Is it normal to have this issue with feminism?

I think that Feminism is constantly used to lower people's standards. I agree that there are a number of unfair sexist double standards in society, but Feminism always takes the easy way out when dealing with them.

Consider slut shaming: An unfair double standard? Sure. What we should do though is shame male sluts rather than giving female sluts an easy time.

Anyone feel me here?

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  • -Rue-

    Being a 'feminist' myself, (or rather, promoting equality) I understand what you're saying.

    For instance, the right to women being in the military, but lowering the overall standards (at least for the women) is absurd. If people want equality, than they have to be prepared to fit standards with no special rights.

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    • ilovetoiletrolls

      Maybe the standards make sense though as women are naturally less muscular than men. Does it have to do with that? Because a women would have to work out 10x more than a male just to be at a similar physique.

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  • Feminism is just one big victim-complex and irrational. How it has existed this long is beyond me, but given more and more people are opposing it, I think it'll be on its way out soon, or atleast just be one of those side groups that exists but nobody really cares about anymore.

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    • You will not believe what I seen the feminists are trying to ban the word bossy!

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      • Yeah, I remember that. I found it painfully ironic. They have a video of multiple successful, in control of their lives women saying how they were called "bossy" growing up (because we all know only women get called that growing up, amirite?) and how being called bossy as a girl cripples your chances of being successful and in control of things...If that was the case, that they were being called bossy and it cripples the capability of girls being in control of certain things, that these women gained the positions they are in...?

        Not to mention, do we want people that can be so easily destoryed by being called a name in leadership positions? Being a leader means being able to handle obstacles...Do we want people as leaders that are so easily influenced away from certain abilities due to the obstacles of name calling? Does having all the obstacles removed for you make you a good leader? No. You're supposed to be the one that gets past obstacles by leading a team, not the one that gets obstacles removed for you because you are too inept to.

        Did you hear about that feminist that for PTSD from Twitter? Can you believe that crap? She even compared it to the PTSD that veterans have...I shit you not, and she threatened to try and fire anyone that is a veteran that points out how BS that is.

        Feminism is a cancer to all that is rational.

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        • Lol a billion dollar business woman and film actresses saying being called bossy will stop them from gaining leadership positions when they were called bossy and gained leadership wtf?! I agree if your that weak to be hurt by being called bossy your to weak to be a leader.

          PTSD from twitter? Veterans who watched people blown up in there face compared to twitter messages?

          Hail Feminism for all the funny stupid shit they do! Its very entertianing.

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        • PTSD from twitter?

          They better stay away from coming here then.

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          • Oh, trust me, that criticism has come up and her therapist apparently tells her that she must face the dangers of the wide interwebs...Apparently.

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        • CountessDouche

          Are you calling me fat?

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          • No, just obese. ;)

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          • Prove it show me them boobies.

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      • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

        well what the fuckin hell am i sposta call my cow now?

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    • lolol555

      First wave and second wave were fine, back when women didn't even have the right to vote and were viewed as second class citizens. Third wave? A load of pity party rubbish - I agree.

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  • MysticLane

    why shame anyone? why do we need to have standards on people? literally what is so hard about this... just don't fucking judge people. Let them do what they want as long as it's not harming anyone else. That's it. The world would be such a nice and peaceful place if people lived by this.

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    • Feminists harm people are you high? They have no consideration for anyone other than themselves. They deserve shame, they harmed plenty of innocent people.

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      • MysticLane

        um, no. REAL feminists don't harm anyone. I'm a feminist, a real one.. never have I harmed anyone. If women are harming others and being hateful towards men those aren't feminists they're MISANDRISTS.

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  • -Rue-

    Unfortunately there does not appear to be a reply button on the mobile version of IIN.

    That being said, no one owns the 'rights to equality.' I suppose it depends on a individuals belief, but to my knowledge feminism was organized to be a group that supported equality, and sought to end the oppression of women. In fact, if you were to look up the definition of feminism it goes as followed:

    "The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men."

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    • I apologize. I've never used the mobile version of the site, so excuse my ignorance.

      Maybe it was the group's original intent, however we cannot judge a group in present day by their ways of the past.
      I never liked the "definition of feminism" argument. Feminism is an ideology, it has theories, literature, beliefs, and so on. A more rational explanation of what a feminism would be a group that believes in feminist beliefs and theories of female oppression. I personally believe the definition of the word is due to political correctness doing its part.

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    • Couman

      So you're saying we should lower the standards for you? How about you just get a real computer?

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  • mrkrule

    What exactly is wrong with sleeping around though? Why should anyone be judged or mistreated for such personal decisions? And how exactly would you define "slutty"? I'm sure the mennonite girls around here think my shorts are "slutty", but they are perfectly tame to me and my family and aren't considered sexually provocative. Some people think sex with strangers is slutty, others think sex with anyone outside of marriage is slutty. I'm just down about the whole concept of "sluts". They don't exist. In a perfect world that standard wouldn't apply to anyone.

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  • lolol555

    "Sure. What we should do though is shame male sluts rather than giving female sluts an easy time."
    Or maybe shame neither because how active a person is sexually is nothing to be ashamed of?

    I used to be a feminist, until I got sick of all the female-issues-only bullshit. Guys suffer from sexism too not just women.

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  • -Rue-

    I wholeheartedly agree that the definition of feminism has changed, and the victim-complex is widespread throughout the whole organization, even if no one cares to address the issue.

