Skinny girls that are "Healthy" skinny are still seen as a good thing, although I think women look better with curvs.
I don't get where women think men are preasuring them to be skinny. That's not what men do. Maybe they try to encourage them to not be fat, but they don't preasure them to be skinny, despite what a lot of women like to think.
It's not so much that men are specifically pressuring women to be skinny (there are individual men who do this, but it's not typical, I don't think). It's that in our society, women are pressured to be skinny. Regardless of where exactly that pressure is coming from, it's important to address it. It's a feminist issue in that it disproportionately affects women. Men can have body image issues, too, but women bear the brunt of this stuff right now.
Well, when men don't have to have the preasure of running in to defend women when they see them in danger, then I'll see their appearance issue as important.
Are you seriously saying that we can't address feminist issues until all men's gender issues have been solved?
With an attitude like that, nothing will ever get fixed. Stop playing oppression olympics. This is not a contest, and it's not like we can't deal with both of those issues at the same time. Being concerned about how gender issues hurt men doesn't mean that you can't care about how they hurt women.
Well aren't feminists and women that don't class themselves do the exact same thing, just not bluntly admitting it?
No, I am saying that when we work towards helping both gender's problems out equally.
I am stating that until the male gender receives as much help as the female gender does, and have their problems noticed just as much, then I will put my attention towards women's problems, not before.
The female gender have far more people worrying for their rights and "equality" than men do, so forgive me if I'm trying to support and make people notice that there are a lot of inequalities that in some cases, are worse than women inequalities.
As soon as male problems are addressed just as much as female problems, then I'll take notice to females, not before. Why would I give attention to the group that has inequalities that most are trying to fix instead of give attention to the inequalities to the group that has less people watching their backs? Won't happen.
Probably from the millions of instances in which I've seen men specifically say, "No fat chicks" either verbally, with T-shirts, Facebook pages as well as implicit pressure that females feel when males feel the need to look at the rail-figured women in porn, oggle at women with as much body fat as my small finger has etc, their rap songs, their country songs, goodness there are far to many exampled to list...
You can argue that explicitly stating disgust for "fat chicks", which, whether or not you wish to accept it, includes women that have visible amounts of body fat (there really is no true definition of what it means to be fat, there is overweight and obese, but people typically don't narrow it down so nicely), even though it reduces said women to two simple and somewhat offensive words (she's not a woman, she is a "fat chick") does not count as "pressuring women to be skinny", and I would accept that argument with credence to YOUR personal definition of the word skinny, but take it from a males perspective...
If a large number of women expressed their desire for a certain type of male (eg. masculine and muscular) and you're not exactly up to par with the men in the magazines that they oggle and the pornos that they watch with those men in them, and they blatantly and explicitly expressed that they would have no alternative (no skinny wimps!), and it appears as if your pool of potential mates is limited to how well you can live up to the explicit "no skinny wimps!" declaration, would you not agree that a large number of men would rightly so, feel pressured to live up to an expectation that, in reality, may be unattainable for some men?
The pressure isn't coming from men 100%, but much of it does come from men. It doesn't help that even women feel the need to criticize each other. I know that women do these things for the purposes of attracting men, not just to please other women, and they will do what men seem to respond to most as "attractive". These women are ultimately out to be attractive to men, and market responds to demand...
I'm not implying that it's exclusively the fault of men but once again, I must add, the market responds to demand!
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Skinny girls that are "Healthy" skinny are still seen as a good thing, although I think women look better with curvs.
I don't get where women think men are preasuring them to be skinny. That's not what men do. Maybe they try to encourage them to not be fat, but they don't preasure them to be skinny, despite what a lot of women like to think.
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It's not so much that men are specifically pressuring women to be skinny (there are individual men who do this, but it's not typical, I don't think). It's that in our society, women are pressured to be skinny. Regardless of where exactly that pressure is coming from, it's important to address it. It's a feminist issue in that it disproportionately affects women. Men can have body image issues, too, but women bear the brunt of this stuff right now.
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Well, when men don't have to have the preasure of running in to defend women when they see them in danger, then I'll see their appearance issue as important.
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Are you seriously saying that we can't address feminist issues until all men's gender issues have been solved?
With an attitude like that, nothing will ever get fixed. Stop playing oppression olympics. This is not a contest, and it's not like we can't deal with both of those issues at the same time. Being concerned about how gender issues hurt men doesn't mean that you can't care about how they hurt women.
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Well aren't feminists and women that don't class themselves do the exact same thing, just not bluntly admitting it?
No, I am saying that when we work towards helping both gender's problems out equally.
I am stating that until the male gender receives as much help as the female gender does, and have their problems noticed just as much, then I will put my attention towards women's problems, not before.
The female gender have far more people worrying for their rights and "equality" than men do, so forgive me if I'm trying to support and make people notice that there are a lot of inequalities that in some cases, are worse than women inequalities.
As soon as male problems are addressed just as much as female problems, then I'll take notice to females, not before. Why would I give attention to the group that has inequalities that most are trying to fix instead of give attention to the inequalities to the group that has less people watching their backs? Won't happen.
Probably from the millions of instances in which I've seen men specifically say, "No fat chicks" either verbally, with T-shirts, Facebook pages as well as implicit pressure that females feel when males feel the need to look at the rail-figured women in porn, oggle at women with as much body fat as my small finger has etc, their rap songs, their country songs, goodness there are far to many exampled to list...
You can argue that explicitly stating disgust for "fat chicks", which, whether or not you wish to accept it, includes women that have visible amounts of body fat (there really is no true definition of what it means to be fat, there is overweight and obese, but people typically don't narrow it down so nicely), even though it reduces said women to two simple and somewhat offensive words (she's not a woman, she is a "fat chick") does not count as "pressuring women to be skinny", and I would accept that argument with credence to YOUR personal definition of the word skinny, but take it from a males perspective...
If a large number of women expressed their desire for a certain type of male (eg. masculine and muscular) and you're not exactly up to par with the men in the magazines that they oggle and the pornos that they watch with those men in them, and they blatantly and explicitly expressed that they would have no alternative (no skinny wimps!), and it appears as if your pool of potential mates is limited to how well you can live up to the explicit "no skinny wimps!" declaration, would you not agree that a large number of men would rightly so, feel pressured to live up to an expectation that, in reality, may be unattainable for some men?
The pressure isn't coming from men 100%, but much of it does come from men. It doesn't help that even women feel the need to criticize each other. I know that women do these things for the purposes of attracting men, not just to please other women, and they will do what men seem to respond to most as "attractive". These women are ultimately out to be attractive to men, and market responds to demand...
I'm not implying that it's exclusively the fault of men but once again, I must add, the market responds to demand!
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I dissagree with most of what you typed, but I'm really not motivated enough to reply in full, which would be needed for you to see my point.
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Fair enough.