Suffering is such a relative term. When people see a hurricane killing 100 people, they may think that is suffering. But what I see, is 100 stupid people that chose a poor place to live, and weren't prepared for the things that entails. A man kills his ex, well she shouldn't have been such a bitch. A black 17 year old boy is shot, well he shouldn't have started a fight he couldn't finish. Etc.
And as far as human nature goes, no, I don't think it is natural to want to cause suffering. I firmly believe that those people who cause "suffering" ended up that way purely based on how their environment formed them, not on how they were naturally born.
Whether they weren't loved enough as a kid, their parents were over protective nazis, they hung out around bad people (already formed by their environment) who acted as mentors to them, someone betrayed them so badly, or what have you.
I agree that many people are the cause of their own suffering, but there are also people who just don't seem to deserve the hell they get, as if they are destined to a painful tragic life. Edgar Allen Poe and Arshile Gorky for instance. But it happens to "normal" people too, people we know who spend half their lives in the hospital (for legitimate reasons. I know some just like to hang out there) or can never seem to move forward. Are such punishments necessary and do they have a purpose? Did they do something to deserve it, even if they seem to be good people?
Shit happens. And once again, all the things you are saying are so relative. One person who is in the hospital for all his life might embrace it and learn to enjoy it, while the depressive type of people will just moap around in their "suffering." It is all a matter of how the person looks at things. You can look at someone dying and say there is no reason for it and be sad. You can look at someone dying and rejoice in their life, and learn to appreciate your own more. It isn't a matter of "is there a general definitive reason for suffering for everyone" or "is suffering needed to serve a greater purpose", but rather asking people's opinion on "Do you look at suffering as having no reason, or do you see it as something to grow from." It can be different for different people but there is no one answer.
But as the optimist that I am, my opinion is that any form of suffering serves a purpose/is something to learn from. I don't think that is why suffering happens (as you don't need suffering just to realize/learn things), but it is just a positive way to look at it, and with some people, they do need a tragic event to make them realize they are doing something wrong.
My positive mind can make any bad situation into a good one, but most people's minds just don't work like that, and they are stuck on the bad.
The thing is the ones that cause the wrong are the ones that need more love. If you truly are a strong mature person you would not let the fight get any further. Most negative people will soon realize when around a positive person or positive people that they can be like that and absorb the positive energy. Positive energy can be just as strong as negative energy just as long as you don't absorb the negative energy and get angry back at a negative person. Of course from what you are saying their are the people who choose to not live happily but at the same time why do we have a right to control what they choose. Just don't let them control you either. :)
I choose to see the good in every person around me whether they have a stronger negative side or a stronger positive side.
ermmm, I don't know where you got that from or what you are responding to in my post, but that didn't make sense / was unrelated to anything I said. But yeah, I'm not saying we need to force people to be happy, I'm just saying, labeling something as "suffering" is completely in the eye of the beholder. Some people don't suffer at all, because they can always see the positive in things/people. But the other half of people choose to be set on the bad, and they suffer for it.
Is it normal to justify pain and suffering w/ a greater purpose?
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You were asking why there is suffering in the world. There are scientific explanations on why nature happens.
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So, then do you think human nature could be the reason for suffering? It is natural for people to want to cause suffering?
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Suffering is such a relative term. When people see a hurricane killing 100 people, they may think that is suffering. But what I see, is 100 stupid people that chose a poor place to live, and weren't prepared for the things that entails. A man kills his ex, well she shouldn't have been such a bitch. A black 17 year old boy is shot, well he shouldn't have started a fight he couldn't finish. Etc.
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I agree that many people are the cause of their own suffering, but there are also people who just don't seem to deserve the hell they get, as if they are destined to a painful tragic life. Edgar Allen Poe and Arshile Gorky for instance. But it happens to "normal" people too, people we know who spend half their lives in the hospital (for legitimate reasons. I know some just like to hang out there) or can never seem to move forward. Are such punishments necessary and do they have a purpose? Did they do something to deserve it, even if they seem to be good people?
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Shit happens. And once again, all the things you are saying are so relative. One person who is in the hospital for all his life might embrace it and learn to enjoy it, while the depressive type of people will just moap around in their "suffering." It is all a matter of how the person looks at things. You can look at someone dying and say there is no reason for it and be sad. You can look at someone dying and rejoice in their life, and learn to appreciate your own more. It isn't a matter of "is there a general definitive reason for suffering for everyone" or "is suffering needed to serve a greater purpose", but rather asking people's opinion on "Do you look at suffering as having no reason, or do you see it as something to grow from." It can be different for different people but there is no one answer.
But as the optimist that I am, my opinion is that any form of suffering serves a purpose/is something to learn from. I don't think that is why suffering happens (as you don't need suffering just to realize/learn things), but it is just a positive way to look at it, and with some people, they do need a tragic event to make them realize they are doing something wrong.
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The thing is the ones that cause the wrong are the ones that need more love. If you truly are a strong mature person you would not let the fight get any further. Most negative people will soon realize when around a positive person or positive people that they can be like that and absorb the positive energy. Positive energy can be just as strong as negative energy just as long as you don't absorb the negative energy and get angry back at a negative person. Of course from what you are saying their are the people who choose to not live happily but at the same time why do we have a right to control what they choose. Just don't let them control you either. :)
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ermmm, I don't know where you got that from or what you are responding to in my post, but that didn't make sense / was unrelated to anything I said. But yeah, I'm not saying we need to force people to be happy, I'm just saying, labeling something as "suffering" is completely in the eye of the beholder. Some people don't suffer at all, because they can always see the positive in things/people. But the other half of people choose to be set on the bad, and they suffer for it.