I see where you're coming from, but intersex is an incredibly rare birth defect. It's not like it's a significant number of people to where you can say sex isn't a dichotomy in the big picture. For the vast majority of people, it's a dick or a vagina end of story.
I don't think there's many genders either. You can be on a sliding scale of masculinity and femininity, but that's not a new gender. Personally I'm a somewhat feminine man, but having some feminine tastes does not make me "part woman", or automatically transgender when I don't have gender dysphoria. I am physically male, I live my life as a male and I will die as a male.
As I've said elsewhere on this thread: masculinity and femininity are artificial social constructs and the sooner we all get over these antiquated concepts the better it will be.
No, they're biological reality. There's penis or vagina, XY or XX. Research has shown that male babies are predominantly attracted to boy toys and female babies to dolls.
I don't understand how a 70 year old can have absorbed so much hogwash from a liberal college's women studies course like the millennialist are all exposed to.
Actually I've never done a women's studies and what research are you talking about? Babies don't show preferences for gendered toys until they're taught to.
You don't seem to know the difference between biological gender - female or male and rarely intersex - and femininity and masculinity, which don't necessarily correlate with physical gender.
I guess that's biological sex..no worries I know that one.I mean gender..identity. To be honest I'm biologically fem but I liked both girl and boy toys when I was little(and my parents allowed me to have both),plus my parents make me wear both girl and boy clothes(except the skirt). I grew up feeling neutral on my gender and I was used calling myself an either son or daughter of my parents because of it and my parents doesn't seem to mind. These things seemed to make me...not straight in a literal personality and identity sense. Until now my clothes are still mixed,not just with jeans(I know girls wear them) but actually pants and shorts and shirts for guys itself,and I've already been used to it(still no skirts though,mom won't allow me wtf). Plus I ended up a pan/genderblind all over the years(or call it bisexual if that's what you wish). And I get awkward with my own genitals at times,and I'm sure straight males and females don't usually experience that. Now how will you explain that? I'm asking this cause I think you can at least give answer without being angry.
I agree with your below comment about the ridiculousness of arbitrarily attaching gender roles and "feelings" of gender onto everything. But with that said, personally I don't think gender roles are totally socially constructed.
Aspects of it are for sure, like women wearing pink and men wearing blue, make-up and skirts etc. But I think it is real to say there is a GENERAL way men are more likely to behave and a GENERAL way women are more likely to behave, based on thousands of years of evolution and epigenetics. That's not to say there aren't anomalies, I'm one and that's ok, but most people do comfortably fit (more or less anyway) into the gender roles of their birth sex without any problem.
I think the "problem", if there is one, is the absolute enforcement of strict gender roles onto people. Nobody should be forced or pressured to behave a certain way because of their birth sex, just because most people of my birth sex follow a certain "rule" it doesn't mean I should have to.
People fit into gender roles because that is what we are taught to do and that's not without problems for anyone who doesn't conform with the expected gender stereotypes and for society in general.
Given that stereotyping begins so early in life, sometimes even before birth, there's no way of knowing for sure if gender artificial constructs, but I'd love to see a society without those expectations - then we'd know for sure.
No it won't be better. I like men to be men and women to be women.
I was in the Apple store today and the men looked like girls and the girls looked like guys and you know what. I considered them all freaks and really started to hate my generation.
Incredibly rare... a.k.a 1 in 50. Redheads are much rarer.
Sure, ambigious genitalia at birth only happen one in a 1500 birts, but intersex means anything that isn't either long phallus, no vag, testicles, no ovaries or uterus, xy or short phallus (clit), vag, ovaries and uterus, no testicles, xx. People can learn they are intersex during puberty or even later in life, when they have no period or grow a beard/balls never drop/have an ultrasound/have a dna test. Some are only found out post-mortem to be intersex.
Is your definition of male and female "XY or XX in EVERY cell"? Well, then there is a huge amount of people on the continuum of sex. 1 in 8 people is a tetragametic chimera, which means their body developed from two zygotes (nonidentical twins smushed into a single body). Many people don't know, as it sometimes requires checking different tissues. And there is roughly 50% chance of the zygotes being diffferent sexes...
Yes but even if it's the maximum 1/16 that's still a pretty small minority, and most of those people pass as one sex or the other. No I'm not an "XX or XY" fundamentalist, if you still otherwise pass as totally male or totally female and never find out you are intersex then you are as good as not.
Most people are unambiguously male or female, even if they are not "100%" then they are enough that they pass. The few people who are physically ambiguous are such a vanishingly small proportion of the population that they as good as don't exist in the big picture. It's also worth saying, that most of the people who actually are born with ambiguous genitals still pick either of the "traditional" genders to live as too, based on what they're closer to.
Is it normal to have multiple genders?
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I see where you're coming from, but intersex is an incredibly rare birth defect. It's not like it's a significant number of people to where you can say sex isn't a dichotomy in the big picture. For the vast majority of people, it's a dick or a vagina end of story.
