In our modern world, one person or gender cannot take all the credit for building or creating anything. It takes teams of people to make anything happen.
Before the 1800's, no one even knows how many women invented anything as they were not allowed to, so using any example before women were allowed to patent things isn't fair or accurate. There's no way to tell whether a man or woman invented it. Even after that, women were so oppressed so it's still an iffy area.
It takes financial backing, clerical work, permits, legal work, studies, and so forth. DO you even realize how much work goes into deciding and studying whether or not a stop sign or a traffic light is needed?
Yes, one person may come up with an idea, however it's not patented or sold overnight by magic. Many great men credit their mother or wife most of all for their support. Nikola Tesla, arguably one of the greatest inventor of late, got his inventiveness from his mother.
All that I am, or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother. -Abraham Lincoln
My mother was the most beautiful woman I ever saw. All I am I owe to my mother. I attribute all my success in life to the moral, intellectual and physical education I received from her. -George Washington
The hand that rocks the cradle
Is the hand that rules the world.
-W. R. Wallace
Speaking of selling, if you take away the buying power of females, you would have very little or no success.
You speak of building buildings and systems. Yes, mostly men do the physical work, but there's so much other work that gets done in order to do the job. You can't just wake up one day and go build a house or put in a sewer system. Maybe a few hundred years ago you could but not these days. Without one piece of the puzzle, there can be no job done.
Let me explain. I work in a metal shop. I build things. However, I can't build a goddamn thing (to specs) without blueprints, I can't get my materials without going through the supply and purchasing department, and all of this is financed by the company's owners. We have a legal team, we have sales people, accountants and everything else. If one of those jobs wasn't done, no job would get done. I'd have no job if no one bought our products (many of our customers are hospitals and doctors who cater to women's health). I don't fault the fat drafters or the short, weak accountants for doing their jobs just because I'm much bigger and stronger than them. So I'm a buff dude, big deal, that alone doesn't make me greater than anyone else, unless I suppose we're talking about engaging in a street fight.
Women make up about 48% of the US workforce. You can make all the crap you want, but SOMEONE has to buy it, at least about half of those 'someones' are females.
ALL jobs are important. The job doesn't have to be physically demanding, nor does it need to be genius. Most people are not geniuses or physically fit. If everyone was then there'd be no one to do all the little shit jobs behind the scenes that keep everything running.
Actually, yes they can. Not an individual, but a group.
For example, by what you are saying, humanity cannot take credit for speaking English, French, German, etc, basically any forms of communitcation. As a group, humans have done many things, and so take full credit for the things they are responsible for, the expansion of communication such as vocal communication like English being one of them. So yes, groups can be responsible for something completely.
Did I say women have not helped at all? Ofcourse not, nor will I ever say such a thing. I have said men have done more, and continue to do more because they are capable of more, because they are.
So for teams of people, is a construction force not a 'team' of people? And when they are all men, does that not make that 'team' of people male construction workers? Yes, it does.
Women were opressed? Yes. So how do we reach a conclusion? Simply observe today's world. Women still do little needed in maintaining or progressing humanity as much as males do when women now 'have' rights. So implying women may have done just as much in quantity or quality when they had no rights, yet do very much less when they do have the rights to is just irrational.
Women have rights now, yet we still rely more so on males to maintain and progress humanity because they have done it more. So if women still do not do these things to the same standards as men today when they had their rights, saying they may have done equal when it was difficult for them to do less than equal amounts is just irrational.
The jobs we relied on back then are jobs we rely on now. Infact, the jobs that were needed done back then, still neded done now are far easier due to the advancements of technology, yet women are still nowhere to be seen in the construction indstry. So saying that they did not help because they were not allowed to is just wrong, given that they are allowed to now, even when it is far easier to do now.
I completely dislike the idea of "Women 'might' of done it, so therfor saying males done something great should not be held reliable, it might of been a woman." It is completely rodant behavior.
So let me get this straight. Because someone 'supported' someone while the person was achieving greatness, that equals to them being equally as great for supporting them?
