So I tell a story I made up about the Nazis to show their evil. It's not true, but it's something they would have done. It's meant to teach a lesson. But since I included fiction, is all my project fiction, and therefore made up?
If you answer these two obvious questions correctly, ask the same exact questions of the Bible.
Hint: The answers might be the exact same, and are just as obvious.
It's not about connecting the dots. It's about not squashing different things and putting them into one false statement.
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I never said it wasn't. For all you know, I'm an atheist. You on the other hand straight up said it's made up, as if it's a common fact. Go ahead and use your science to prove it. Or just admit you're in the wrong and learn from it.
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Not so, my unlearned friend. What I said was that science is testable. You can make up shit and test it. Random chance says you will be right a certain percentage of the time. For the bible to have credibility, it has to exceed that threshold of random chance. It may be that the bible was not made up. But since it fails to exceed these statistic thresholds, (chi square tests), it really has no credibility other than just ancient stories passed along to successive generations.
Charles Darwin straightened things out.
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The Bible is mostly a book about morality. Morality isn't an illusion it's a concept. If you disagree with that type of morality is another matter. Fact is karma is simply cuase and affect and much of the Bible is thought to be simple fables by Christianity anyways. A better debate is "Do you believe god or heaven is real". You really can't argue that a concept is fake. A concept is simply an idea, if someone had an idea it exists. It's an existing idea.
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True, but now you have shifted the discussion away from its initial focus, which is the bible. Christianity, Judiasm, etc are related but separate issues.
Thank you for seeing reason and agreeing with me. I was never arguing what is testable or reliable. I was only looking for proof that the bible is made up, since you said it was. Which makes it ironic calling me "unlearned" when you're agreeing with me.
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That's fine, but what exactly are we in agreement about?
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You said it's made up in your first comment. Then you said it may not be made up in your other most recent comment. That's what I was arguing. You don't know for sure if it's made up or not. You agreed with me. That's all I wanted to hear.
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