I understand the child support argument, but 'just abort?' Any idea how painful abortions are? And they're not free, usually. You say it like an abortion is a walk in the park lol.
I won't argue that guys don't have their own difficulties to deal with in sex, but physically, at least, it seems 100 times easier.
Sure it's easier for women to get sex in most cases, but there are more women who feel they don't really need sex than men I would guess. That's a generalization, of course, but you get what I mean.
I'm primarily thinking about the act of sex itself, and who has the advantage there.
Well, you could abort, adopt, or use the many forms of birth control.
I'll never be in the position to have an abortion, not being female and all, however I would take on the pain of an abortion over being forced to pay a life crushing amount of money every month for eighteen years, which prevents me from creating a family when I am ready due to not being able to financially support that family, or even sustain a healthy living standard, and risk becoming suicidal over it any day. Lol.
Physically, meh, yes and no. A woman's first time can be painful and so can her experience with a man with a penis the width and/or size she has not experienced yet, but then again those scenarios aren't the norm. So I'll give you that one given the "possibility" of it being painful at some points.
I'm not sure I do get what you mean. Could you elaborate on that, please? :)
Well, guys actually very rarely get orgasms if you're talking in terms of pleasure. Most people aren't even aware how to give men the biggest orgasms they can get, nor do most men know themselves. People tend to confuse ejaculation with orgasms. If that's what you mean?
Yeah but in 99% of healthy normal males they both happen together the majority of the time. It's evolution at work. Male orgasm triggers the refractory period in which he becomes limp and desire to go on diminishes so as to leave the semen in place to up the chance of conception. What the fuck are you talking about???
Well saying males rarely achieve orgasm AT ALL vs saying there's potentially more intense orgasms to be had is not the same thing, and further trying to claim male orgasm is harder to achieve than female orgasm during sex is just stupid.
And your perceived easiness of the female side of things probably comes from the fact that you've never been female. Same can be said for me, since I've never been male. We're both biased.
But I have to say, putting the responsibility for birth control solely on women is a bad idea. If the risk of having to pay child support for a child you don't want bothers you so much, then why not take some responsibility yourself in preventing it? Really, though, they should be focusing on making more options for male forms of birth control.
As for what I said earlier - sure, it's easier for women to get sex, but if they don't want it that much, then why does it matter if it's easier? I was generalizing because I know there are many women with high sex drives, but was asserting that women generally don't feel that they 'need' to have sex as badly as men, so whether or not it's easy for them to obtain is kind of irrelevant.
I'm merely statingpublic knowledge that can be available to both males and females. Just because something is done to one sex and the other cannot experience it, does not mean they don't know of those experiences or options existing.
I never put the responsibility of birth control solely on women nor said it should be...At most I was implying women should be using them just as much if not more sure to the numerous options, not that men should not be, for example, wearing condomes...So I don't know where you got what you claimed I was saying from...
I personally don't find the "men should wear birth control if they don't want to be forced to pay for a child they didn't want" thing, which I assume you mean. Ofcourse men should use birth control aswell but sometimesthe condoms break, which is why I think there should be a safety net for men, like women, to not be at risk of paying for a child they didn't want. Ofcourse, in a way that does not conflict with a woman's right to abort.
I don't know if women want sex as much as men or not. Some articles claim they do, some claim otherwise. So can't speak too much on that. The point is it's still available for them if they want it very easily, if they have sex a lot or not. Where as for a man, even if he is looking for sex, it is generally harder for the average guy to get sex.
Lol. Sure, you might know about those things existing, but you probably don't know what it feels like, so your reactions are likely to be more flippant.
I'm saying the fact that wearing condoms or getting a vasectomy are pretty much the only birth control methods available for men is stupid. That's a societal thing, not anyone in particular's fault.
In general, though, most men seem to think women should take the responsibility for preventing pregnancy (complaining that condoms make sex less enjoyable, for example, so the woman should be on the pill). Or even STDs. I've heard a ton of young men complain that they have to get HPV shots now, too. As if that should only be a female thing.
To be honest with you, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the 'it's harder for the average guy to get sex,' thing. It's harder for the average guy because women are generally choosier about who they sleep with, BECAUSE of the disadvantages I've mentioned above. And not to mention - although this is completely subjective - there are a lot more attractive women out there than there are attractive men. If you were a woman, would you let just anybody come along and stick their genitals inside you? Doesn't sound attractive, does it?