Say if I supported a bum more than this person's mother did, giving them a home, food, water, heat. ALl for nothing. I was supporting him in getting his life together from scracth, getting him clean from habits such as drugs. If I supported that person, and he done nothing great, does that make me great? Even if I done more support than this person's mother? But if I done all that, and he happened to do greatness, then I am responsible for it? So I would only be great if this person became great? Do you know how leech like that sounds? You are describing this woman as a parasite.
Greatness does not get given to you, it is worked for. Yes, the woman may have supported him, that does not make her great. Yes, this man may say he would be nowehere without her, that does not mean the greatness came from her.
Yes, some, very few, but some men may have got their motivations from women, but if it was as simple as "She made it possible", then why did 'she' not do it? Because she lacked what it took to achieve greatness.
Your whole mentality here is that an idea equals to the greatness of achieving that idea. In our more early time of humanity, did people think "One day man will fly?"...? Yes. Does that mean that because they thought of the idea of humanity being able to fly, that they are equal to the people that made aircrafts? No.
Slavery ended in the US in 1865. However, that didn't mean black people were 'free' and welcomed with open arms.
Segregation didn't end until the 1950's. Even when it 'ended' it didn't really end. It was met with much resistance and there were still grave injustices done to blacks because the attitudes of people carried over with disregard to the law.
The end of slavery and segregation didn't equate to the instant success of blacks.
Black people in the US are very much 'behind' whites in all areas but they are advancing every day.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that modern people can use past oppression as if it were their own experience.
However, what I am saying is that past oppression doesn't vanish instantly once a injustice is rectified legally.
It takes generations to truly lose the attitudes. Many people to this day are still racist and still beat women, and still want their wife to stay home. Many men are adamant about not working alongside women in industrial 'manly' jobs. While by law they may have to, that doesn't mean they are nice to the woman or make her time at the job easy. I've personally seen men torture women right out of the job. Perfectly capable women, but the workplace was so hostile that they couldn't take it.
Women asking for equality doesn't mean they personally want to do a certain job or participate, they simply want everyone to have the option. Option doesn't equal obligation. People have the right to choose whatever profession or role they want.
I think it is a completely different case when comparing how women are treated and how males are treated after it is illegal after oppression. We now put women before most, even before children.
Regardless of the fact that more women than men are in the education system, we still try encourage women to go in to education instead of men.
When it comes to rape and assault, males are likely to be arrested even if 'they' phoned for protection against a female abuser.
Rape allegations, false ones, have made many victim males.
Do you know it is against the law for males to sit next to children on airplanes?
Yes, some males do believe this, which is sexist, but it is in no way as bad as the negative treatment males now are facing.
It seems the further males allow females to be treated equally, the more females and feminists try to opress males. Do you believe that is fair? No, especially when they are doing it to the group that has done most of which we benefit from today.
So in the case of legal activity, females are in no way victimized as much as males. Don't even get me started on how three older females were caught on video forcefully stripping a younger boy, caught on camera, and still not charged with anything. Imagine the genders reversed.
Yes, people should be allowed to choose what career they want 'equally'. If they refuse to make the choice to do the jobs 'needed', then they are not equally helpful.
Having equal choice and being equal are two things.
If you have equal choice, then don't make the choice to do the equal 'needed' work, then you can't expect to be seen as equal.
We live in a world where women are allowed to say they are equal without proving it.
If women want to be seen as the equal gender, then they have to use their equal choices to do equal work, otherwise they are not equal.
Thank you for understanding why I may get frustrated. It's appreciated.
I completely agree with you that men are treated unfairly in legal matters more often than women. However, it WAS worse, it's getting better. Much better.
I didn't know about the airplane rule so I looked it up, it's not a law it's the company policies of Quantas, Air New Zealand, and Virgin Australia, and it only applies to unaccompanied children. That's not to minimize this, I think it's a disgusting policy. One man was able to successfully sue British Airways and get them to stop this policy.
When I think of equality between men and women, I simply think that it means everyone is afforded the same opportunity and rights. I don't think it has anything to do with achievements.
I DO get frustrated with certain women, like ones who want a pat on the back for doing a 'man's' job. That's not fair or equal. I do see what you are saying about true equality in this regard. I do see a few other examples like this that show women wanting to not just be equal but treated better than men. While those things bother me, it's not something I feel threatened by. I don't feel it's worth getting worked up over. I dislike a lot of people's attitudes but being angry about it isn't going to change it. It can only affect me as much as I let it.
