And your perceived easiness of the female side of things probably comes from the fact that you've never been female. Same can be said for me, since I've never been male. We're both biased.
But I have to say, putting the responsibility for birth control solely on women is a bad idea. If the risk of having to pay child support for a child you don't want bothers you so much, then why not take some responsibility yourself in preventing it? Really, though, they should be focusing on making more options for male forms of birth control.
As for what I said earlier - sure, it's easier for women to get sex, but if they don't want it that much, then why does it matter if it's easier? I was generalizing because I know there are many women with high sex drives, but was asserting that women generally don't feel that they 'need' to have sex as badly as men, so whether or not it's easy for them to obtain is kind of irrelevant.
I'm merely statingpublic knowledge that can be available to both males and females. Just because something is done to one sex and the other cannot experience it, does not mean they don't know of those experiences or options existing.
I never put the responsibility of birth control solely on women nor said it should be...At most I was implying women should be using them just as much if not more sure to the numerous options, not that men should not be, for example, wearing condomes...So I don't know where you got what you claimed I was saying from...
I personally don't find the "men should wear birth control if they don't want to be forced to pay for a child they didn't want" thing, which I assume you mean. Ofcourse men should use birth control aswell but sometimesthe condoms break, which is why I think there should be a safety net for men, like women, to not be at risk of paying for a child they didn't want. Ofcourse, in a way that does not conflict with a woman's right to abort.
I don't know if women want sex as much as men or not. Some articles claim they do, some claim otherwise. So can't speak too much on that. The point is it's still available for them if they want it very easily, if they have sex a lot or not. Where as for a man, even if he is looking for sex, it is generally harder for the average guy to get sex.
Lol. Sure, you might know about those things existing, but you probably don't know what it feels like, so your reactions are likely to be more flippant.
I'm saying the fact that wearing condoms or getting a vasectomy are pretty much the only birth control methods available for men is stupid. That's a societal thing, not anyone in particular's fault.
In general, though, most men seem to think women should take the responsibility for preventing pregnancy (complaining that condoms make sex less enjoyable, for example, so the woman should be on the pill). Or even STDs. I've heard a ton of young men complain that they have to get HPV shots now, too. As if that should only be a female thing.
To be honest with you, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the 'it's harder for the average guy to get sex,' thing. It's harder for the average guy because women are generally choosier about who they sleep with, BECAUSE of the disadvantages I've mentioned above. And not to mention - although this is completely subjective - there are a lot more attractive women out there than there are attractive men. If you were a woman, would you let just anybody come along and stick their genitals inside you? Doesn't sound attractive, does it?
I agree and disagree. As a female I wouldn't know how the experience would feel, and it differs for individuals, so just being a female does not mean their experience represents how other women felt during their experience.
Regardless, whether or not I do not know how the experience feels, I still know the option is available and compare what I myself would prefer if I was in that situation.
I don't know if birth control for men is a societal thing or merely a scientific thing. They have been trying to make the male pill, which I believe is becoming more likely to happen.
I can see their point. Condoms make the experience far less enjoyable. Which is why sometimes I think the peoplehaing sex should take turns sometimes on who takes or uses birth control.
Well, even if you don't have sympathy it still is an unfair, yet non changable privilege women have that men don't which does make it harder for men to even get sex. As for those disadvantages, some of those don't even have anything to do with them having sex with men and wouldn't apply when having sex with the average guy. Could you perhaps list those disadvantages again for me?
Well, I would personally disagree on the attractive women part, but either way, men will willingly have sex with people below their ranks in attractiveness. Are you implying men are typically more accepting of physical flaws and willing to break the cliche "code" of not sleeping with those less attractie that yourself? I personally believe that, but would you?
So your main arguments are that men have it worse when participating in sex because of potential child support payments, and because it's more difficult for them to get sex when they want it? And maybe that sex is less pleasurable for men if they have to wear a condom? Is that it?
The disadvantages I listed were that it can cause pain/soreness or even tearing, STD risk (which applies to both sexes, but let's take HPV for example, a primary cause of cervical cancer. It's more commonly passed from men to women), pregnancy, and higher risk of UTIs. And yes, these are all problems a woman could experience in sleeping with 'an average man.'
