I know, it is just that you can't really disprove me either. I wasn't searching for an objective debate of facts, but rather an exchange of opinions on the outlook of the problems in our world. I do still really do appreciate the time you tool to respond to this post!
I suppose it's impossible to "disprove" *any* claim about the future, if you mean it that way. But all we have to predict the future is trends and patterns we've observed in the past.
What's the point in holding any belief, if it's not supported by some sort of evidence or reasoning, and doesn't benefit the world? I think I'm missing something here.
Its not really about the future, it is that right now we are as far as we will get. But that does require that in the future we won't progress much, but that isn't the main point. Also, if you want to talk about beliefs without evidence, lets talk about religion shall we? Are you religious in any way, or are you athiest like myself?
I am an atheist, and what's more, I'm a nihilist. More of an absurdist, maybe, but I suppose it doesn't matter.
I think religious beliefs are kind of stupid - but at least there's some kind of reason behind them: a need to find spiritual comfort in a sometimes harsh, material world. It's unsupported, maybe, but it has tangible benefits. Sometimes.
Well I would not say thay religions benefit anyone. Yoi could argue they do, but it is kind of a placebo because it isn't actually true. It seems that religious poeple's benegit is that they 'know' that when they die the will be in a better place. Their actual life itself is usually worse, but they feel better about death.
But placebos *do* benefit people. Also, religion - while maybe not necessary anymore - have been the binding force of all sorts of societies since the beginning of human history. It's caused a whole host of problems, but one could argue that the cooperation and mutual trust required for a complex, functioning society needed religion - before the rise of various secular ideologies that took its place.
Yes, a different but more interesting argument. Your optimism seems warranted to me, but I think you are underestimating the intractability of global warming. A major volcanic eruption can cool things off for a bit, but eventually too many ppm of CO₂ heats things up again. Fixing carbon permanently is a difficult problem with which nobody has made any progress.
Is it normal to think no major problem in this world can be fixed?
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I suppose it's impossible to "disprove" *any* claim about the future, if you mean it that way. But all we have to predict the future is trends and patterns we've observed in the past.
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Its not really about the future, it is that right now we are as far as we will get. But that does require that in the future we won't progress much, but that isn't the main point. Also, if you want to talk about beliefs without evidence, lets talk about religion shall we? Are you religious in any way, or are you athiest like myself?
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I am an atheist, and what's more, I'm a nihilist. More of an absurdist, maybe, but I suppose it doesn't matter.
I think religious beliefs are kind of stupid - but at least there's some kind of reason behind them: a need to find spiritual comfort in a sometimes harsh, material world. It's unsupported, maybe, but it has tangible benefits. Sometimes.
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Well I would not say thay religions benefit anyone. Yoi could argue they do, but it is kind of a placebo because it isn't actually true. It seems that religious poeple's benegit is that they 'know' that when they die the will be in a better place. Their actual life itself is usually worse, but they feel better about death.
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But placebos *do* benefit people. Also, religion - while maybe not necessary anymore - have been the binding force of all sorts of societies since the beginning of human history. It's caused a whole host of problems, but one could argue that the cooperation and mutual trust required for a complex, functioning society needed religion - before the rise of various secular ideologies that took its place.
In any case, this is a different argument.
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Yes, a different but more interesting argument. Your optimism seems warranted to me, but I think you are underestimating the intractability of global warming. A major volcanic eruption can cool things off for a bit, but eventually too many ppm of CO₂ heats things up again. Fixing carbon permanently is a difficult problem with which nobody has made any progress.