Many feminists are pro censorship and call for sex negative censorship in particular so that would necessarily lead to females having less opportunities of performance, modelling, etc.
Also feminism has definitely had an effect on lobbying for stricter laws and the outlawing of prostitution. Whatever my personal feelings on it, that does limit a women's ability to decide who she has sex with and what reason she wants to have sex. It also harms and endangers those who are already at the bottom rungs of society. Frankly the feminists have been particularly awful to the women who needed help the most in this matter.
Many abortion laws were originally supported by the feminist movement and while they have moved away from that now that was a limit placed on women's freedoms heavily lobbied for by feminists. Getting laws entrenched is easier than their repeal after all. I know it is a divisive issue but it is a limit to freedom regardless of a person's views on it.
I know in Europe there has been a serious push by feminist groups to make anti-feminist speech a punishable offence. They are particularly pushing for this in the Nordic countries. That would limit women's freedom if they did not agree with feminist principles.
Those are the ones I can think of but there would be others. Feminism is normally a pretty authoritarian ideology the relies on massive state power to achieve its aims.
If I were a women I would probably feel a debt of gratitude to feminists. If it weren’t for them women wouldn’t have the right to vote and wouldn’t be in the workforce. They’d be home in the kitchen financially dependent on men.
Pimps make the choices for their whores and the sex isn't for the benefit of the woman.
Relying on massive state power to achieve its aims? I guess in a male dominated society there need to be laws to defend equal rights. Even today women still make less for the same work.
As for your other statements, it seems like you have your info backwards.
"If I were a women I would probably feel a debt of gratitude to feminists."
That is a cartoon worldview though. None of the feminists active today were active when those things were an issue. You don't have to support a social movement today because in the past it was useful, also you can accept that some of the objectives were legitimate without having to accept every part of the movement.
As an example I accept that Irish Catholics in North Ireland previously needed better civil rights but that doesn't mean I support the provisional IRA. Do you propose Irish Catholics should be thankful for them?
Note: Early feminists did use terrorism, though not to as great a level, so the comparison isn't as out there as it sounds.
"Pimps make the choices for their whores and the sex isn't for the benefit of the woman."
Yes when things are illegal then criminals control the trade. Prostitution is legal where I am right now, do you think anyone working a legal job gives their money to some nasty guy? If there was a pimp these prostitutes would just call the police.
"Even today women still make less for the same work."
They don't in America. When controlled for like work the department of labor found the difference was 3% between men and women. This 3% was thought to be due to the greater overtime worked by men.
Feminists mislead people by using aggregate figures. Aggregate figures are useless in some matters, in administrative support female aggregate earnings beat male aggregate earnings by over 400%. Would you feel that this is a sign men are massively discriminated against in that field? I wouldn't.
"Relying on massive state power to achieve its aims? I guess in a male dominated society there need to be laws to defend equal rights."
The problem happens when feminists believe they have a right to not be offended. Also a group that approaches an issue from a singular POV cannot know what equal rights is.
"As for your other statements, it seems like you have your info backwards."
Is it normal to hate females so much that I am embarressed to be one?
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Many feminists are pro censorship and call for sex negative censorship in particular so that would necessarily lead to females having less opportunities of performance, modelling, etc.
Also feminism has definitely had an effect on lobbying for stricter laws and the outlawing of prostitution. Whatever my personal feelings on it, that does limit a women's ability to decide who she has sex with and what reason she wants to have sex. It also harms and endangers those who are already at the bottom rungs of society. Frankly the feminists have been particularly awful to the women who needed help the most in this matter.
Many abortion laws were originally supported by the feminist movement and while they have moved away from that now that was a limit placed on women's freedoms heavily lobbied for by feminists. Getting laws entrenched is easier than their repeal after all. I know it is a divisive issue but it is a limit to freedom regardless of a person's views on it.
I know in Europe there has been a serious push by feminist groups to make anti-feminist speech a punishable offence. They are particularly pushing for this in the Nordic countries. That would limit women's freedom if they did not agree with feminist principles.
Those are the ones I can think of but there would be others. Feminism is normally a pretty authoritarian ideology the relies on massive state power to achieve its aims.
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No. Your question just got me thinking.
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If I were a women I would probably feel a debt of gratitude to feminists. If it weren’t for them women wouldn’t have the right to vote and wouldn’t be in the workforce. They’d be home in the kitchen financially dependent on men.
Pimps make the choices for their whores and the sex isn't for the benefit of the woman.
Relying on massive state power to achieve its aims? I guess in a male dominated society there need to be laws to defend equal rights. Even today women still make less for the same work.
As for your other statements, it seems like you have your info backwards.
Just an objective view from a guy.
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"If I were a women I would probably feel a debt of gratitude to feminists."
That is a cartoon worldview though. None of the feminists active today were active when those things were an issue. You don't have to support a social movement today because in the past it was useful, also you can accept that some of the objectives were legitimate without having to accept every part of the movement.
As an example I accept that Irish Catholics in North Ireland previously needed better civil rights but that doesn't mean I support the provisional IRA. Do you propose Irish Catholics should be thankful for them?
Note: Early feminists did use terrorism, though not to as great a level, so the comparison isn't as out there as it sounds.
"Pimps make the choices for their whores and the sex isn't for the benefit of the woman."
Yes when things are illegal then criminals control the trade. Prostitution is legal where I am right now, do you think anyone working a legal job gives their money to some nasty guy? If there was a pimp these prostitutes would just call the police.
"Even today women still make less for the same work."
They don't in America. When controlled for like work the department of labor found the difference was 3% between men and women. This 3% was thought to be due to the greater overtime worked by men.
Feminists mislead people by using aggregate figures. Aggregate figures are useless in some matters, in administrative support female aggregate earnings beat male aggregate earnings by over 400%. Would you feel that this is a sign men are massively discriminated against in that field? I wouldn't.
"Relying on massive state power to achieve its aims? I guess in a male dominated society there need to be laws to defend equal rights."
The problem happens when feminists believe they have a right to not be offended. Also a group that approaches an issue from a singular POV cannot know what equal rights is.
"As for your other statements, it seems like you have your info backwards."
That isn't much of an argument...