Here are a couple other factors I didn't mention but you probably already know about. Of course, there's a social stigma around women who have a lot of sex while men who have a lot of sex are usually congratulated. I know that's changing somewhat, but it's still true. Birth control methods, like pills, are no walk in the park either. They mess with your hormones, which can cause emotional sensitivity, weight gain, decreased libido, a higher risk of blood clots, and less gains at the gym (testosterone production is inhibited by the pill).
Honestly, to me it just doesn't seem like a great deal at all.
Men can't get sex as easy as women - Not in their control to change.
Men can be made to pay for a child they did not want - Not in their control.
Men can't use means of birth control that won't effect their pleasure without operation - not in their control.
Women can fall pregnant - Choice to abort.
Pain/soreness/tearing if the penis is larger than averager - Choice to not have sex with that person.
As for STD, well, STDs can effect everyone. Why we hae protection.
As for this can happen when having sex with an average man, sure, but not to the average woman.
The whole slut/stud thing. That isn't actually a double standard. The results of a man and a woman sleeping with multiple people is due to two completely different standards due to how the requirements for men and women differ. Like I said, women can get sex far easier than men, which means men have to work to gain frequent sex, be it charm, status, or they are wealthy. As a response, they are getting what most could not, therefor are congradulated. Women on the other hand merely have to ask for sex and they'll get it, therefor when a woman gets sex frequently, it is nothing special. One could say that this is because female sexuality is valued where as male sexuality is seen as vile, therefor when a man is able to gain female sex, he is praised because female sex is supposed to be seen as valuable, where as a woman that has sex with penises, because those darn penises are vile, she taints herself by having sex with them, the more she does it with other penises, the more she taints herself because penis bad, vagina good. Sort of mentality. That could also tie in to why lesbian sexual acts praised while gay sexual acts with men isn't.
As for the pill part. There are more methods of birth control for women than the pill. The female equivilent condom, for example.
Well, honestly, I would put up with it over having to put up with my whole life falling apart due to the lack of choice in life. Lol.
You're missing the point about STDs. STDs worldwide affect many more women than men, and HPV is actually quite the issue. I'm not saying they don't affect men, because they do. It's just something to keep in mind.
As for men being helpless to control that they can't get sex as easy - men can always force a woman into having sex with them. They never should, obviously, but it happens all the time, and it's easier for a man to do because the majority of men have more physical strength than the majority of women. And a fairly attractive man probably has less issues with getting sex, in general.
As for pregnant women having the choice to abort, sure, SOME women do. Millions of people have religious or moral objections to that kind of thing. Families have threatened to abandon their kids if they get an abortion. There have been efforts to ban it in many states. Abortion doctors have been murdered by extremists. Abortion clinics are routinely shut down, due to lack of funding or regional objections. It is not some cheap, easy, guilt-free escape from pregnancy, alright? Try to keep that in mind.
"Pain/soreness/tearing if the penis is larger than average - Choice to not have sex with that person."
You know that pain, tearing and soreness can occur with any size of penis, right? Not just larger than average. And you can't exactly tell a guy's penis size when he's clothed, so by the time you agree to sex and are back in the bedroom naked, what is a woman to do? Just suddenly back out? Not likely.
Your argument about "slut/stud" dynamics...all I have to say is, that's a pretty dated way of thinking, but I get what you're saying.
Birth control - of course there are more options than the pill. Implants and injections have roughly the same side effects as the pill, though. Female condoms are no more comfortable than male condoms, and have a higher failure rate than male ones. So in general not great options. They suffice, but they're not great.
I'm surprised at how easy you think it is to be a woman, really. Just because we can get sex easier - which again, why does it matter if a) women generally don't want/need sex as much as men and b) women are treated like crap if they do take advantage of available sex? - and can get men to pay child support by getting pregnant and keeping the child, doesn't mean we've got in made in the shade...I mean hell, the woman would have to raise that child for 18 years, and that's a ton of work. Her paycheck is going to take a hit for that, too, not just yours.
Not saying there aren't nasty women out there who would trap a man just to get his money - they definitely exist! But they are far from the majority.
IIN to think sex would be better as a man?