As far as jobs, I can't agree with you that certain jobs are 'needed' while others aren't.
There are jobs that are directly vital to life but ALL jobs are vital to the economy. Without an economy there'd be nothing, society would literally collapse. Just look at places that have have terrible economies to see what that's like. It's shit!
No worries about the hostility, and I'm not personally attacking you by disagreeing or seeing things differently and I don't take offense and I don't believe you are personally attacking me either. I can see you are passionate about the topic so I understand your frustration.
Is a fireman more important than a burger-flipper?
Your natural instinct may be to say "ABSOLUTELY!! He saves lives and is clearly a vital part of maintaining a society. A fast food worker could not show up to work and no one would DIE over it."
Well, that's simply WRONG. I'll show you why.
The city of Detroit has an unemployment rate of 19.6%, which is ASTOUNDINGLY high. The city cannot afford to operate fully. Half the city is burnt down. The firemen can't come to all calls anymore. Why? Because there's no money in Detroit, because too many people don't have jobs. There's not enough taxes collected to cover basic services, up to and including water, police and firemen. City workers have been cut to a minimum and are working with broken down equipment. It simply doesn't matter WHAT the nature of someone's employment is when it comes to being a valuable part of your society. You're still valuable. The burger-flippers pay the firemen.
There's plenty of manpower in Detroit, however lack of funds creates a standstill and complete, utter DECAY of the city.
It's a collective effort.
No, the specific achievements are not the same, however one cannot exist without the other. No, a food worker can't say he personally put out a fire or rescued anyone but he supported the fire being put out by paying taxes and by spending his money thus letting other businesses profit and paying THEIR taxes, and keeping their employees in a job.
Although some types of support can't be precisely measured like dollars can be, that doesn't make those things insignificant in the least. Much like if you take away financial support, if you take away someone's conveniences, they will not be able to accomplish as much or even accomplish anything, depending.
A lot of the women I know LIKE to support their partners and families. That IS their dream and achievement. Just because they don't care to be in the spotlight doesn't make them leeches. I certainly won't fault anyone for having whatever dream they have. I wouldn't fault a man who is intelligent enough to be a doctor but chose to run an animal shelter because that's his passion. Do you consider that man a waste or a leech? Probably not, and if so that isn't fair.
In closing, I think you are underestimating people's value. People contribute in different ways, all contributions should be highly valued as one supports the other.
The only true 'leeches' in society are people who actually have a NEGATIVE effect. Anyone putting forth anything positive into society, whether it be time, money, care, whatever, is valuable.
Again, you are implying that because someone gives gratitude to a woman, that means she makes it possible for the man to achieve greatness.
Simply because he said that does not mean she is responsible for it. Perhaps he was saying it for gratitude of raising him? There are so many factors to go through, but you would rather believe "If he said something as such, that means the woman is responsible for everything he is or achieved", which is ridiculous.
Then you give me another "you go, girl" statement such as the cradle one. You do this to make females feel in power.
"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world". Someone said it, it must be true, right? Wrong.
The person that makes the cradle, paid for the cradle, and made the cradle possible rules the world, for the cradle is in the world made by the creator of the cradle; man.
Simple soppy quotes do little to rationality.
Just because someone says a woman is great does not make it so. Actions speak louder than words, which is something women will disagree with because words are all they rely on to equal to the greatness of males. They would rather sound equal than be equal.
So hold on, now you are saying that the only success we have is because of female buying power? My God. You're so full of yourself in your self empowering pettyness that you are like a fish out of water. Jumping to any spot to find a point.
So society and civilization just ceased to function or progress before women had buying power?
Do you know how idiotic that is? "See, this group can build, maintain, and do all that we see today. But we rely on women buying things in order for it to be possible, even if women weren't able to before when society was still made, there would be no success without the buying power of women".
Ugh. Really? I am sick of people of you. Women do very little to maintain society or progress it, so you sacrifice rationality for a false sense of equality.
We would have no success without the buying power of women. Get the hell out of here with such a stupid mentality.