I agree and disagree. As a female I wouldn't know how the experience would feel, and it differs for individuals, so just being a female does not mean their experience represents how other women felt during their experience.
Regardless, whether or not I do not know how the experience feels, I still know the option is available and compare what I myself would prefer if I was in that situation.
I don't know if birth control for men is a societal thing or merely a scientific thing. They have been trying to make the male pill, which I believe is becoming more likely to happen.
I can see their point. Condoms make the experience far less enjoyable. Which is why sometimes I think the peoplehaing sex should take turns sometimes on who takes or uses birth control.
Well, even if you don't have sympathy it still is an unfair, yet non changable privilege women have that men don't which does make it harder for men to even get sex. As for those disadvantages, some of those don't even have anything to do with them having sex with men and wouldn't apply when having sex with the average guy. Could you perhaps list those disadvantages again for me?
Well, I would personally disagree on the attractive women part, but either way, men will willingly have sex with people below their ranks in attractiveness. Are you implying men are typically more accepting of physical flaws and willing to break the cliche "code" of not sleeping with those less attractie that yourself? I personally believe that, but would you?
So your main arguments are that men have it worse when participating in sex because of potential child support payments, and because it's more difficult for them to get sex when they want it? And maybe that sex is less pleasurable for men if they have to wear a condom? Is that it?
The disadvantages I listed were that it can cause pain/soreness or even tearing, STD risk (which applies to both sexes, but let's take HPV for example, a primary cause of cervical cancer. It's more commonly passed from men to women), pregnancy, and higher risk of UTIs. And yes, these are all problems a woman could experience in sleeping with 'an average man.'
Here are a couple other factors I didn't mention but you probably already know about. Of course, there's a social stigma around women who have a lot of sex while men who have a lot of sex are usually congratulated. I know that's changing somewhat, but it's still true. Birth control methods, like pills, are no walk in the park either. They mess with your hormones, which can cause emotional sensitivity, weight gain, decreased libido, a higher risk of blood clots, and less gains at the gym (testosterone production is inhibited by the pill).
Honestly, to me it just doesn't seem like a great deal at all.
IIN to think sex would be better as a man?
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I understand the child support argument, but 'just abort?' Any idea how painful abortions are? And they're not free, usually. You say it like an abortion is a walk in the park lol.
I won't argue that guys don't have their own difficulties to deal with in sex, but physically, at least, it seems 100 times easier.
Sure it's easier for women to get sex in most cases, but there are more women who feel they don't really need sex than men I would guess. That's a generalization, of course, but you get what I mean.
I'm primarily thinking about the act of sex itself, and who has the advantage there.
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Well, you could abort, adopt, or use the many forms of birth control.
I'll never be in the position to have an abortion, not being female and all, however I would take on the pain of an abortion over being forced to pay a life crushing amount of money every month for eighteen years, which prevents me from creating a family when I am ready due to not being able to financially support that family, or even sustain a healthy living standard, and risk becoming suicidal over it any day. Lol.
Physically, meh, yes and no. A woman's first time can be painful and so can her experience with a man with a penis the width and/or size she has not experienced yet, but then again those scenarios aren't the norm. So I'll give you that one given the "possibility" of it being painful at some points.
I'm not sure I do get what you mean. Could you elaborate on that, please? :)
Well, guys actually very rarely get orgasms if you're talking in terms of pleasure. Most people aren't even aware how to give men the biggest orgasms they can get, nor do most men know themselves. People tend to confuse ejaculation with orgasms. If that's what you mean?
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"guys actually very rarely get orgasms"
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You know there is a difference between ejaculation and orgasm, right?
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Yeah but in 99% of healthy normal males they both happen together the majority of the time. It's evolution at work. Male orgasm triggers the refractory period in which he becomes limp and desire to go on diminishes so as to leave the semen in place to up the chance of conception. What the fuck are you talking about???
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Well, basically...I'm talking about the male G-spot...
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Well saying males rarely achieve orgasm AT ALL vs saying there's potentially more intense orgasms to be had is not the same thing, and further trying to claim male orgasm is harder to achieve than female orgasm during sex is just stupid.
And your perceived easiness of the female side of things probably comes from the fact that you've never been female. Same can be said for me, since I've never been male. We're both biased.
But I have to say, putting the responsibility for birth control solely on women is a bad idea. If the risk of having to pay child support for a child you don't want bothers you so much, then why not take some responsibility yourself in preventing it? Really, though, they should be focusing on making more options for male forms of birth control.