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And your perceived easiness of the female side of things probably comes from the fact that you've never been female. Same can be said for me, since I've never been male. We're both biased.
But I have to say, putting the responsibility for birth control solely on women is a bad idea. If the risk of having to pay child support for a child you don't want bothers you so much, then why not take some responsibility yourself in preventing it? Really, though, they should be focusing on making more options for male forms of birth control.
As for what I said earlier - sure, it's easier for women to get sex, but if they don't want it that much, then why does it matter if it's easier? I was generalizing because I know there are many women with high sex drives, but was asserting that women generally don't feel that they 'need' to have sex as badly as men, so whether or not it's easy for them to obtain is kind of irrelevant.
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I'm merely statingpublic knowledge that can be available to both males and females. Just because something is done to one sex and the other cannot experience it, does not mean they don't know of those experiences or options existing.
I never put the responsibility of birth control solely on women nor said it should be...At most I was implying women should be using them just as much if not more sure to the numerous options, not that men should not be, for example, wearing condomes...So I don't know where you got what you claimed I was saying from...
I personally don't find the "men should wear birth control if they don't want to be forced to pay for a child they didn't want" thing, which I assume you mean. Ofcourse men should use birth control aswell but sometimesthe condoms break, which is why I think there should be a safety net for men, like women, to not be at risk of paying for a child they didn't want. Ofcourse, in a way that does not conflict with a woman's right to abort.
I don't know if women want sex as much as men or not. Some articles claim they do, some claim otherwise. So can't speak too much on that. The point is it's still available for them if they want it very easily, if they have sex a lot or not. Where as for a man, even if he is looking for sex, it is generally harder for the average guy to get sex.
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Lol. Sure, you might know about those things existing, but you probably don't know what it feels like, so your reactions are likely to be more flippant.
I'm saying the fact that wearing condoms or getting a vasectomy are pretty much the only birth control methods available for men is stupid. That's a societal thing, not anyone in particular's fault.
In general, though, most men seem to think women should take the responsibility for preventing pregnancy (complaining that condoms make sex less enjoyable, for example, so the woman should be on the pill). Or even STDs. I've heard a ton of young men complain that they have to get HPV shots now, too. As if that should only be a female thing.
To be honest with you, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the 'it's harder for the average guy to get sex,' thing. It's harder for the average guy because women are generally choosier about who they sleep with, BECAUSE of the disadvantages I've mentioned above. And not to mention - although this is completely subjective - there are a lot more attractive women out there than there are attractive men. If you were a woman, would you let just anybody come along and stick their genitals inside you? Doesn't sound attractive, does it?
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I agree and disagree. As a female I wouldn't know how the experience would feel, and it differs for individuals, so just being a female does not mean their experience represents how other women felt during their experience.
Regardless, whether or not I do not know how the experience feels, I still know the option is available and compare what I myself would prefer if I was in that situation.
I don't know if birth control for men is a societal thing or merely a scientific thing. They have been trying to make the male pill, which I believe is becoming more likely to happen.
I can see their point. Condoms make the experience far less enjoyable. Which is why sometimes I think the peoplehaing sex should take turns sometimes on who takes or uses birth control.
Well, even if you don't have sympathy it still is an unfair, yet non changable privilege women have that men don't which does make it harder for men to even get sex. As for those disadvantages, some of those don't even have anything to do with them having sex with men and wouldn't apply when having sex with the average guy. Could you perhaps list those disadvantages again for me?
Well, I would personally disagree on the attractive women part, but either way, men will willingly have sex with people below their ranks in attractiveness. Are you implying men are typically more accepting of physical flaws and willing to break the cliche "code" of not sleeping with those less attractie that yourself? I personally believe that, but would you?
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So your main arguments are that men have it worse when participating in sex because of potential child support payments, and because it's more difficult for them to get sex when they want it? And maybe that sex is less pleasurable for men if they have to wear a condom? Is that it?
The disadvantages I listed were that it can cause pain/soreness or even tearing, STD risk (which applies to both sexes, but let's take HPV for example, a primary cause of cervical cancer. It's more commonly passed from men to women), pregnancy, and higher risk of UTIs. And yes, these are all problems a woman could experience in sleeping with 'an average man.'