"Oh, women aren't buying things anymore, looks like we should just take to the forests. We all know that now women are not buying, our ability to build, produce, power things, invent are gone...".
Stupidity irritates me, so be sure such stupidity does not reach another reply to me, because it was pure chance that I even replied here, as I gave up hope for users on here.
Yes, and who happens to fix those puzzles? Who happened to invent the idea of water systems, houses, roads, and so forth? Men. To this day, when something needs changed in the enviroment of our concrete jungle, it is men that see how we do it, then men that do the work for it.
Yes, a lot of more work is needed for those areas other than the labour of it, and it is also men that do that, as it has always been men that do that.
Again, you are saying this as if these people that do all these jobs are women, in which I will say 'some' are, but the majority are not. If they were, and you knew this, you would of made it known in your reply.
You have muscle, and no, that is not only good for street fights. It is because of muscle that we have what we have now.
Like in war (different situation, same type of example). Tactics are key to win, but without soldiers, the tactic is unable to happen.
Yes, we need brains to make things, but we also need muscle to make it happen, which is why women are flawed in the realm of intelligence in today's progression rate when it comes to advancing.
We have intelligence and strength.
We can think and build.
Women have intelligence.
They can only think, and make small things.
I am pretty sure more women than that are in the workforce, but anyway.
You mistake what is 'needed' with what is 'wanted'.
What is more beneficial, a woman being a secretary, or a man building things, including the thing (building) the secretary needs for her job to even exist? I would mention the scientists, inventors, etc, but you should get the point.
No, not every job is 'needed'. There is a difference between needed and wanted. People working in a cola industry are not 'needed', but people working in construction are 'needed'.
Not every job is needed, and it irritates people that say they are, simply because the jobs that are 'needed' tend to be where males expand more in, and in so, we sacrifice rationality to ensure the female gender feels happy about itself.
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Lastly, I would like to apologize for the parts where I was being aggresive. I have lost patience for people in this site, and that as sadly reflected on my behavior with everyone on here with things I believe are wrong, in which I do not think that maybe they did not reach the same conclusion, etc.
Is it normal to hate working with all one sex?
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Interesting conversation, I must say.
In our modern world, one person or gender cannot take all the credit for building or creating anything. It takes teams of people to make anything happen.
Before the 1800's, no one even knows how many women invented anything as they were not allowed to, so using any example before women were allowed to patent things isn't fair or accurate. There's no way to tell whether a man or woman invented it. Even after that, women were so oppressed so it's still an iffy area.
It takes financial backing, clerical work, permits, legal work, studies, and so forth. DO you even realize how much work goes into deciding and studying whether or not a stop sign or a traffic light is needed?
Yes, one person may come up with an idea, however it's not patented or sold overnight by magic. Many great men credit their mother or wife most of all for their support. Nikola Tesla, arguably one of the greatest inventor of late, got his inventiveness from his mother.
All that I am, or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother. -Abraham Lincoln
My mother was the most beautiful woman I ever saw. All I am I owe to my mother. I attribute all my success in life to the moral, intellectual and physical education I received from her. -George Washington
The hand that rocks the cradle
Is the hand that rules the world.
-W. R. Wallace
Speaking of selling, if you take away the buying power of females, you would have very little or no success.
You speak of building buildings and systems. Yes, mostly men do the physical work, but there's so much other work that gets done in order to do the job. You can't just wake up one day and go build a house or put in a sewer system. Maybe a few hundred years ago you could but not these days. Without one piece of the puzzle, there can be no job done.
Let me explain. I work in a metal shop. I build things. However, I can't build a goddamn thing (to specs) without blueprints, I can't get my materials without going through the supply and purchasing department, and all of this is financed by the company's owners. We have a legal team, we have sales people, accountants and everything else. If one of those jobs wasn't done, no job would get done. I'd have no job if no one bought our products (many of our customers are hospitals and doctors who cater to women's health). I don't fault the fat drafters or the short, weak accountants for doing their jobs just because I'm much bigger and stronger than them. So I'm a buff dude, big deal, that alone doesn't make me greater than anyone else, unless I suppose we're talking about engaging in a street fight.