As for what I said earlier - sure, it's easier for women to get sex, but if they don't want it that much, then why does it matter if it's easier? I was generalizing because I know there are many women with high sex drives, but was asserting that women generally don't feel that they 'need' to have sex as badly as men, so whether or not it's easy for them to obtain is kind of irrelevant.
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I'm merely statingpublic knowledge that can be available to both males and females. Just because something is done to one sex and the other cannot experience it, does not mean they don't know of those experiences or options existing.
I never put the responsibility of birth control solely on women nor said it should be...At most I was implying women should be using them just as much if not more sure to the numerous options, not that men should not be, for example, wearing condomes...So I don't know where you got what you claimed I was saying from...
I personally don't find the "men should wear birth control if they don't want to be forced to pay for a child they didn't want" thing, which I assume you mean. Ofcourse men should use birth control aswell but sometimesthe condoms break, which is why I think there should be a safety net for men, like women, to not be at risk of paying for a child they didn't want. Ofcourse, in a way that does not conflict with a woman's right to abort.
I don't know if women want sex as much as men or not. Some articles claim they do, some claim otherwise. So can't speak too much on that. The point is it's still available for them if they want it very easily, if they have sex a lot or not. Where as for a man, even if he is looking for sex, it is generally harder for the average guy to get sex.
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Lol. Sure, you might know about those things existing, but you probably don't know what it feels like, so your reactions are likely to be more flippant.
I'm saying the fact that wearing condoms or getting a vasectomy are pretty much the only birth control methods available for men is stupid. That's a societal thing, not anyone in particular's fault.
In general, though, most men seem to think women should take the responsibility for preventing pregnancy (complaining that condoms make sex less enjoyable, for example, so the woman should be on the pill). Or even STDs. I've heard a ton of young men complain that they have to get HPV shots now, too. As if that should only be a female thing.
To be honest with you, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the 'it's harder for the average guy to get sex,' thing. It's harder for the average guy because women are generally choosier about who they sleep with, BECAUSE of the disadvantages I've mentioned above. And not to mention - although this is completely subjective - there are a lot more attractive women out there than there are attractive men. If you were a woman, would you let just anybody come along and stick their genitals inside you? Doesn't sound attractive, does it?
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I agree and disagree. As a female I wouldn't know how the experience would feel, and it differs for individuals, so just being a female does not mean their experience represents how other women felt during their experience.
Regardless, whether or not I do not know how the experience feels, I still know the option is available and compare what I myself would prefer if I was in that situation.
I don't know if birth control for men is a societal thing or merely a scientific thing. They have been trying to make the male pill, which I believe is becoming more likely to happen.
I can see their point. Condoms make the experience far less enjoyable. Which is why sometimes I think the peoplehaing sex should take turns sometimes on who takes or uses birth control.
Well, even if you don't have sympathy it still is an unfair, yet non changable privilege women have that men don't which does make it harder for men to even get sex. As for those disadvantages, some of those don't even have anything to do with them having sex with men and wouldn't apply when having sex with the average guy. Could you perhaps list those disadvantages again for me?
Well, I would personally disagree on the attractive women part, but either way, men will willingly have sex with people below their ranks in attractiveness. Are you implying men are typically more accepting of physical flaws and willing to break the cliche "code" of not sleeping with those less attractie that yourself? I personally believe that, but would you?
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So your main arguments are that men have it worse when participating in sex because of potential child support payments, and because it's more difficult for them to get sex when they want it? And maybe that sex is less pleasurable for men if they have to wear a condom? Is that it?
The disadvantages I listed were that it can cause pain/soreness or even tearing, STD risk (which applies to both sexes, but let's take HPV for example, a primary cause of cervical cancer. It's more commonly passed from men to women), pregnancy, and higher risk of UTIs. And yes, these are all problems a woman could experience in sleeping with 'an average man.'
Here are a couple other factors I didn't mention but you probably already know about. Of course, there's a social stigma around women who have a lot of sex while men who have a lot of sex are usually congratulated. I know that's changing somewhat, but it's still true. Birth control methods, like pills, are no walk in the park either. They mess with your hormones, which can cause emotional sensitivity, weight gain, decreased libido, a higher risk of blood clots, and less gains at the gym (testosterone production is inhibited by the pill).
Honestly, to me it just doesn't seem like a great deal at all.