Descartes did the same thing. He reconstructed the world using only proofs and doubted every single aspect of life including the existence of
the outer world itself without having a proof for it. He started only from assuming that he exists, considering his own thinking as a proof of self-existence. Then the rest of the world is debated and certain aspects are proven to exist with no doubt, while the rest is excluded. This seems to stick with your assumptions and can help you develop your system of certainties.
Well they aren't my assumptions. One cannot view the world without filtering it through themselves. Even if an outside world exists, I can only view it through my lenses which changes the perception and therefore object.
I don't know what Descartes goal was but to start with the assumption that he existed was probably foolish.
Thanks tho. My point to the O.P is that cognative dissonance is quite natural and normal.
What makes you think that you can truly isolate "I" and "world"? You say your view of the world is filtered through yourself, were you not molded by the world?
Do you think that everything you believe is something that can be proven?
Descartes argument of existence is not foolish and it is not an assumption, it is a proved fact. You have to read if you insist on judging him, since he is one of the greatest scientists of all time and elaborated a system of thinking which revolutionized the world. I am personally following his exact methodology and philosophy and I replaced religion and any other assumptions given by the society with his rationality. On short, his work made me a Mathematician and gave me a strong vision upon life. So I will defend him at all costs.
That is incorrect. And actually Descartes proved exactly this. Pls stop arguing against things that aren't true. You already attacked an assumption of existence that does not exist. He have a PROOF for existence, the assumption of thinking. Either read it or don't argue against it specifically. I accept other views, but I don't like judging something before knowing bout it.
You may or may not know this but I posited on this site that the singularity was reaches around 2007. From my own coding I can tell you that the first thing A.I will do is doubt. Is your argument that we are A.I??
Obviously you didn't believe me when I stated that I am not even sure an outside reality exists. No need to argue things are facts with me because I don't believe in an abject reality. I truelly don't so you would just get frustrated.
I did not give an opinion on that. I don't even want to because I don't have an answer either. I did not argue about that. I just said Descartes' reasoning is not foolish, and that's because he didn't start with that assumption, as you thought. I don't argue with things like this since it doesn't work that way. Nobody wins in arguments of this type over the internet.
I know and I appreaciate it. I enjoy you on this subject actually. As long as you don't put words in my mouth. Cogito ergo sum is the only thing I believe foolish is what I said. I enjoy his deliberations.
IIN to get like a sensation that life isn't real
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Descartes did the same thing. He reconstructed the world using only proofs and doubted every single aspect of life including the existence of
the outer world itself without having a proof for it. He started only from assuming that he exists, considering his own thinking as a proof of self-existence. Then the rest of the world is debated and certain aspects are proven to exist with no doubt, while the rest is excluded. This seems to stick with your assumptions and can help you develop your system of certainties.
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Like to know something of certainty first you have to doubt everything you know
Well they aren't my assumptions. One cannot view the world without filtering it through themselves. Even if an outside world exists, I can only view it through my lenses which changes the perception and therefore object.
I don't know what Descartes goal was but to start with the assumption that he existed was probably foolish.
Thanks tho. My point to the O.P is that cognative dissonance is quite natural and normal.
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What makes you think that you can truly isolate "I" and "world"? You say your view of the world is filtered through yourself, were you not molded by the world?
Do you think that everything you believe is something that can be proven?
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Well for the sake of communication we have to use pronouns right? There is supposedly nothing seperating all that exists.
As far as things being proven, no, I believe all is subjective to an observer and have stated that, which is why I said "facts" don't really exist.
Scary propositions for sure.
Descartes argument of existence is not foolish and it is not an assumption, it is a proved fact. You have to read if you insist on judging him, since he is one of the greatest scientists of all time and elaborated a system of thinking which revolutionized the world. I am personally following his exact methodology and philosophy and I replaced religion and any other assumptions given by the society with his rationality. On short, his work made me a Mathematician and gave me a strong vision upon life. So I will defend him at all costs.
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I have read it. You should look into AI theory, because it is widely believe AI's will believe they also exist.
Step out of your notebooks because science always changes. There are no facts.
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That is incorrect. And actually Descartes proved exactly this. Pls stop arguing against things that aren't true. You already attacked an assumption of existence that does not exist. He have a PROOF for existence, the assumption of thinking. Either read it or don't argue against it specifically. I accept other views, but I don't like judging something before knowing bout it.
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You may or may not know this but I posited on this site that the singularity was reaches around 2007. From my own coding I can tell you that the first thing A.I will do is doubt. Is your argument that we are A.I??
See my other comment. Rudimentary understanding of A.I conclused he was indeed proven wrong in that assumption.
Btw I stated that starting with the assumption he existed was somewhat foolish. Not the excercise itself.
Obviously you didn't believe me when I stated that I am not even sure an outside reality exists. No need to argue things are facts with me because I don't believe in an abject reality. I truelly don't so you would just get frustrated.
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I did not give an opinion on that. I don't even want to because I don't have an answer either. I did not argue about that. I just said Descartes' reasoning is not foolish, and that's because he didn't start with that assumption, as you thought. I don't argue with things like this since it doesn't work that way. Nobody wins in arguments of this type over the internet.
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I know and I appreaciate it. I enjoy you on this subject actually. As long as you don't put words in my mouth. Cogito ergo sum is the only thing I believe foolish is what I said. I enjoy his deliberations.