Women make up about 48% of the US workforce. You can make all the crap you want, but SOMEONE has to buy it, at least about half of those 'someones' are females.
ALL jobs are important. The job doesn't have to be physically demanding, nor does it need to be genius. Most people are not geniuses or physically fit. If everyone was then there'd be no one to do all the little shit jobs behind the scenes that keep everything running.
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Actually, yes they can. Not an individual, but a group.
For example, by what you are saying, humanity cannot take credit for speaking English, French, German, etc, basically any forms of communitcation. As a group, humans have done many things, and so take full credit for the things they are responsible for, the expansion of communication such as vocal communication like English being one of them. So yes, groups can be responsible for something completely.
Did I say women have not helped at all? Ofcourse not, nor will I ever say such a thing. I have said men have done more, and continue to do more because they are capable of more, because they are.
So for teams of people, is a construction force not a 'team' of people? And when they are all men, does that not make that 'team' of people male construction workers? Yes, it does.
Women were opressed? Yes. So how do we reach a conclusion? Simply observe today's world. Women still do little needed in maintaining or progressing humanity as much as males do when women now 'have' rights. So implying women may have done just as much in quantity or quality when they had no rights, yet do very much less when they do have the rights to is just irrational.
Women have rights now, yet we still rely more so on males to maintain and progress humanity because they have done it more. So if women still do not do these things to the same standards as men today when they had their rights, saying they may have done equal when it was difficult for them to do less than equal amounts is just irrational.
The jobs we relied on back then are jobs we rely on now. Infact, the jobs that were needed done back then, still neded done now are far easier due to the advancements of technology, yet women are still nowhere to be seen in the construction indstry. So saying that they did not help because they were not allowed to is just wrong, given that they are allowed to now, even when it is far easier to do now.
I completely dislike the idea of "Women 'might' of done it, so therfor saying males done something great should not be held reliable, it might of been a woman." It is completely rodant behavior.
So let me get this straight. Because someone 'supported' someone while the person was achieving greatness, that equals to them being equally as great for supporting them?
Say if I supported a bum more than this person's mother did, giving them a home, food, water, heat. ALl for nothing. I was supporting him in getting his life together from scracth, getting him clean from habits such as drugs. If I supported that person, and he done nothing great, does that make me great? Even if I done more support than this person's mother? But if I done all that, and he happened to do greatness, then I am responsible for it? So I would only be great if this person became great? Do you know how leech like that sounds? You are describing this woman as a parasite.
Greatness does not get given to you, it is worked for. Yes, the woman may have supported him, that does not make her great. Yes, this man may say he would be nowehere without her, that does not mean the greatness came from her.
Yes, some, very few, but some men may have got their motivations from women, but if it was as simple as "She made it possible", then why did 'she' not do it? Because she lacked what it took to achieve greatness.
Your whole mentality here is that an idea equals to the greatness of achieving that idea. In our more early time of humanity, did people think "One day man will fly?"...? Yes. Does that mean that because they thought of the idea of humanity being able to fly, that they are equal to the people that made aircrafts? No.
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To further comment....
Slavery ended in the US in 1865. However, that didn't mean black people were 'free' and welcomed with open arms.
Segregation didn't end until the 1950's. Even when it 'ended' it didn't really end. It was met with much resistance and there were still grave injustices done to blacks because the attitudes of people carried over with disregard to the law.
The end of slavery and segregation didn't equate to the instant success of blacks.
Black people in the US are very much 'behind' whites in all areas but they are advancing every day.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that modern people can use past oppression as if it were their own experience.
However, what I am saying is that past oppression doesn't vanish instantly once a injustice is rectified legally.
It takes generations to truly lose the attitudes. Many people to this day are still racist and still beat women, and still want their wife to stay home. Many men are adamant about not working alongside women in industrial 'manly' jobs. While by law they may have to, that doesn't mean they are nice to the woman or make her time at the job easy. I've personally seen men torture women right out of the job. Perfectly capable women, but the workplace was so hostile that they couldn't take it.
Women asking for equality doesn't mean they personally want to do a certain job or participate, they simply want everyone to have the option. Option doesn't equal obligation. People have the right to choose whatever profession or role they want.
