A) True but it is much harder, it goes back to the idea of technically possible, but not feasible.
B)That is being hopeful, but reality is not always hopeful. And to say the quakitu of life is generally improving, is also an opinion. Some people would beg to differ. And with at least some evidence to the contrary, it is not outlandish to disagree. Although you may agree, I would not.
A) What makes you think it's not feasible? It's certainly happened before. And different types of societal reformation often go hand-in-hand.
B) "To say the quality of life is improving is an opinion." Well... no, not really. Decreasing rates of infant mortality, longer average life spans, increasing literacy levels, decreasing rates of violence, and the spread of new technology are all arguably objective, measurable means of determining an increase in quality of life. You could argue that's not objective, but I could also argue that *nothing* is.
A: what makes me convinced it will never be fully solved, is the fact that there is some desire in human nature that causes people to commit such things. So for example, if we take rape. Laws make it illegal with strict punishment and women try to be careful what situations they get themselves into. So everything that can realistically be done to prevent it, has been done, but it still happens because some guys will always want sex enough to resort to that. The desire fueling the crime will never go away.
B) Hence the phrase "some evidence" to the contrary, there is some both ways. But some of the things you listed don't apply very well to quality of life. Infant mortality and life span are both indirect indicators. We use them because quality of life is a difficult thing to directly measure. But just because people live longer of less die as infants, doesn't mean people are enjoying their life more overall. Wity technological improvements in medicine and treatment, I would expect these to go up. But that does not nessecarily mean life quality is higher while they are alive, just that more people get more chance to be alive. But in terms of literacy and violence, and I'm sure their are others, you point is valid. It is no doubt that there is some evidence to suggest quality of life is on its way up. But some evidence contradicts that notion, such as depression, anxiety disorders, suicide and obesity which I personally know makes people's lives miserable and is on the rise in america.
Please keep in mind that I'm sure if we each went digging, we could each find more indirect evidence to support our side, but It can never be definitively measured because quality of life is too subjective.
A) First of all, you can solve a problem without completely eradicating it in all situations for eternity. There will always be exceptions to the rule. That doesn't mean in any way that we're at a plateau where nothing can be improved.
Also, not to get all preachy on you, but men can be and very often are victims of rape and sexual assault, not considering nb people for now. Male rape victims rarely receive support and sympathy the way a female victim would, especially if their aggressor is female - despite the fact that men make up a substantial portion of rape victims and the statistic is quite possibly under-reported. It's a harmful double standard that's been perpetuated too long.
B) There is overwhelming evidence on the side of "quality of life is increasing." On the other hand, there's always the argument that individual biological happiness, on average, mostly stays the same. Which is probably true. But I think we were deviating from our original point here, which is that "the same problems will remain about as problematic" is not true.
Is it normal to think no major problem in this world can be fixed?
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A) True but it is much harder, it goes back to the idea of technically possible, but not feasible.
B)That is being hopeful, but reality is not always hopeful. And to say the quakitu of life is generally improving, is also an opinion. Some people would beg to differ. And with at least some evidence to the contrary, it is not outlandish to disagree. Although you may agree, I would not.
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A) What makes you think it's not feasible? It's certainly happened before. And different types of societal reformation often go hand-in-hand.
B) "To say the quality of life is improving is an opinion." Well... no, not really. Decreasing rates of infant mortality, longer average life spans, increasing literacy levels, decreasing rates of violence, and the spread of new technology are all arguably objective, measurable means of determining an increase in quality of life. You could argue that's not objective, but I could also argue that *nothing* is.
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A: what makes me convinced it will never be fully solved, is the fact that there is some desire in human nature that causes people to commit such things. So for example, if we take rape. Laws make it illegal with strict punishment and women try to be careful what situations they get themselves into. So everything that can realistically be done to prevent it, has been done, but it still happens because some guys will always want sex enough to resort to that. The desire fueling the crime will never go away.
B) Hence the phrase "some evidence" to the contrary, there is some both ways. But some of the things you listed don't apply very well to quality of life. Infant mortality and life span are both indirect indicators. We use them because quality of life is a difficult thing to directly measure. But just because people live longer of less die as infants, doesn't mean people are enjoying their life more overall. Wity technological improvements in medicine and treatment, I would expect these to go up. But that does not nessecarily mean life quality is higher while they are alive, just that more people get more chance to be alive. But in terms of literacy and violence, and I'm sure their are others, you point is valid. It is no doubt that there is some evidence to suggest quality of life is on its way up. But some evidence contradicts that notion, such as depression, anxiety disorders, suicide and obesity which I personally know makes people's lives miserable and is on the rise in america.
Please keep in mind that I'm sure if we each went digging, we could each find more indirect evidence to support our side, but It can never be definitively measured because quality of life is too subjective.
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A) First of all, you can solve a problem without completely eradicating it in all situations for eternity. There will always be exceptions to the rule. That doesn't mean in any way that we're at a plateau where nothing can be improved.
Also, not to get all preachy on you, but men can be and very often are victims of rape and sexual assault, not considering nb people for now. Male rape victims rarely receive support and sympathy the way a female victim would, especially if their aggressor is female - despite the fact that men make up a substantial portion of rape victims and the statistic is quite possibly under-reported. It's a harmful double standard that's been perpetuated too long.
B) There is overwhelming evidence on the side of "quality of life is increasing." On the other hand, there's always the argument that individual biological happiness, on average, mostly stays the same. Which is probably true. But I think we were deviating from our original point here, which is that "the same problems will remain about as problematic" is not true.
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We are indeed getting off topic! But please don't state your stance as a fact. It is a prediction about the future for god sake!