Thanks Doctor Duz for your expertise in psychopathology; your knowledge of mental illnesses really is beyond impressive.
But good to know that you're *just* an animal abuser. Phew! I was starting to worry there. I mean, there clearly is nothing abnormal or wrong about abusing animals, is there? Ah, it's so great that you need to kill something weaker than you in order to get pleasure. It isn't even remotely vile, repulsive or pathetic either. But then again, even if it were, who cares? I mean, like you said, it's *just* animal abuse.
Oh, and that was sarcasm, for anyone who doesn't pick up on that sort of thing.
You became more emotional than rational. Obviously I didn't mean the "just" in the way you are implying, as if I see it as something small, I was saying it as in "you're not a psychopath, you're just an animal abuser". Kind of like how someone that kills for their religious beliefs that believe they are a messiah or something, you would say "you're not a messiah, you're "just" a murderer.
You were one of people I least expected to jump on word misunderstandings, and go on the offensive due to it.
Actually, there isn't anything abnormal about it, as a species we do it all the time. We eat meat, wear clothing, hunt, fish, pest control, and so on. Even you have contributed to the deaths of many animals.
The reason why this person is not a sociopath/psychopath (In my opinion), is because I have read up alot that sociopaths/psychopaths do not care or believe what they are doing is wrong, where as this person identified that they know it is wrong.
Actually pretty dissapointed with your reply. From anyone else I wouldn't be so dissapointed, but from you? I judged you too well it seems.
No, I don't think you care if I feel this way about your reply, I just thought maybe some insight on my reaction is.
It is normal that psychos would want to defend the rest of their kind. Some crazy people do not know they are crazy and This happens to be one of them. The poster is clearly sick in the head and needs therapy or strong medicine.
Simply believing you are not a psychopath/sociopath does not make you more likely to be one. For example, if you and I said "I'm not a psychopath" does that make them one?
It's just curiosity.
What did you mean at the start? Are you implying I myself am a psychopath? I assure you that I am not.
I never said that being a psychopath makes you killer. Though many killers have been found to be Antisocial, sociopaths ,and psychopaths. Not every Antisocial, psychopaths or sociopath is a guaranteed killer. However it is a bad sign when you start killing things for the amusement of it. It shows you have no remorse and no self control. People can choose not to do anything. Losing temper once in awhile is understandable to a degree now saying you killed something because you thought it was cute and could not control your self is no reason to be forgiven.
Another evil being on my planet, I see. Killing inocent mice for pleasure does make you a sociopath/psycopath. How can anyone get pleasure from hurting animals. An animals inocence and vulnerabilty usually makes us want to protect them. x
I agree. This is so wrong. How could you even ask if its normal? Its morally wrong, and fucked up! Normalcy shouldn't even be addressed. I dont know you, so I have no idea how normal you are, but I kno. w hurting something or someone weaker than you is just mean. If you derive pleasure from it thats also wrong. If you feel no remorse then you are far frpm normal. But even so, the meat industry is considered normal in.this age and thatalso is fucked upKarma is real
Hmm, very good comeback:P. You've got me thinking. I'm not entirely sure what my answer is yet.
My immediate response was "no, it isn't ok". That's down to my personal beliefs, though, so it's biased.
The question that springs to mind is why? Why would they be torturing animals? That's something that I really can't get my head around.
What rings the "alarm bells" which I mentioned above are the reasons people are behaving the way they're behaving, their motives I guess you could say, not necessarily the behaviour itself.
So I still think the act of torturing animals is wrong, definitely not ok, in my opinion. In that situation I would also think the person is abnormal or even mentally ill. Again, I'm obviously not an expert, so I can't diagnose people. I'd be very curious about why they're doing it. I can't imagine that there's an answer to that question which justifies the act itself. So on that note, I think I've came to the conclusion that it isn't really ok. Unless of course there is a reason which justifies torturing animals (in which case I'll have to think about my answer again). I certainly can't think of any examples. But then again, like I said, I'm biased.
Well it's all semantics I guess. How could you go along with animal torture?
Another arguement that could be made is that the OP specified "weak" animals. Would it be OK for me to torture a lion?
The OP stated that (s)he ran the guinea pig under some cold water and got a thrill when it shrieked. I'd say that's a helluva lot better than something gruesome and not giving a fuck. The OP is likeley a youngster getting a taste of bloodlust that lurks in all humans.
What constitutes torture? I lived on a farm for a while. There's nothing pretty about some of the stuff that went on there. Not because anyone wanted to cause undue suffering, but because that's the way things work on a farm, and believe me we were very well funded and could afford lots of amenities for the animals that a subsistence farmer couldn't.
Folks are removed from these realities nowadays.
I'm no shrink myself, but hopefully I could spot and keep my animals away from someone evil.
No, I am not an "evil being", I may not be good, but I am not good, either. Also, this is not "your" planet.