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I think it is a completely different case when comparing how women are treated and how males are treated after it is illegal after oppression. We now put women before most, even before children.
Regardless of the fact that more women than men are in the education system, we still try encourage women to go in to education instead of men.
When it comes to rape and assault, males are likely to be arrested even if 'they' phoned for protection against a female abuser.
Rape allegations, false ones, have made many victim males.
Do you know it is against the law for males to sit next to children on airplanes?
Yes, some males do believe this, which is sexist, but it is in no way as bad as the negative treatment males now are facing.
It seems the further males allow females to be treated equally, the more females and feminists try to opress males. Do you believe that is fair? No, especially when they are doing it to the group that has done most of which we benefit from today.
So in the case of legal activity, females are in no way victimized as much as males. Don't even get me started on how three older females were caught on video forcefully stripping a younger boy, caught on camera, and still not charged with anything. Imagine the genders reversed.
Yes, people should be allowed to choose what career they want 'equally'. If they refuse to make the choice to do the jobs 'needed', then they are not equally helpful.
Having equal choice and being equal are two things.
If you have equal choice, then don't make the choice to do the equal 'needed' work, then you can't expect to be seen as equal.
We live in a world where women are allowed to say they are equal without proving it.
If women want to be seen as the equal gender, then they have to use their equal choices to do equal work, otherwise they are not equal.
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I completely agree with you that men are treated unfairly in legal matters more often than women. However, it WAS worse, it's getting better. Much better.
I didn't know about the airplane rule so I looked it up, it's not a law it's the company policies of Quantas, Air New Zealand, and Virgin Australia, and it only applies to unaccompanied children. That's not to minimize this, I think it's a disgusting policy. One man was able to successfully sue British Airways and get them to stop this policy.
When I think of equality between men and women, I simply think that it means everyone is afforded the same opportunity and rights. I don't think it has anything to do with achievements.
I DO get frustrated with certain women, like ones who want a pat on the back for doing a 'man's' job. That's not fair or equal. I do see what you are saying about true equality in this regard. I do see a few other examples like this that show women wanting to not just be equal but treated better than men. While those things bother me, it's not something I feel threatened by. I don't feel it's worth getting worked up over. I dislike a lot of people's attitudes but being angry about it isn't going to change it. It can only affect me as much as I let it.
As far as jobs, I can't agree with you that certain jobs are 'needed' while others aren't.
There are jobs that are directly vital to life but ALL jobs are vital to the economy. Without an economy there'd be nothing, society would literally collapse. Just look at places that have have terrible economies to see what that's like. It's shit!
No worries about the hostility, and I'm not personally attacking you by disagreeing or seeing things differently and I don't take offense and I don't believe you are personally attacking me either. I can see you are passionate about the topic so I understand your frustration.
There's value in what everyone does.
Is a fireman more important than a burger-flipper?
Your natural instinct may be to say "ABSOLUTELY!! He saves lives and is clearly a vital part of maintaining a society. A fast food worker could not show up to work and no one would DIE over it."
Well, that's simply WRONG. I'll show you why.
The city of Detroit has an unemployment rate of 19.6%, which is ASTOUNDINGLY high. The city cannot afford to operate fully. Half the city is burnt down. The firemen can't come to all calls anymore. Why? Because there's no money in Detroit, because too many people don't have jobs. There's not enough taxes collected to cover basic services, up to and including water, police and firemen. City workers have been cut to a minimum and are working with broken down equipment. It simply doesn't matter WHAT the nature of someone's employment is when it comes to being a valuable part of your society. You're still valuable. The burger-flippers pay the firemen.
There's plenty of manpower in Detroit, however lack of funds creates a standstill and complete, utter DECAY of the city.
It's a collective effort.
No, the specific achievements are not the same, however one cannot exist without the other. No, a food worker can't say he personally put out a fire or rescued anyone but he supported the fire being put out by paying taxes and by spending his money thus letting other businesses profit and paying THEIR taxes, and keeping their employees in a job.
Although some types of support can't be precisely measured like dollars can be, that doesn't make those things insignificant in the least. Much like if you take away financial support, if you take away someone's conveniences, they will not be able to accomplish as much or even accomplish anything, depending.