    With the said the oppression of women is real, and denying it is being ignorant of an entire genders suffering.

    Obviously women's struggles aren't as prevalent in first world countries. However, in many developing counties (ex: majority of the Middle East) women are considered subhuman and are treated as such.

    I suppose I myself must rethink of considering myself as a feminist, as the word does appear to have negative stigma in society nowadays. I consider myself a humans right activist, and believe in what the original intent of feminism was.

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    • I would not say the oppression of women is real unless you are talking about third world countries, and I would believe that thinking so is the ignorant path. I'm open to discussion on the matter, however.

      Also, I would consider distancing yourself from feminism. I won't force you to take on any labels, that's your choice, but feminism in itself has recieved a negative stigma for a reason. However, if you do hold on to feminist beliefs, then stand by the title that explains your beliefs, because having the beliefs of something but claiming another title is not enough to fool people.

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  • disthing

    I just hate how the reputation of feminism has been damaged over time by the few, ridiculous people purporting to speak for the movement, and for the misinterpretation and misappropriation by others of its values.

    Feminism should be a branch of egalitarianism. It shouldn't be equated to female superiority or misandry.

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  • I_Like_To_Fuck_Goats

    I just cruise around town all day bare poling as much random tail as I possibly can!

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    • disthing

      Are there a lot of wild goats where you live?

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      • I_Like_To_Fuck_Goats

        All kinds and they all have swollen asses

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  • ilovetoiletrolls

    I think equal rights is fine but being over-the-top feminist makes people look like sexist pricks and that's the opposite of what they're supposedly trying to achieve, right?

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  • Tommythecat.

    Fuck.

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  • CountessDouche

    In my opinion, there is a huge discrepancy between real feminism and what people use the word to describe. I shudder to label myself a feminist because of all of the negative images it congers, hairy arpitted women with daddy issues and riteous anger.

    REAL feminism is about choices, not necessarily about rejecting traditional gender roles and guilt tripping men for behaving like men. For example, if I CHOOSE to behave in a traditionally feminine manner, want to cook and be a house marm, that doesn't make me any more or less of a feminist. I see exercising my will to be an act of feminism in and of itself.

    I happen to find traditional gender roles to be sexy. As an opinionated, loudmouthed woman who swears like a drunken lumberjack and exudes masculine energy, I eternally love any man who can out man me. Nomnomnom all over sexy, stable, authoritative, masculine guys who make me feel feminine...so sexy!!

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    • I think you need to understand that most people do not dislike feminism due to the reasons you assume they dislike it, most dislike it due to its beliefs and the actions of those that claim to be feminists.

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      • CountessDouche

        Exactly my point! In essence, there is nothing wrong with the idea of feminism, the notion of equal rights. My point is the same as the OP's, I think- that the problem doesn't lie with the ideology itself, but what people DO with that ideology - they use it as a platform to justify all types of double standards. All I was saying us that there is a huge difference between the ideas behind feminism and how people translate those ideas.

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    • Idk man almost every single feminist I seen looked like a whale or a dude. Feminism seems like a way for ugly woman to bitch and complain about society.

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      • ilovetoiletrolls

        My best friend is a feminist and she's underweight and very feminine. I know what you mean though as a lot of feminists are lesbians.

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      • CountessDouche

        *looks down at her epically hawt bewbz and confirms that she must not be a feminist

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        • "Shakes head in disbelief"

          http://www.flippincool.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Feminist.jpg

          http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u-LXo5asVZY/TllLHPw6AiI/AAAAAAAAADk/su50jjD30PY/s1600/andrea-dworkin-feminist-s-007.jpg

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  • -Rue-

    What, you think I believe people dislike feminism just because women want all the rights men want? I fully understand that people dislike the beliefs and actions that a majority of feminists carry themselves with.

    Your assumption that I was making an assumption is deeply incorrect sir, good day to you.

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  • -Rue-

    Than*

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  • Blue_Velvet

    I think women deserves to get equally paid as men do on any occupation.

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  • handsignals

    44 Comments! nice work OP.
    Is there a record for most number of comments.

    Oh yeah.....um....stare rape is a crime

    C Ya.

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  • WickedLazers

    In my first year of university, I was in small work-group discussion about Virgil's Aeneid. I (jokingly) compared the tragic character of Dido to a hormonal woman on her period; an innocent joke I thought. Most of the people in the group were girls, and mostly feminists. Let's just say it didn't exactly fly with them. Other than that, I am all for equal gender rights and equality. Its the extremists that usually tarnish it for everyone else.

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  • dom180

    Just because some people use a label to gain legitimacy for their beliefs, does not mean those people represent the wider body of theory. Picking on examples of extremists cannot logically discredit wider theory. If you show a greater interest in what people do rather than the strength of a body of theory, you are displaying a poor quality of imagination and an unambitious attitude to logic. There's a popular quote about it attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt.

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  • -Rue-

    Oh man, I heard about the whole twitter thing, absolutely ludicrous.

    People go to great extents to try and defend their idiocy.

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  • -Rue-

    You can't stand the women having equality part, or the women superiority / having more special rights then men part?

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    • The reply button is there for a reason. Delete your comment I am responding to here and click the reply option and post it in response to the user you are addressing this to, otherwise they won't get the notification that you responded to them.

      That said, feminism does not own the rights to the concept of equality. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

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