Is it normal to think civilization lags in south america and africa?

No, this isn’t a racist post. It’s just that when you look at the civilizations across the world the biggest clusters of backwards countries are in Africa and South/Central America. Europe, North America and Asia are far more advanced. We’ve been civilized people for a couple thousand years, so how is there still this huge gap?

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  • barefoot_on_the_sand

    So these people are savages in your opinion.
    Not racist at all all right.

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    • Some of the last savages still on Earth are in those areas, but no I’m more referring to the regular people.

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      • barefoot_on_the_sand

        I'm one of these people.
        I'm the same as everyone.

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        • No offense, but anthropologically it’s a valid question.

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    • Pencilpecker

      Up until the 50s they were largely unexplored, many tribes we cannibal until Christian missionaries taught them it was wrong.

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      • HolyMoses

        Thats fucking retarded look im not going to be pc when I say this but europeans also eat each other and was very very backwards until recently.

        Not every african/native indian tribe was into cannibalism just like how europe also didnt have cannibalism everywhere.

        Most Christian missionaries if you took the time to read documented their interactions with tribes and they made it clear who did cannibalism and who didn't.

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      • barefoot_on_the_sand

        Wut

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  • TheBlindInquisitor

    it all depends on your idea of civilized.

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    • Doxiedog

      Right on! What does the OP think civilized means? And even with a definition is it a valid or fair comparison. The question implies the poster has a very negative view.

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  • leggs91200

    Humans did get by for God knows how long without the "advances" we have today.

    It is funny how part of "civilization" means trying to own the very VERY latest piece of shit you see on TV. I am reminded of that every time I see an ad for the iphone x when they add yet another letter so they can keep the price ungodly high. And of course "intelligent" people are suckered into it.

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  • Doxiedog

    So have you traveled to any of these countries you speak of? You would be surprised how cosmopolitan and yes they have technology in the major urban areas. What you may be thinking about is the ability of their citizens can get access to health and education, transportation and logistics. Yes many of these countries do not have sufficient infrastructure but it doesn’t make them backwards or “shithole” countries as a certain US President likes to say.

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  • JD777

    I don't think you're likely to get objective discussion here. The stark difference in the societies has been the subject of study for a very long time. Google it and you'll find all kind of findings and theories.

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  • TS

    "No, this isn’t a racist post..."
    "...how is there still this huge gap?"

    You'll be able to answer your closing question when you abandon your opening inhibition.

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    • I don’t buy this. Regardless of one’s race or viewpoint on race, the differences in advancement between the Northern and Southern civilizations and societies are quite obvious. It’s an anthropologic question.

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      • geek_god_101

        I am glad you can post questions like this. It is valid and yes civilizations tend to evolve at different rates. Good question, I like seeing this despite the high snowflake population who uses vocabulary words "racist", "bigotry" and "gay".

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  • bubsy

    Western civilization has been the primary driver of innovation for centuries. Everything from electricity to democracy was made by white men. There's something about us white guys: a combination of IQ, creativity, and empathy that is geared towards civilization-building.

    Unfortunately and in Europe especially, the empathy of white, liberal men importing muslim invaders will bring about their downfall. Easy times make soft men.

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    • cinderfloof

      So you're saying that white men in particular are especially intelligent, creative, and empathetic - more so than any other race despite factual evidence otherwise? The top five countries with the highest IQs aren't European. In fact, Asians score better on IQ tests in both America and Asia despite the fact that it was constructed in the west. I also don't believe that you truly understand how questionable IQ tests are. According to data, in 1900 the average American had an IQ of 70 which is equivalent to mental retardation. It's gone up substantially due to the Flynn Effect (which I'll let you research on your own). Furthermore, I'm sure that an inherently empathetic people wouldn't own slaves. Creativity is entirely objective.

      I support you appreciating European civilization. It has an amazing history! However, why ignore Egypt, China, Ghana, Mali, Nubia, and countless others? Hell, Arabic civilizations were perhaps the most impressive in terms of math and astronomy. central african "savages" were performing successful C sections in which the child and mother survived as early as 1879. The world is filled with beauty. Don't ignore half of it to fit your own racist (and yes, thinking white men are naturally superior is racist) ideologies.

      1. https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country
      2. https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
      3. http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/scienceislam_education/docs/Science_and_technology_in_Medieval_Islam-Teachers_notes.pdf
      4. https://fn.bmj.com/content/80/3/F250

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      • bubsy

        Nice strawman, but I don't remember saying white men had the highest IQ scores. Let me copypasta what I DID say:

        "There's something about us white guys: a combination of IQ, creativity, and empathy that is geared towards civilization-building."