A lot of the women I know LIKE to support their partners and families. That IS their dream and achievement. Just because they don't care to be in the spotlight doesn't make them leeches. I certainly won't fault anyone for having whatever dream they have. I wouldn't fault a man who is intelligent enough to be a doctor but chose to run an animal shelter because that's his passion. Do you consider that man a waste or a leech? Probably not, and if so that isn't fair.
In closing, I think you are underestimating people's value. People contribute in different ways, all contributions should be highly valued as one supports the other.
The only true 'leeches' in society are people who actually have a NEGATIVE effect. Anyone putting forth anything positive into society, whether it be time, money, care, whatever, is valuable.
Again, you are implying that because someone gives gratitude to a woman, that means she makes it possible for the man to achieve greatness.
Simply because he said that does not mean she is responsible for it. Perhaps he was saying it for gratitude of raising him? There are so many factors to go through, but you would rather believe "If he said something as such, that means the woman is responsible for everything he is or achieved", which is ridiculous.
Then you give me another "you go, girl" statement such as the cradle one. You do this to make females feel in power.
"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world". Someone said it, it must be true, right? Wrong.
The person that makes the cradle, paid for the cradle, and made the cradle possible rules the world, for the cradle is in the world made by the creator of the cradle; man.
Simple soppy quotes do little to rationality.
Just because someone says a woman is great does not make it so. Actions speak louder than words, which is something women will disagree with because words are all they rely on to equal to the greatness of males. They would rather sound equal than be equal.
So hold on, now you are saying that the only success we have is because of female buying power? My God. You're so full of yourself in your self empowering pettyness that you are like a fish out of water. Jumping to any spot to find a point.
So society and civilization just ceased to function or progress before women had buying power?
Do you know how idiotic that is? "See, this group can build, maintain, and do all that we see today. But we rely on women buying things in order for it to be possible, even if women weren't able to before when society was still made, there would be no success without the buying power of women".
Ugh. Really? I am sick of people of you. Women do very little to maintain society or progress it, so you sacrifice rationality for a false sense of equality.
We would have no success without the buying power of women. Get the hell out of here with such a stupid mentality.
"Oh, women aren't buying things anymore, looks like we should just take to the forests. We all know that now women are not buying, our ability to build, produce, power things, invent are gone...".
Stupidity irritates me, so be sure such stupidity does not reach another reply to me, because it was pure chance that I even replied here, as I gave up hope for users on here.
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Yes, and who happens to fix those puzzles? Who happened to invent the idea of water systems, houses, roads, and so forth? Men. To this day, when something needs changed in the enviroment of our concrete jungle, it is men that see how we do it, then men that do the work for it.
Yes, a lot of more work is needed for those areas other than the labour of it, and it is also men that do that, as it has always been men that do that.
Again, you are saying this as if these people that do all these jobs are women, in which I will say 'some' are, but the majority are not. If they were, and you knew this, you would of made it known in your reply.
You have muscle, and no, that is not only good for street fights. It is because of muscle that we have what we have now.
Like in war (different situation, same type of example). Tactics are key to win, but without soldiers, the tactic is unable to happen.
Yes, we need brains to make things, but we also need muscle to make it happen, which is why women are flawed in the realm of intelligence in today's progression rate when it comes to advancing.
We have intelligence and strength.
We can think and build.
Women have intelligence.
They can only think, and make small things.
I am pretty sure more women than that are in the workforce, but anyway.
You mistake what is 'needed' with what is 'wanted'.
What is more beneficial, a woman being a secretary, or a man building things, including the thing (building) the secretary needs for her job to even exist? I would mention the scientists, inventors, etc, but you should get the point.
No, not every job is 'needed'. There is a difference between needed and wanted. People working in a cola industry are not 'needed', but people working in construction are 'needed'.
Not every job is needed, and it irritates people that say they are, simply because the jobs that are 'needed' tend to be where males expand more in, and in so, we sacrifice rationality to ensure the female gender feels happy about itself.
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Lastly, I would like to apologize for the parts where I was being aggresive. I have lost patience for people in this site, and that as sadly reflected on my behavior with everyone on here with things I believe are wrong, in which I do not think that maybe they did not reach the same conclusion, etc.