So what if I did? There are sports for hunting animals just for pleasure, so what makes it different if I do it? Also, if you are a meat eater, then you also contribute to the deaths of animals, not only that, by living in the house you live in, you support the constriction industry that is responsible for many animal deaths.
No, I am not a psychopath/sociopath, and unless you are qualifications that give you any say on that, your "opinion" is not a diagnosis.
Please do understand what I am about to say because I will say it only once. "I do not need qualifications on a medical basis to know that anyone who finds pleasure in harming any creature is psychopathic."
Actually, yes you do. You are arrogant, and it blinds you on your way to progression.
I am not a psychopath/sociopath. There is nothing wrong with me.
I have also done many other things that may border on those things, such as arson, but does that make me any more psychopathic? Ofcourse not. I can feel emotion, I just lack in it, that does not mean I am emotionally impared.
People that hunt are psychopathic? Ever went fishing? It is an enjoyable hobby that is at the dispense of the lives of fish, so does that make people that fish psychopathic?
Yes, you do need qualifications on a mdeical bases to know if someone is a psychopath/sociopath or not, because there have been plenty of presidents that have killed animals for their own enjoyment, such as fishing, hunting, etc.
You know you are wrong, you just don't want to admit it, either that or you are more arrogant than I thought, and think you're still correct despite not having any reason to believe you are right other than "I am right because I feel I am right".
You can't just say something and expect to be correct, especially if what you have said is already defeated by the comment in which the statement is replied to.
I never said that you thinking it's wrong is wrong, I said thinking someone has a mental/personality dissorder just for doing something small compared to what others do for everyones, including your benefits to animals.
If it's any soothing thought to you, the first time I done it to a mouse was out of mercy. My cat cut it's stomach open, and it was still alive, and so I got a tup, put it in, and drowned it. I liked it, but I was showing it mercy. Does that make me evil?
Is it normal to take pleasure in torturing weak animals?
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You're not a sociopath/psychopath.
I myself have killed small mice for pleasure, that does not make me a sociopath/psychopath either.
Probably just an animal abuser.
Personally, I would never hurt my animals, they are mine.
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Thanks Doctor Duz for your expertise in psychopathology; your knowledge of mental illnesses really is beyond impressive.
But good to know that you're *just* an animal abuser. Phew! I was starting to worry there. I mean, there clearly is nothing abnormal or wrong about abusing animals, is there? Ah, it's so great that you need to kill something weaker than you in order to get pleasure. It isn't even remotely vile, repulsive or pathetic either. But then again, even if it were, who cares? I mean, like you said, it's *just* animal abuse.
Oh, and that was sarcasm, for anyone who doesn't pick up on that sort of thing.
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You became more emotional than rational. Obviously I didn't mean the "just" in the way you are implying, as if I see it as something small, I was saying it as in "you're not a psychopath, you're just an animal abuser". Kind of like how someone that kills for their religious beliefs that believe they are a messiah or something, you would say "you're not a messiah, you're "just" a murderer.
You were one of people I least expected to jump on word misunderstandings, and go on the offensive due to it.
Actually, there isn't anything abnormal about it, as a species we do it all the time. We eat meat, wear clothing, hunt, fish, pest control, and so on. Even you have contributed to the deaths of many animals.
The reason why this person is not a sociopath/psychopath (In my opinion), is because I have read up alot that sociopaths/psychopaths do not care or believe what they are doing is wrong, where as this person identified that they know it is wrong.
Actually pretty dissapointed with your reply. From anyone else I wouldn't be so dissapointed, but from you? I judged you too well it seems.
No, I don't think you care if I feel this way about your reply, I just thought maybe some insight on my reaction is.
It is normal that psychos would want to defend the rest of their kind. Some crazy people do not know they are crazy and This happens to be one of them. The poster is clearly sick in the head and needs therapy or strong medicine.
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Simply believing you are not a psychopath/sociopath does not make you more likely to be one. For example, if you and I said "I'm not a psychopath" does that make them one?
It's just curiosity.
What did you mean at the start? Are you implying I myself am a psychopath? I assure you that I am not.
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I never said that being a psychopath makes you killer. Though many killers have been found to be Antisocial, sociopaths ,and psychopaths. Not every Antisocial, psychopaths or sociopath is a guaranteed killer. However it is a bad sign when you start killing things for the amusement of it. It shows you have no remorse and no self control. People can choose not to do anything. Losing temper once in awhile is understandable to a degree now saying you killed something because you thought it was cute and could not control your self is no reason to be forgiven.
Another evil being on my planet, I see. Killing inocent mice for pleasure does make you a sociopath/psycopath. How can anyone get pleasure from hurting animals. An animals inocence and vulnerabilty usually makes us want to protect them. x
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I agree. This is so wrong. How could you even ask if its normal? Its morally wrong, and fucked up! Normalcy shouldn't even be addressed. I dont know you, so I have no idea how normal you are, but I kno. w hurting something or someone weaker than you is just mean. If you derive pleasure from it thats also wrong. If you feel no remorse then you are far frpm normal. But even so, the meat industry is considered normal in.this age and thatalso is fucked upKarma is real
Mice are disease spreading vermin and need to die before they infest. Have you ever lived in an infested domicile?