Here are a couple other factors I didn't mention but you probably already know about. Of course, there's a social stigma around women who have a lot of sex while men who have a lot of sex are usually congratulated. I know that's changing somewhat, but it's still true. Birth control methods, like pills, are no walk in the park either. They mess with your hormones, which can cause emotional sensitivity, weight gain, decreased libido, a higher risk of blood clots, and less gains at the gym (testosterone production is inhibited by the pill).
Honestly, to me it just doesn't seem like a great deal at all.
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Let's look at it in terms of control.
Men can't get sex as easy as women - Not in their control to change.
Men can be made to pay for a child they did not want - Not in their control.
Men can't use means of birth control that won't effect their pleasure without operation - not in their control.
Women can fall pregnant - Choice to abort.
Pain/soreness/tearing if the penis is larger than averager - Choice to not have sex with that person.
As for STD, well, STDs can effect everyone. Why we hae protection.
As for this can happen when having sex with an average man, sure, but not to the average woman.
The whole slut/stud thing. That isn't actually a double standard. The results of a man and a woman sleeping with multiple people is due to two completely different standards due to how the requirements for men and women differ. Like I said, women can get sex far easier than men, which means men have to work to gain frequent sex, be it charm, status, or they are wealthy. As a response, they are getting what most could not, therefor are congradulated. Women on the other hand merely have to ask for sex and they'll get it, therefor when a woman gets sex frequently, it is nothing special. One could say that this is because female sexuality is valued where as male sexuality is seen as vile, therefor when a man is able to gain female sex, he is praised because female sex is supposed to be seen as valuable, where as a woman that has sex with penises, because those darn penises are vile, she taints herself by having sex with them, the more she does it with other penises, the more she taints herself because penis bad, vagina good. Sort of mentality. That could also tie in to why lesbian sexual acts praised while gay sexual acts with men isn't.
As for the pill part. There are more methods of birth control for women than the pill. The female equivilent condom, for example.
Well, honestly, I would put up with it over having to put up with my whole life falling apart due to the lack of choice in life. Lol.
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You're missing the point about STDs. STDs worldwide affect many more women than men, and HPV is actually quite the issue. I'm not saying they don't affect men, because they do. It's just something to keep in mind.
As for men being helpless to control that they can't get sex as easy - men can always force a woman into having sex with them. They never should, obviously, but it happens all the time, and it's easier for a man to do because the majority of men have more physical strength than the majority of women. And a fairly attractive man probably has less issues with getting sex, in general.
As for pregnant women having the choice to abort, sure, SOME women do. Millions of people have religious or moral objections to that kind of thing. Families have threatened to abandon their kids if they get an abortion. There have been efforts to ban it in many states. Abortion doctors have been murdered by extremists. Abortion clinics are routinely shut down, due to lack of funding or regional objections. It is not some cheap, easy, guilt-free escape from pregnancy, alright? Try to keep that in mind.
"Pain/soreness/tearing if the penis is larger than average - Choice to not have sex with that person."
You know that pain, tearing and soreness can occur with any size of penis, right? Not just larger than average. And you can't exactly tell a guy's penis size when he's clothed, so by the time you agree to sex and are back in the bedroom naked, what is a woman to do? Just suddenly back out? Not likely.
Your argument about "slut/stud" dynamics...all I have to say is, that's a pretty dated way of thinking, but I get what you're saying.
Birth control - of course there are more options than the pill. Implants and injections have roughly the same side effects as the pill, though. Female condoms are no more comfortable than male condoms, and have a higher failure rate than male ones. So in general not great options. They suffice, but they're not great.
I'm surprised at how easy you think it is to be a woman, really. Just because we can get sex easier - which again, why does it matter if a) women generally don't want/need sex as much as men and b) women are treated like crap if they do take advantage of available sex? - and can get men to pay child support by getting pregnant and keeping the child, doesn't mean we've got in made in the shade...I mean hell, the woman would have to raise that child for 18 years, and that's a ton of work. Her paycheck is going to take a hit for that, too, not just yours.
Not saying there aren't nasty women out there who would trap a man just to get his money - they definitely exist! But they are far from the majority.