I don't think there's many genders either. You can be on a sliding scale of masculinity and femininity, but that's not a new gender. Personally I'm a somewhat feminine man, but having some feminine tastes does not make me "part woman", or automatically transgender when I don't have gender dysphoria. I am physically male, I live my life as a male and I will die as a male.
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As I've said elsewhere on this thread: masculinity and femininity are artificial social constructs and the sooner we all get over these antiquated concepts the better it will be.
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No, they're biological reality. There's penis or vagina, XY or XX. Research has shown that male babies are predominantly attracted to boy toys and female babies to dolls.
I don't understand how a 70 year old can have absorbed so much hogwash from a liberal college's women studies course like the millennialist are all exposed to.
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Actually I've never done a women's studies and what research are you talking about? Babies don't show preferences for gendered toys until they're taught to.
You don't seem to know the difference between biological gender - female or male and rarely intersex - and femininity and masculinity, which don't necessarily correlate with physical gender.
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https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/06/03/infants-show-a-preference-for-toys-that-match-their-gender-before-they-know-what-gender-is/
I do know the difference between sex and gender. Sex is biological reality, gender is a feminist construct.
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Feminist? You mean the women stuff? Does being female had to do something with it?
I guess that's biological sex..no worries I know that one.I mean gender..identity. To be honest I'm biologically fem but I liked both girl and boy toys when I was little(and my parents allowed me to have both),plus my parents make me wear both girl and boy clothes(except the skirt). I grew up feeling neutral on my gender and I was used calling myself an either son or daughter of my parents because of it and my parents doesn't seem to mind. These things seemed to make me...not straight in a literal personality and identity sense. Until now my clothes are still mixed,not just with jeans(I know girls wear them) but actually pants and shorts and shirts for guys itself,and I've already been used to it(still no skirts though,mom won't allow me wtf). Plus I ended up a pan/genderblind all over the years(or call it bisexual if that's what you wish). And I get awkward with my own genitals at times,and I'm sure straight males and females don't usually experience that. Now how will you explain that? I'm asking this cause I think you can at least give answer without being angry.
I agree with your below comment about the ridiculousness of arbitrarily attaching gender roles and "feelings" of gender onto everything. But with that said, personally I don't think gender roles are totally socially constructed.
Aspects of it are for sure, like women wearing pink and men wearing blue, make-up and skirts etc. But I think it is real to say there is a GENERAL way men are more likely to behave and a GENERAL way women are more likely to behave, based on thousands of years of evolution and epigenetics. That's not to say there aren't anomalies, I'm one and that's ok, but most people do comfortably fit (more or less anyway) into the gender roles of their birth sex without any problem.
I think the "problem", if there is one, is the absolute enforcement of strict gender roles onto people. Nobody should be forced or pressured to behave a certain way because of their birth sex, just because most people of my birth sex follow a certain "rule" it doesn't mean I should have to.
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People fit into gender roles because that is what we are taught to do and that's not without problems for anyone who doesn't conform with the expected gender stereotypes and for society in general.
Given that stereotyping begins so early in life, sometimes even before birth, there's no way of knowing for sure if gender artificial constructs, but I'd love to see a society without those expectations - then we'd know for sure.
No it won't be better. I like men to be men and women to be women.
I was in the Apple store today and the men looked like girls and the girls looked like guys and you know what. I considered them all freaks and really started to hate my generation.
Btw none of them were attractive to me.
Incredibly rare... a.k.a 1 in 50. Redheads are much rarer.
Sure, ambigious genitalia at birth only happen one in a 1500 birts, but intersex means anything that isn't either long phallus, no vag, testicles, no ovaries or uterus, xy or short phallus (clit), vag, ovaries and uterus, no testicles, xx. People can learn they are intersex during puberty or even later in life, when they have no period or grow a beard/balls never drop/have an ultrasound/have a dna test. Some are only found out post-mortem to be intersex.
Is your definition of male and female "XY or XX in EVERY cell"? Well, then there is a huge amount of people on the continuum of sex. 1 in 8 people is a tetragametic chimera, which means their body developed from two zygotes (nonidentical twins smushed into a single body). Many people don't know, as it sometimes requires checking different tissues. And there is roughly 50% chance of the zygotes being diffferent sexes...
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/620/434/f9e.gif
TLDR: Depending on definition of male, female and intersex, intersex people are between 1 in 1500 to 1 in 16 of human population.
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Yes but even if it's the maximum 1/16 that's still a pretty small minority, and most of those people pass as one sex or the other. No I'm not an "XX or XY" fundamentalist, if you still otherwise pass as totally male or totally female and never find out you are intersex then you are as good as not.
Most people are unambiguously male or female, even if they are not "100%" then they are enough that they pass. The few people who are physically ambiguous are such a vanishingly small proportion of the population that they as good as don't exist in the big picture. It's also worth saying, that most of the people who actually are born with ambiguous genitals still pick either of the "traditional" genders to live as too, based on what they're closer to.