Have you noticed the mousetrap and poison down at the hardware store?
I guess all those folks involved with pest control are "sociopath/psychopaths"?
That said, I agree that needless torture or suffering is unnecessary.
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I think it's the pleasure aspect of the situation that rings alarm bells. At least for me it does.:)
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Thia story is posted more then once.
Yeah, point taken. But to follow that string of logic, what if someone tortured animals but didn't take any pleasure from it? Would that be OK?
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Hmm, very good comeback:P. You've got me thinking. I'm not entirely sure what my answer is yet.
My immediate response was "no, it isn't ok". That's down to my personal beliefs, though, so it's biased.
The question that springs to mind is why? Why would they be torturing animals? That's something that I really can't get my head around.
What rings the "alarm bells" which I mentioned above are the reasons people are behaving the way they're behaving, their motives I guess you could say, not necessarily the behaviour itself.
So I still think the act of torturing animals is wrong, definitely not ok, in my opinion. In that situation I would also think the person is abnormal or even mentally ill. Again, I'm obviously not an expert, so I can't diagnose people. I'd be very curious about why they're doing it. I can't imagine that there's an answer to that question which justifies the act itself. So on that note, I think I've came to the conclusion that it isn't really ok. Unless of course there is a reason which justifies torturing animals (in which case I'll have to think about my answer again). I certainly can't think of any examples. But then again, like I said, I'm biased.
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Well it's all semantics I guess. How could you go along with animal torture?
Another arguement that could be made is that the OP specified "weak" animals. Would it be OK for me to torture a lion?
The OP stated that (s)he ran the guinea pig under some cold water and got a thrill when it shrieked. I'd say that's a helluva lot better than something gruesome and not giving a fuck. The OP is likeley a youngster getting a taste of bloodlust that lurks in all humans.
What constitutes torture? I lived on a farm for a while. There's nothing pretty about some of the stuff that went on there. Not because anyone wanted to cause undue suffering, but because that's the way things work on a farm, and believe me we were very well funded and could afford lots of amenities for the animals that a subsistence farmer couldn't.
Folks are removed from these realities nowadays.
I'm no shrink myself, but hopefully I could spot and keep my animals away from someone evil.
No, I am not an "evil being", I may not be good, but I am not good, either. Also, this is not "your" planet.
So what if I did? There are sports for hunting animals just for pleasure, so what makes it different if I do it? Also, if you are a meat eater, then you also contribute to the deaths of animals, not only that, by living in the house you live in, you support the constriction industry that is responsible for many animal deaths.
No, I am not a psychopath/sociopath, and unless you are qualifications that give you any say on that, your "opinion" is not a diagnosis.
Yes, I would protect "my" animals aswell.
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Please do understand what I am about to say because I will say it only once. "I do not need qualifications on a medical basis to know that anyone who finds pleasure in harming any creature is psychopathic."
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Actually, yes you do. You are arrogant, and it blinds you on your way to progression.
I am not a psychopath/sociopath. There is nothing wrong with me.
I have also done many other things that may border on those things, such as arson, but does that make me any more psychopathic? Ofcourse not. I can feel emotion, I just lack in it, that does not mean I am emotionally impared.
People that hunt are psychopathic? Ever went fishing? It is an enjoyable hobby that is at the dispense of the lives of fish, so does that make people that fish psychopathic?
Yes, you do need qualifications on a mdeical bases to know if someone is a psychopath/sociopath or not, because there have been plenty of presidents that have killed animals for their own enjoyment, such as fishing, hunting, etc.
You know you are wrong, you just don't want to admit it, either that or you are more arrogant than I thought, and think you're still correct despite not having any reason to believe you are right other than "I am right because I feel I am right".
You can't just say something and expect to be correct, especially if what you have said is already defeated by the comment in which the statement is replied to.
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There is nothing wrong about thinking that hurting animals is evil and if that makes me arrogant then so be it.
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I never said that you thinking it's wrong is wrong, I said thinking someone has a mental/personality dissorder just for doing something small compared to what others do for everyones, including your benefits to animals.
If it's any soothing thought to you, the first time I done it to a mouse was out of mercy. My cat cut it's stomach open, and it was still alive, and so I got a tup, put it in, and drowned it. I liked it, but I was showing it mercy. Does that make me evil?
I am not evil, either*
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We'll let those gorgeous creatures who you take pleasure in killing be the judge of that.
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Yes, and let the gorgeous creatures that died for you to have a house be the judge of you. Same logic.
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Died for me to have a house, would I be asking too much in wanting to know what the hell ur going on about.
Most people kill mice since they are pests. Duz is doing it for fun. That is the sign of a sick human.
Apprently I'm a psychopath.
What kind of pleasure?