        Notice that I said it's a combination. Never said they (white men) were the single greatest at any particular attribute. Often it's not about being the best at a certain thing, but being good at several things in order to make something: be it a company, a country, a civilization and so on. It's really more about the skillset, which I argue white men have the best when it comes to civilizing.

        The technological and societal advantages brought into the world by white men are so numerous that I don't believe I need to write an exhaustive list. But to put it into perspective: an advance made by a woman or person of color is notable because the norm IS the white male.

        We can go into IQ some more if you want to carry the argument there. My perspective is that IQ is determined through genetics. Nature > Nurture. Do you agree with this?

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        • cinderfloof

          You're not understanding. Whether your argument is that white men are the best or simply good, I addressed that each of these points is void. Let me recount my own arguments in an easily digestible manner.

          1) IQ has questionable validity at best, hence the idea that people in 1900 were entirely mentally retarded. Even if it was valid, white men didn't do better than average at a test they themselves made.

          2) Creativity is a vague concept that's completely objective and thus can't be measured.

          3) An empathetic demographic doesn't continue to enslave human beings and treat them subhuman until 1960 - at a point where they were intelligent enough to understand how to build a nuclear bomb.

          I'm not saying that white men are evil. They're just people like anyone else. They're not all especially intelligent or kind or creative - they just exist. I'm sure I don't have to tell you how women weren't seen as much more than baby machines while minorities weren't seen as much more than cattle until recently. When you're not allowed to read or speak without being beaten - it's difficult to achieve as much as a demographic where such things are encouraged.

          I don't agree with that, and neither does science. It's agreed upon by developmental and behavioral psychologists that nature and nurture work in equal parts to shape who we become.

          1) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4513026/

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          • bubsy

            How about we try going at it with this approach: what attributes are we born with, and how would these attributes change our tendency towards crime, creativity or intellectual pursuits?

            Here's a few attributes to consider:
            1. Hormone levels: testosterone and estrogen
            2. Skin pigmentation: melanin
            3. IQ

            Your most recent post seems to discount IQ but you were quite intent on it during your first reply, when you tried to disprove a strawman argument against me.

            What if I said higher testosterone levels increases sexuality and aggression? You with me on that? Now what if I said melanin did the same?

            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

            Melanotan II is a peptide that bodybuilders use to help them tan. It works by stimulating the release of melanin from the skin. It is also increases sexual function.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanotan_II

            Do you see where I'm going with this? Do you see the recipe for disaster? Aggression and sexual drive are absolutely huge variables when it comes to criminal activity. Do you agree with this statement?

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            • cinderfloof

              Before I address this further, I want to allow you to reassess your arguments.

              1. I need better sources than "science direct" and "wikipedia" like dude. Have you ever done research before?

              2. In my first point I said, " I also don't believe that you truly understand how questionable IQ tests are. According to data, in 1900 the average American had an IQ of 70 which is equivalent to mental retardation. It's gone up substantially due to the Flynn Effect (which I'll let you research on your own)." I just repeated my point again in the second edition.

              Luckily for me, Im in a Human Anatomy course in which we just discussed melanin and melanocytes so I'll be back with a more detailed scientific explanation soon! I just feel like these are major lessons you need to learn considering debate.

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    • barefoot_on_the_sand

      No. Wrong.

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      • raisinbran

        You need a more compelling argument than that. Whether you like it or not his statements are true. Maybe others will have an opportunity to contribute now that the doors are wide open.

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  • Handyman

    Looking at Africa, all those impressive buildings are now falling to pieces. A tourist paradise is falling further and further behind, because everyone with a senior position thinks everything is there for the taking.

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  • justafish

    I think you should check out CGP Grey's videos "Americapox: The Missing Plague" and its extension "Zebra vs Horses: Animal Domestication." They sound kinda boring but I swear they're actually really cool! Apparently it's because certain places had animals that were easier to domesticate, which led to people staying in one place more, which led to people congregating in one place, which led to communities and then towns and then cities and so on. The videos have a lot more information and are worth the watch if you're curious!

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  • nikkiclaire

    The abundance of natural resources has a lot to do with it. When you have plenty of food and water you are free for other pursuits. Not to say that everyone is starving in those locations but it plays a roll.

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  • WarriorGene

    It's very accurate and true.

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